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We could apply Occam's Razor here.

But be careful, the plastic resin is soft.
I saw an unboxing and they said that it would be easy to cut too deep.

I believe ive gotten some of these from Forgeworld, ordered a Hvy wep team DKoK and they look very similar to this.

The other teams i got were nothing like this, like normal forgeworld models.

There was no mold release on them at all either.

This is straight from the GW website, about the Skull Taker model from last page. . .

"Bubbles: Sometimes you will see small bubbles on the surface of Citadel Finecast models. These are easy filled with a dab of Super Glue or, if small enough, will disappear when you undercoat the model."

Nice. . .

They have NEVER produced models which were always 100% perfect. Why should they be able to do so in resin?

Then perhaps they shouldn't hype the gak out of the new models and all but come out and tell us that they're fething perfect?! No wonder people are upset and had high expectations, GW gave us those expectations by saying gak like:

"There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world"

It's their own damn fault.

Then perhaps they shouldn't hype the gak out of the new models and all but come out and tell us that they're fething perfect?! No wonder people are upset and had high expectations, GW gave us those expectations by saying gak like:

"There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world"

It's their own damn fault.

Is this the same Sidstyler that posted like mad back at the good o' days at Tau Online?

lol, yeah probably. That won't always be the case though because I've found the name is more popular than I thought, it gets taken a lot on most websites.

I kinda moved to Dakka not long after the site got messed up. Tried posting on the new one for a while but it wasn't the same.

Adding to the general comments ... yeah. I was in my LGS today, and I noticed they had some of the new Fine Cast minis for sale. On a lark, I bought the Lelith mini and brought it home to compare against a metal one I bought a month or so ago. Basically, the detail is mushy, there is a lot of flash to contend with and (as I had expected from the start) bubbles ... lots and lots of bubbles. I've uploaded images showing a side by side comparison. The minis are both straight out of the blister with no clean up. In image 2 I've highlighted spots where details are almost entirely missing. In short, this is in no way an improvement over the metal.

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necron2.0 wrote:Adding to the general comments ... yeah. I was in my LGS today, and I noticed they had some of the new Fine Cast minis for sale. On a lark, I bought the Lelith mini and brought it home to compare against a metal one I bought a month or so ago. Basically, the detail is mushy, there is a lot of flash to contend with and (as I had expected from the start) bubbles ... lots and lots of bubbles. I've uploaded images showing a side by side comparison. The minis are both straight out of the blister with no clean up. In image 2 I've highlighted spots where details are almost entirely missing. In short, this is in no way an improvement over the metal.

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Thank you for the review :')

Sidstyler wrote:

They have NEVER produced models which were always 100% perfect. Why should they be able to do so in resin?

Then perhaps they shouldn't hype the gak out of the new models and all but come out and tell us that they're fething perfect?! No wonder people are upset and had high expectations, GW gave us those expectations by saying gak like:

"There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world"

It's their own damn fault.

I'm guessing by that quote they mean crappy quality at a large scale.

Rymafyr wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Perhaps because nobody ever actually takes a storm bolter on that unit in game? I honestly didn't even know the kit came with one until now.

Why does this matter? It's part of the kit so regardless it should be a good cast. Am I to assume then I don't deserve to have a few extra well molded bits for conversions because it's not ever used on the unit it came with? I find it ludicrous that the apologists are vehemently attacking the OP yet they are 'holding judgement' on finecast because they don't want to waste their 'energy' being negative towards GW?!? Number of posts shouldn't dictate/validate a persons' opinion and for the OP he gave a pretty even handed review while overall pointing out both flaws and benefits.

I'm not trying to justify the errors in the model, I'm trying to explain why the reviewer might not have noticed the miscast at first. I agree that GW should cast their models correctly, even for unpopular options, but I can see why the reviewer might not have noticed that on first glance, since it's a relatively obscure bit in that kit.

Hmmm
the spikes have become blunted, and are now more like buttons on the smaller ones.

I am not very familair with casting techniques other than from what people say on Dakka. But am wondering if there is insufficient pressure ?

The Lilleith figure should be pretty good given that the DE were only released 6 months ago

GWr wrote:"There are no other miniatures that exist of this quality and manufactured on this scale in the world"

They never said that 'this quality' was good. Being the only mass producer of a lower quality miniature is not something to brag about...

In all honesty, we probably haven't seen enough yet to dismiss the entire line. No quality control process checks every single model - more like one in every hundred. The QC people also probably aren't die-hard hobbyists, are getting paid minimum wage and don't want to use a microscope to determine flaws.
I wouldn't worry about flash or vents or mould lines; there may be more, but I bet you'll spend less time removing them that you do for metal simply because resin is softer.

Not that any of that is an excuse, considering the price hike and the claims of being the best miniatures maker in the world. The number of minis used that GW is using as advertising which have defects is worrying. That huge bubble on the storm bolter should never have happened and (having some small experience in resin casting) if a bubble that big happens once you can guarantee that it will happen again. Whilst I do think that GW's models are far more highly detailed than offerings by many other companies, if they advertise as a premium product I should NOT have to deal with miscasts in any way, shape or form.

Sidstyler wrote:

lol, yeah probably. That won't always be the case though because I've found the name is more popular than I thought, it gets taken a lot on most websites.

I kinda moved to Dakka not long after the site got messed up. Tried posting on the new one for a while but it wasn't the same.

Agreed. Did an article over there, then got severely ill and when I returned it had fragmented to what it is now. Checked out a few other "cough" premier "cough" sites, got disgusted with them and finally wound up here.

I think I'm going to see if I can get some left over sprues so I can run some tests on it. My concern is the material itself and what are its true strengths and weaknesses.

Bty Good to see you again.

Here is a problem i forsee in the resin future.

You know how GW say they bend very easily? What happens when they bend during army case transports?

Wont paint fall off? as far as i know acrylic paints doesnt flex to bending...

half a storm bolter, Bubbles on the ammo belt and bubbles on the staff?


Fu%* this stuff. Not worth the price rise

Acrylic tends to be more flexible oils or enamels.
But if it is not as flexible as the resin it may well crack and flake off.

It also depends on how well the polymers bond with the surface. They are saying a primer is not needed so it may be okay. In fact am wondering now how flexible the primer would be and it maybe better not to prime!

only time and experience will tell. Which is of no comfort if your super paint job starts falling off.

Would be good if one of the guys with the Finecast would do some tests on the sprues to see please.
Primed and unprimed
Also interesting thatthey say you don't need to wash. (the resin, gamers please not that washing IS compulsory)
Raging Heroes also made the same claim so that may be the case.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Acrylic tends to be more flexible oils or enamels.
But if it is not as flexible as the resin it may well crack and flake off.

It also depends on how well the polymers bond with the surface. They are saying a primer is not needed so it may be okay. In fact am wondering now how flexible the primer would be and it maybe better not to prime!

I'd honestly be less worried about the paint and more worried about any varnish you apply.

evilsponge wrote:

thebadabwar wrote:

thebadabwar wrote:I just picked up a Finecast Hive Tyrant and a Zoanthrope. I guess my FLGS did not get the memo about the release date. All I can tell you is that these are just lovely! Great details on both, zero flashing on the Zoanthrope, some minor mould lines. I was worried about the boxed Tyrant, since I could not see inside, but it is just fine. Just minor flashing around the very small spikes, all other pieces flash free. All the sprues are straight. I could not see any bubbles or imperfections. I will take a closer look later tonight when I get home. I am so happy with these.

Update:

There is a 1mm mould shift on the sprue with the Tyrant’s head and all those pieces are messed up, especially the head. ARGH!!! We’ll see if customer service is open tomorrow and what their response will be. The Zoanthrope is perfect on all accounts.

Post some pics if you can, I know I'd be interested in looking at them

Here is the messed up head, see the line on his tongue and the back of his head?

and the Tyrant:

I really don't like what I'm seeing. That Lelith model looks pretty inferior in comparison to the metal, the spikes look more like buttons as it was pointed out, and if I'm not mistaken the tip of one of the blades is even chipped off?

The thing that bothers me about these Finecast's..... is my resin casts look to me more well done then these done by a professional company....

Kanluwen wrote:

Delephont wrote:

Kanluwen wrote: I wouldn't accept subpar manufacturing from a car company because [i]subpar automobiles can cause accidents which kill people

no, you have saftey critical systems on a car, but you also have systems which are not safety critical like your I.C.E (In Car Entertainment) things like Screens in your rear head rests which don't display, or excess noise on your audio system becuase of EMC (Electro Magnetic Compatibility) issues.....these things won't kill you, but they will piss you off.

I'd put these in the same category as me trying to get a replacement part or the like from GW directly(my LGS doesn't stock metals, and it takes the same amount of time for them to get their shipment as it does for me to buck the feth up and file a bit of flash away, then resculpt it).

In both cases, there's people you can talk to and get things fixed. To pretend that because your I.C.E. won't function correctly there's no choice but a replacement car(which in some cases might be true) is the same as a single miscast piece on a sprue is ridiculous.

Further to your point. While I have certainly read that "miniatures come unpainted and require assembly" i don't believe I've ever read, anywhere that I would need to resculpt my miniature....would you care to cite where you have read this and provide proof. I will humbly stand corrected if you can, seriously.

You and I both know damned well that they haven't said that you'd need to "resculpt your miniature", just like none of these "HIDEOUS MISCASTS" would actually require someone to sculpt the entire miniature again. Overreact more please.

Ahh, the age old question....why do I bother? You know what, thank you for stating that I'm overreacting....you're absolutely right, I am.....I'm not even purchasing GW products anymore, so what do I care if people like you defend their crap quality and allow GW to prosper....go ahead, keep spending the Dollars dude, have at it.

As far as doing you the courtesy of answering your point, I believe that the car and miniature example are relative to one another, both are products that hold a certain amount of expectation from their customers, when those expectations are not met, people have a right to complain or ask for a replacement.....not get their hands dirty fixing the problem themselves.

Now even a GW apologists like you can understand that very simple point. Now, you can respond to this, if you feel it necessary to do so, but I woun't be responding back, as I'm pretty bored with this round-about conversation, with the same people saying the same thing they always say in a thread of this type.

Good-bye

Grim Smasha wrote:

Sarius wrote:About whoever said they probably "cherry-picked" the best model for their finecast articles on the website,.. anyone else notice this?



A rather big hole... I've got a skulltaker next to me (metal) and it's meant to be solid...

I'm kinda worried about this new material.

Did you notice the broken spine piece between his fingers, and the air pots along the cape edging. . . Oh, gah, and the damage to the trophy skull on his right hip?

Not only that but I can see at least one more hole, 4 o'clock from the one that is circled, and it looks like there's a hole next to the right thumb of the person holding the fig on the hem of the cloak.

Not really impressed at all. What bothers me is I'm going to be forced to buy this stuff when the new Necron codex comes out to get the new figs that are included in the codex.

@Delephont

Why would GW hire people to quality check their product lines when they can have GW apologist telling the complaining customers to ***** off for free?

Thats what i hate about GW fan boys. Its not just the audacity of what they say, but they help prolong GW's shameless actions.

These finecast miniatures are really, really disappointing. Thanks to everyone who posted pictures. It was informative.

To be perfectly honest, I think in 3 months time the Finecasts will be awesome. As of now, I think quality control has some tweaking to do.

Sweet! Lawrence has done a review of finecast models!

Just looked at the list of models on the website that they finally fixed. I, for one, welcome our new Finecast overlords. The only model I want is the Nurgle Daemon Prince, and it really doesn't matter if it is miscast, who would be able to tell with something Nurgle anyways? Bravo GW, you did me good on this one and it only went up .50 USD.

But I shall return to slagging the rest of the line in due time.

Goddard wrote:To be perfectly honest, I think in 3 months time the Finecasts will be awesome. As of now, I think quality control has some tweaking to do.

Till then, if i decide to purchase any, I will be opening any blisters/boxes at the counter before I pay for them.