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HQ: 73 points
Shas'el, TL-Missile Pod, Target Lock,

Elites: 496 points
2 Crisis Suits, Multi-tracker, Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod
3 Crisis Suits, Multi-tracker, Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod
3 Crisis Suits, Multi-tracker, Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod

Troops: 760 points
6 Fire Warriors
20 Kroot
20 Kroot
20 Kroot
20 Kroot
20 Kroot

Heavy Support: 669 points
3 Broadsides, 2 Target Lock, 1 Blacksun filter
3 Broadsides, 2 Target Lock, 1 Blacksun filter
3 Broadsides, 2 Target Lock, 1 Blacksun filter

Total Points: 1998
Total Models: 124
Total Scoring: 6
Total Kill Points: 13

A lot of scoring units, decent decent against horde, relatively average kill points, and arguably one of the best anti-mech or MSU vehicle army (9 broadsides that can shoot at 9 different targets). What do you guys think?

Edit: making the list more legit

Don't all Broadsides have to have a Support System? I don't have my book on me though, maybe its just an assumption I've always had.

I imagine utilizing that many Kroot will take a bit of practice, mainly just to avoid multiple assaults. Could work though, but I'm more inclined to take minimal kroot with as many hounds as possible for the I difference.

I'm not sure about Fireknives here. Personally I only take elite Fireknives if I have Pathfinders as well, BS3 on suits makes me uncomfortable. Deathrains in non-Marker lists, Fireknives in Marker lists. Thats just me though, you really do need the Plasma in this list however.

I was about to link you to Jy2's battle report for some reference on such a list, then I realised you were the opponent!

Nonetheless, I think it looks pretty solid, although I'd recommend getting a shaper and some hounds on the kroot, as punch and leadership were problems in that battle.

Creeping Dementia wrote:Don't all Broadsides have to have a Support System? I don't have my book on me though, maybe its just an assumption I've always had.

I imagine utilizing that many Kroot will take a bit of practice, mainly just to avoid multiple assaults. Could work though, but I'm more inclined to take minimal kroot with as many hounds as possible for the I difference.

I'm not sure about Fireknives here. Personally I only take elite Fireknives if I have Pathfinders as well, BS3 on suits makes me uncomfortable. Deathrains in non-Marker lists, Fireknives in Marker lists. Thats just me though, you really do need the Plasma in this list however.

Oh yeah!

Hmm, I guess I could switch the commander to Deathrain and use the remaining points for for the upgrades.

List has been edited.

@Just Dave

Yeah, even though they underperformed in that game, they did a good job protecting my firebase.

I actually count on the Kroots running from combat so that I can finish off the unit that assaulted them with more shooting. Although having a Kroot Hound will make it easier for them to break off.

Looks mean. I would probably drop some Kroot to take some Pirahnas for vehicle blocking, but otherwise nice. Also I'm not sure why the Shas'el has a Target Lock despite only having one weapon, surely a Blacksun Filter or a Flamer would be better?

On a very related matter however, I was under the impression that Target Locks didn't actually do anything in 5th edition? I've looked at the Tau FAQ and discussions on the board and there doesn't seem to be a clear answer other than "make it a house rule". Not trying to start a rules discussion or anything, but I would be hesitant to post a list that requires house rules to work properly. Your thoughts on this?

Like the Idea and see taking the minimums +1 units. I don't know if this is based on models you have or just a fun list, but i would say try and fit some kroot hounds in units to gain that initiative 5 for combat.

unbeliever87 wrote:On a very related matter however, I was under the impression that Target Locks didn't actually do anything in 5th edition? I've looked at the Tau FAQ and discussions on the board and there doesn't seem to be a clear answer other than "make it a house rule". Not trying to start a rules discussion or anything, but I would be hesitant to post a list that requires house rules to work properly. Your thoughts on this?

Target Lock rules state that a model in a unit with this upgrade can target a separate enemy unit from the one engaged by the rest of its unit. Prior to 5th the unit would take 1 Target Priority test and if passed the model may fire separate from its unit. If failed the model fires into the unit engaged by the unit. Now 5th edition has been released all target priority portions of rules are nullified. Meaning Target Lock still allows a model to fire separate form its unit, but no priority test is required. Shots are declared and rolls are taken together.

Another interpretation would say that because you can never take the Target Priority test, you can never 'pass' it. It's permissive piece of wargear that states you must pass A to do B, not, you can do B unless you fail A.

There's been pages of YMDC discussion about this, no need for us to rehash it over again. I'm just expressing my concern in promoting a list that requires a houserule (ruled either way) to function.

Target Priority was FAQ'ed to be ignored along with all references to to target priority tests, It seems to be pretty clear...

unbeliever87 wrote:Another interpretation would say that because you can never take the Target Priority test, you can never 'pass' it. It's permissive piece of wargear that states you must pass A to do B, not, you can do B unless you fail A.

There's been pages of YMDC discussion about this, no need for us to rehash it over again. I'm just expressing my concern in promoting a list that requires a houserule (ruled either way) to function.

Seriously, have you even read the FAQ?

Under the section "AMENDMENTS":

"Various - Target Priority

Ignore all references to Target Priority and Target Priority tests."

Perhaps the threads you've been reading are out-dated. It's pretty clear in the FAQ that we ignore Target Priority. That doesn't change how Target Locks can fire at a separate unit. In any case, FAQ > non-official.