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Ah, an update from GW regarding GMCs and shooting (from reddit):

http://i.imgur.com/hy5nXE3.png

Seems like GW will launch FAQs in the future!

Wulfson_40K wrote:
Hi and pleased to join you during these Tau releases.

Following info was posted on Warseer by Archibald_TK. So before one of the mods there goes berserk and burns everything because there are points displayed I'm copying it in a safe place, namely here:

- Commander (apparently with a drone) - 40€, 30£, 50$
- Crisis Battelsuits (3 suits + 6 drones) - 60€, 45£, 75$
- Drones (2 drones) - 9€, 7.7£, 12$
- Warzone Damocles: Kauyon (campaign book) - 60€, 45£, 74$
- Codex Tau (128p) - 39€, 30£, 49.5$
- Tau cards, Raven Guard! cards, also White Scars cards!! for some reason - each 10.5€, 8£, 13.5$

So the crisis commander went from $42 to $50 with the switch to a cheaper material? Remember when Gw used to pass some if the lifetime model production cost savings down to the consumer years ago with switches to plastic? The good old days...but hey I guess we get a drone and some extra dohickies. (And yes I'm aware of initial mould costs which is why I said lifetime cost savings). At least the crisis suits are still reasonablely priced despite improvement.

- Crisis suits kit contain 4 of each weapon (except only 3 missiles). Iridium armor is still in the Codex, you can build one of such suits per kit (it the red one we saw in the pictures).

That would be nice if it was a 1 per squad or even shas'vre only which would allow some cool and a tough bodyguard unit. That of course assumes the iridium upgrade itself didn't get nerfed.

It will be interesting to see whats inside the Tau codex...

I don't think the tidewall will be that good, on an open board it could make some difference... But you can not move it over terrain and many board has a lot of big pieces of terrain....

I wrote a blogg post today about some additional Tau related stuff you can get for your Tau army from other companies if anyone is interested... [url] http://nyxnym.blogspot.se[url]

Updated the title. Send me anything you think should go in the OP.


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 Vector Strike wrote:
Ah, an update from GW regarding GMCs and shooting (from reddit):

http://i.imgur.com/hy5nXE3.png

Seems like GW will launch FAQs in the future!

You're funny.

MoD_Legion wrote:
What is the point in giving Tau charge after DS lol.

The fact that it says "Scouts and Vanguard squads" didnt tip you off that it was for marine units? :p

 pretre wrote:
Updated the title. Send me anything you think should go in the OP.


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 Vector Strike wrote:


Seems like GW will launch FAQs in the future!

You're funny.

That going in the tracker?

maceria wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Updated the title. Send me anything you think should go in the OP.


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 Vector Strike wrote:


Seems like GW will launch FAQs in the future!

You're funny.

That going in the tracker?

Heh. No.

 Kirasu wrote:

MoD_Legion wrote:
What is the point in giving Tau charge after DS lol.

The fact that it says "Scouts and Vanguard squads" didnt tip you off that it was for marine units? :p

I got confused by the guys name which sounded tau'ish :(.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Ah, an update from GW regarding GMCs and shooting (from reddit):

http://i.imgur.com/hy5nXE3.png

Seems like GW will launch FAQs in the future!

2018 FAQ's!

It's nice to see them respond, but I can't see them printing FAQ's, at least until all the 6th ed books are done.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Ah, an update from GW regarding GMCs and shooting (from reddit):

http://i.imgur.com/hy5nXE3.png

Seems like GW will launch FAQs in the future!

2018 FAQ's!

It's nice to see them respond, but I can't see them printing FAQ's, at least until all the 6th ed books are done.

So basically at the current pace next summer when they start retiring 7th edition codex books with the release of 8th edition?

Just to help clarify something with regards to the Tidewall's rules (if this has already been addressed I apologize). If a shot is reflected back at a unit that can jink (Space Marine Bikers for example) would they be able to jink the reflected shot? If I remember correctly (don't have my rulebook on me atm) the wording for jink is that a unit can jink only if they are declared as the target of a shooting attack. Since the Tidewall reflection is an auto-wound attack at the same AP as the weapon fired, that would mean you couldn't jink against it, as no shooting attack was declared, correct? Just want to clarify that I am reading and understanding the rules here correctly.

Apologies if this is a dupe, but I just got an email from GW confirming that the Tidewall Gunrig, Droneport and Shieldline will all be available to order individually from October 31st onward. It specifically says the kits will not be limited in number.

In other words, exactly like the Wall of Martyrs release.

 GI_Redshirt wrote:
Just to help clarify something with regards to the Tidewall's rules (if this has already been addressed I apologize). If a shot is reflected back at a unit that can jink (Space Marine Bikers for example) would they be able to jink the reflected shot? If I remember correctly (don't have my rulebook on me atm) the wording for jink is that a unit can jink only if they are declared as the target of a shooting attack. Since the Tidewall reflection is an auto-wound attack at the same AP as the weapon fired, that would mean you couldn't jink against it, as no shooting attack was declared, correct? Just want to clarify that I am reading and understanding the rules here correctly.

Right

 Kriswall wrote:
Apologies if this is a dupe, but I just got an email from GW confirming that the Tidewall Gunrig, Droneport and Shieldline will all be available to order individually from October 31st onward. It specifically says the kits will not be limited in number.

Excellent news, I see no reason why they would be trying to troll you. I can see some talented people making some excellent Tau fortifications/ cities from these kits.

Is there anything in the Tidewall's rules that says it's Tau only? I didn't see it in the picture but may have missed it.

Requizen wrote:
Is there anything in the Tidewall's rules that says it's Tau only? I didn't see it in the picture but may have missed it.

Not that I've seen, beyond the Identification rule which says only models with the Tau Empire faction can fire the Gunrig.

 Kriswall wrote:
Apologies if this is a dupe, but I just got an email from GW confirming that the Tidewall Gunrig, Droneport and Shieldline will all be available to order individually from October 31st onward. It specifically says the kits will not be limited in number.

In other words, exactly like the Wall of Martyrs release.

I really want to model some dead Cadians on the Tidewall walls roadkill!

Requizen wrote:
Is there anything in the Tidewall's rules that says it's Tau only? I didn't see it in the picture but may have missed it.

Nope. The only fortification in the game that is tied to a specific faction in the Drone Tower Network thing from Forgeworld. It is listed as being a Fortification choice for a Tau Empire army.

As has been mentioned, only Tau Empire models can make use of certain rules associated with the Tidewall, but anyone should be able to take it.

 Kriswall wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Is there anything in the Tidewall's rules that says it's Tau only? I didn't see it in the picture but may have missed it.

Nope. The only fortification in the game that is tied to a specific faction in the Drone Tower Network thing from Forgeworld. It is listed as being a Fortification choice for a Tau Empire army.

As has been mentioned, only Tau Empire models can make use of certain rules associated with the Tidewall, but anyone should be able to take it.

That actually remains to be seen. If it's in the Tau Empire Codex but not Stronghold Assault, that means the argument could be made that it is a Tau Empire specific fortification--meaning it would need to be Allied in and Allies rules would apply.

 Kriswall wrote:
Apologies if this is a dupe, but I just got an email from GW confirming that the Tidewall Gunrig, Droneport and Shieldline will all be available to order individually from October 31st onward. It specifically says the kits will not be limited in number.

In other words, exactly like the Wall of Martyrs release.

Good to know, as I'm sure I'm about to get nerfed on my order for these.

Also, as a side note, 6 months ago I needed to use up several hundred dollars of GW store support. I decided to do an entire wall of martyrs table. At the time, the basic box of trenches was out of stock. NP, used up the credit getting 2-4 of the other boxes, will just buy a few basic kits when they come back in.

And I waited.....in 6 months that kit, that PLASTIC kit, has not come back in print. I've yet to start on my project.

So while it will be coming out seperate, don't wait forever to pick up what you want to paint. Seems like even a plastic kit doesn't last forever with GW. Which is strange considering how much the upfront costs for plastic molds are.

Was the wall of martyrs a "normal" Gw plastic kit or one of the lower quality Chinese made kits?

Soory if this was posted already, here are the rules for the Tau Wall from the box...

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/tidewall-rampart-rules.jpg

Caederes wrote:
The Darkstrider trick is purely for monster-hunting, ergo the Fire Warriors aren't exactly wasted there. Otherwise you would just a Fireblade (he has Split Fire if I'm not mistaken) or a regular Fire Warrior.

So take a 265 pt structure, add a 100 pts character that requires a min 44 point unit..... That is way to expensive for a gimick.


Also, not sure how people are claiming a storm surge/ T'aunar get 25% blockage. 25% of the height is not 25% the model lol. Even if it floats and covers up to the knee of that thing, it clearly isn't 25% of the mass of those models which are mostly upper body.

So... What is the third floating disc in the Rampart kit?

The droneport disc and the Railgun disc are mentioned in the rules, but I have no idea what the blank disk is for.

Curious if Broadsides will fit on the actual shieldwalls too, I guess.

The wall looks dope but is seriously over rated. I advise people that think it is good to pick up stronghold assault, there are FAR better options for less points that you can always use the wall parts as. If you want a save and a better view of the table for your storm surge just save 165 pts and get a skyshield for example. It's a 4+ invuln save and a 4" boost in height lol.

I don't think anybody really had any problems with is other than the reflection mechanic (mostly because it's badly designed).

I don't think it's badly designed. I think it's no worse than a lot of the craziness that goes on in 40k.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I don't think it's badly designed. I think it's no worse than a lot of the craziness that goes on in 40k.

You don't think something which is basically negligible for infantry but deadly to vehicles is badly designed?

vitae_drinker wrote:
I don't think it's badly designed. I think it's no worse than a lot of the craziness that goes on in 40k.

Not in terms of craziness...

There are just much simpler ways of handling this sort of mechanic that doesn't include additional die rolls.

"On a successful cover save result of 6..."




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 Kanluwen wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
I don't think it's badly designed. I think it's no worse than a lot of the craziness that goes on in 40k.

You don't think something which is basically negligible for infantry but deadly to vehicles is badly designed?

People seem to be okay with Grav and it is similarly lopsided in how effective it is.

 Kanluwen wrote:

vitae_drinker wrote:
I don't think it's badly designed. I think it's no worse than a lot of the craziness that goes on in 40k.

You don't think something which is basically negligible for infantry but deadly to vehicles is badly designed?

Kind of reminds me of the shield technology from Dune. "The slow blade penetrates."

Haywire is basically negligible for Infantry, but deadly to vehicles. That doesn't mean Haywire is badly designed. This thing might be designed to give vehicles pause.