Small note for upcomming Ogre Kingdoms/pictures on page 3/update page 11 & 12

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**Surtur**

Since the other thread is locked.

In the Storm of Magic spells, the new ogre spells reference Bloodgruel as the Lore Attribute. SO, if it's anything like our current spell, it mean our butchers will be healing back wounds. Further extrapolation could be that we no longer hurt our butchers as they cast as dealing a wound then healing right back would be needlessly complicated. Don't know how many ogre players have picked up on this yet so here it is.

**Kroothawk**

New set of rumours, posted by new Warseer member Bill-Boe:

I happen to know some snippets of the forthcoming ogre book. I registred for the soul reason of posting what I was told, but take with a pinch of salt:

Phil Kelly is author.

Plastic kits:
Rhinox Riders (on regular Rhinoxen) (box of 3)
Scraplauncher/Skewer-slinger (Similar to Warp-cannon/plague-claw in design)
Great Mammox with three ogre crew and plastic tyrant option (Same base as Arachnarock. Imagine a cross between a musk ox and a Mammoth)
Yhetees (More gorilla-like, and and no more 80's hairstyle manes. Really dynamic for a plastic kit)

Finecast:
Jahred The Red on Rhinox
Golgfag Maneater

Redone Goldtooth, Skrag, maneaters (box of 3, female, ninja and pirate discontinued), Tyrant/bruiser, gorger.

Rules:

Bull Charge will work always, even though you're less than 3 ogres and charge less than 6".

All ogres except butchers gain a basic 6+ save from their gut plates.

Ogre Clubs negates parry save, and is a general rule for all weapons like Choppas in OnG.

All army restrictions gone, but gnoblars do not count towards minimum core.

Gnoblars T2, but Sharp stuff is March and Fire, Range 10".

Weapon options for units cheaper, and minor point reductions across the board. Bulls will stay same base cost.

Magic will be standardized. Most spells will stay similar (augments) but with greater range, and can be buffed to affect more units. May also be cast on Yhetees and Gorgers.

Rhinox Riders are super-hard. They get regular stomp and D3+1 Bull Charge, and also has Devastating Charge. (Special Choice)

Scraplauncher, same but moves to Rare.

Rhinox and Mammox are mount options for Tyrant and Hunter.

Mammox can thunderstomp everything, like the SoM Bonegrinder Giant. Insane stats, but expensive (like 290 points base.). Crew can have leadbelcher swivel guns.

Hunter greatly improved. Move and fire with harpoon and monster-killing special rules.

Yhetees as in SoM, but with options for 2HW or GW, and musician now. No standard-bearer.

Leadbelchers auto-hit, and can fire every turn, but only S4, no AP. Don't come with Light Armour.

Magic Items:

Big Names Gone.

Half of items are Magic Weapons.

Tenderizer and Siegebreaker will stay.

Halfling Cookbook grants Loremaster.

There's a banner granting the same frenzy Minotaurs have.

Plastics will be out in October. Finecast in November.

**SkaerKrow**

Kroothawk wrote:

Plastics will be out in October. Finecast in November.

Wait, what? So now Ogres are in the coveted October release slot?

**marielle**

Wait, what? So now Ogres are in the coveted October release slot?

The rumour mill has been saying this for some months now. Occasionally they move forward or back a month, but October has been the favourite for a while.

**nosferatu1001**

Yep, october, after sisters in august and september.

**FearPeteySodes**

If true i'll be sad about the loss of big names (rather than bringing them in line with other armies like chaos gifts) and the magic standardization.

**Kroothawk**

Sisters get a WD Codex in Aug/Sept, but not necessarily miniatures (will feature at least one new Vampire monster). September will see a special box a la Space Hulk. October is reserved for Ogres for several months now.

**LavuranGuard**

it's in the letters

September = Special
October = Ogres
November = Necrons

Daemons in December..who knows?

**Eumerin**

FearPeteySodes wrote:magic standardization.

After what happened with Tomb Kings, I would have thought that this would pretty much be assumed.

**Zyllos**

LavuranGuard wrote:it's in the letters

September = Special
October = Ogres
November = Necrons

Daemons in December..who knows?

Dwarves? I really do not know as I play very little Fantasy, but most of the above is good news for my one army I play, Ogres! I do agree that I will most the current inclination of Gutmagic and Big Names will be missed but all the other great changes (which will fundamtally leave the the same way in terms of how they play) is all very good news!

**Kurgash**

December = Didley squat!

**Colonel Dakura**

@kroothawk - special box? Do you know what they'll do for it?

**Death By Monkeys**

Colonel Dakura wrote:@kroothawk - special box? Do you know what they'll do for it?

Psst - see this thread here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/371485.page

**chaos0xomega**

Didn't y'all get the memo, its octOGRE!

Not really anything to comment on though, most of these changes/additions were expected. Until we get some pics or some more solid info, I'm kinda 'meh' about it... which is saying something, because I've been looking forward to an OK update for about 5 years now...

**Surtur**

Kroot, you made my millennium!

**nosferatu1001**

Brets need a book much more than Dwarves do. Dwarves are fairly broken in non-comp, as they can shut magic phases down (always having as many dispel as you do power, for example) and have brutal shooting.

Wood elves also need a new book, very badly...

**iproxtaco**

Looking good so far. OctOGRE (credit to chaos0xomega as far as I know) is shaping up very nicely. Mammox is top of the list as a mount for my Tyrant.

**SkaerKrow**

Ah, the Necron rumor thread got it wrong then. I had heard that they were projected for October.

Wow, sounds like Ogres are going to jump up pretty high on the competitive curve. Maybe I'll get all of my Minotaurs together and run them as a Counts As Ogre Kingdoms army.

**nosferatu1001**

Mainly because it usually goes fantasy - 40k - fantasy. Sisters followed by necrons wouldnt be ideal.

**Flashman**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Mainly because it usually goes fantasy - 40k - fantasy. Sisters followed by necrons wouldnt be ideal.

It used to, but not really any more. Ignoring the White Dwarf article that will be Sisters, actual army book releases this year are shaping up as follows...

Orcs & Goblins - Fantasy
Grey Knights - Mat Ward's Fantasy

Tomb Kings - Fantasy
Storm of Magic - Fantasy
And Ogre Kingsdoms in October - Fantasy

40K is barely getting a look in you see

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Kurgash wrote:December = Didley squat!

Kurgash wrote:Didley squat!

Kurgash wrote:squat

Kurgash wrote:squat

December = Demiurg

**nosferatu1001**

Storm of magic isnt a fantasy army book release....if youre arbitrarily ignoring So B you should ignore SoM

**Medium of Death**

SoM is in a hardbook, Sister's is an update extended over 2 magazines with no mini-releases.

I think Flashman's point is fair.

**chaos0xomega**

Deal with it? Last year Fantasy had what all of one or two releases, and 40k had what 4 or 5?

**Ahtman**

I would also like to make a small note.

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**Kroothawk**

Small update by Darnok, moderator on Warseer.

I just had a discussion with a birdy. And while you might still want to take it with salt, I now fully trust the rumours in the OP.

**ChaosxVoid**

Ogres might be nice to do again i have half an army sitting in a closet haha its about time i bring them back out, or elves im not to sure, this is promising though.

As for december releases they usually dont have anything to look forward too, christmas and all, they just give out deals like free shipping things of that nature.

I heard a while back that wood elves are due for an update but i have no further news on this besides common guess', i suppose it would be nice.

That is all xVoid

**Kroothawk**

Small but important tidbit:
The last page of WD August showing the September preview is about Ogres! Seems they are a month earlier than expected (not sure what that means for the "secret box" release).

**chaos0xomega**

Prior to the 'new' release format (tell you nothing until a week prior to release) GW used to preview the new army the month prior to release. Maybe GW decided to keep the 1 month preview in place for army updates?

**Kroothawk**

Maybe GW decided to lower prices and hire marketing pros