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The rule "Ever-living" reads:

Necron codex, page 29 wrote:
If a model with this special rule is removed as a casualty, do not add a Reanimation protocols counter to its unit. Instead, place an Ever-living counter where the model was removed from play. At the end of the phase, roll for this counter, just as you would for a reanimation protocols counter.
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If the roll was failed, remove the model from play.

Am I to understand that if a model of mine with ever-living (E.G. Necron overlord) was killed, and I failed the roll, I would be removed? Seems a bit dodgy to me.
Also, on the reanimation protocols part, it says roll at the end of the phase. Does this mean end of shooting phase, assault phase etc, or at the end of the turn?

I'm with you. I need clarification.

woodbok wrote:The rule "Ever-living" reads:

Necron codex, page 29 wrote:
If a model with this special rule is removed as a casualty, do not add a Reanimation protocols counter to its unit. Instead, place an Ever-living counter where the model was removed from play. At the end of the phase, roll for this counter, just as you would for a reanimation protocols counter.
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If the roll was failed, remove the model from play.

Am I to understand that if a model of mine with ever-living (E.G. Necron overlord) was killed, and I failed the roll, I would be removed? Seems a bit dodgy to me.
Also, on the reanimation protocols part, it says roll at the end of the phase. Does this mean end of shooting phase, assault phase etc, or at the end of the turn?

Where's the confusion? If you fail the ever-living roll, the model is removed from play.

And yes - it's the end of every phase, so you can get some back before assault.

How is it 'dodgy'? You essentially have a 1 in 3 chance of standing back up with one (or more thanks to wargear) wounds.

As for when it happens, the rule says it happens at the end of the phase, not turn.

So if you shoot at a unit of Necrons with this rule in an attempt to whittle their numbers down some in preparation for assaulting them, there is a chance that they will all be fresh and ready to fight in the assault phase? Damn.

So what happens in the event a model has both rules?

Read the first paragraph for the Ever-living rule.

warpcrafter wrote:So if you shoot at a unit of Necrons with this rule in an attempt to whittle their numbers down some in preparation for assaulting them, there is a chance that they will all be fresh and ready to fight in the assault phase? Damn.

Yeah - potential for wasted shots. Nifty fun

Ghaz wrote:Read the first paragraph for the Ever-living rule.

A lack luster response. Its says basically put a EL counter vice RP counter, but do the same thing basically. So why list a model with both special rules? Thats my question.

Just saying...

Because its an army-wide special rule hoe the Necrons, that's why. Anyway, the rules for Ever-living clearly answered your question and was even quoted in the very first post. We're not here to answer your questions if you can't even read what the rules clearly state.

Ghaz wrote:Because its an army-wide special rule hoe the Necrons, that's why. Anyway, the rules for Ever-living clearly answered your question and was even quoted in the very first post. We're not here to answer your questions if you can't even read what the rules clearly state.

Wow. Thanks Pal.

i know what your saying byte...others are just being jerks.

If I am to understand what your asking, it is why do independant characters have ever-living and RP if they do exactly the same thing?

To that all I see is that ever-living can be done if the character is alone or in a unit, where RP cant be done if no other models are still alive.

BarBoBot wrote:i know what your saying byte...others are just being jerks.

If I am to understand what your asking, it is why do independant characters have ever-living and RP if they do exactly the same thing?

To that all I see is that ever-living can be done if the character is alone or in a unit, where RP cant be done if no other models are still alive.

Copy BBB, thanks.

Yhey have the Reanimation Protocols special rule because they're Necrons. They will never use those rules instead of Ever-living bit they have it nonetheless because they are Necrons.

As to the answer that byte didn't like, then he needs to brush up on his forum rules. My answer was appropriate in light of forum rules and the rule in question was even posted in the very first post. If he can't be bothered to try and find an answer for himself then I'm not going to hand it to him on a silver platter. Next time I won't even bother to reply to him.

Everliving can be done if they are swept as well. Basically, it's a RP, but with the only restriction being that you can place your Model with EL, at least 1' away from enemies, from where the counter is.

Ghaz wrote:Yhey have the Reanimation Protocols special rule because they're Necrons. They will never use those rules instead of Ever-living bit they have it nonetheless because they are Necrons.

As to the answer that byte didn't like, then he needs to brush up on his forum rules. My answer was appropriate in light of forum rules and the rule in question was even posted in the very first post. If he can't be bothered to try and find an answer for himself then I'm not going to hand it to him on a silver platter. Next time I won't even bother to reply to him.

Can't you just get over it? I didn't say anything negative, short of 'lack luster response". Someone else helped me out, its ok if you didn't.

How about this, lets close down all the forums and everybody just just read their books. Come on man.

The way I read it is iIf the character with EL rule is in a unit when its destroyed , its pretty much the same as having RP - as it must resurrect back into the unit it joined - so if the whole unit is destroyed the character cant come back - no unit to join .

With ever-living , a model can come back if it wasnt part of a unit , with RP you have to'reform' about a model in the unit that wasnt destroyed

I did help you. I told you exactly where to find the answer to your question in accordance to forum rules. Perhaps you should think twice before you criticize someone who took the time to answer your question.

Ghaz wrote:I did help you. I told you exactly where to find the answer to your question in accordance to forum rules. Perhaps you should think twice before you criticize someone who took the time to answer your question.

The last sentence of your answer bordered on breaking rule 1, and I can see why Byte is a bit miffed because it came off as a pretty snarky response. Just your post without that line would have sufficed.

That isn't to say that Byte is right in pursuing the matter either. Anything like this can be taken up with the mod team by hitting the triangle of friendship and reporting it. Let's make up now hmm?

Ghaz wrote:I did help you. I told you exactly where to find the answer to your question in accordance to forum rules. Perhaps you should think twice before you criticize someone who took the time to answer your question.

I must have read your response differently than intended. I meant no disrespect unlike your pointed comments towards me. Anyways, I'm over it. See my sig. If posting isn't worth your time bro, don't post. Hope you more helpful with other folks so Dakka can continue to be a relevant resource. Instead of "read your book"... geez.

All good. Peace Ghaz.

So he gets to break the forum rules if he gets an answer that he doesn't like? If he post a snarky reply about a 'lackluster' post that actually answered his question then he shouldn't be surprised to get a snarky reply in return. Perhaps he should take that into account instead of acting like a troll. When somebody helps you and then you turn around and slap them in the face because you didn't like the answer then you're as much at fault as anybody else. I'm done with this thread.

Me wrote:Anything like this can be taken up with the mod team by hitting the triangle of friendship and reporting it.

Dynamix wrote:The way I read it is iIf the character with EL rule is in a unit when its destroyed , its pretty much the same as having RP - as it must resurrect back into the unit it joined - so if the whole unit is destroyed the character cant come back - no unit to join .

With ever-living , a model can come back if it wasnt part of a unit , with RP you have to'reform' about a model in the unit that wasnt destroyed

Yep thanks Dyna, I'm all good on issue.

so what is the diffrence between Everliving and RP? i dont understand....

arch1angel wrote:so what is the diffrence between Everliving and RP? i dont understand....

The short and long of it is RP is "squad" level and EL is no kidding for IC. If a squad loses all of its members... no RP, where as the IC can always make his test with EL.

The reason why I got confused was because the Resurrection protocols rule doesn't state that the counter should be removed if I failed a roll. Whereas the Ever-living rule does say that the counter should be removed.

woodbok wrote:The reason why I got confused was because the Resurrection protocols rule doesn't state that the counter should be removed if I failed a roll. Whereas the Ever-living rule does say that the counter should be removed.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the last line of the resurrection protocols rule says to remove all counters the unit has accumulated after they have been rolled for.

Rephistorch wrote:

woodbok wrote:The reason why I got confused was because the Resurrection protocols rule doesn't state that the counter should be removed if I failed a roll. Whereas the Ever-living rule does say that the counter should be removed.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the last line of the resurrection protocols rule says to remove all counters the unit has accumulated after they have been rolled for.

I know.

Byte wrote:

Ghaz wrote:Read the first paragraph for the Ever-living rule.

So why list a model with both special rules? Thats my question.

I think it's just for completeness. The EL rule deals specifically with characters with the RP. I guess they could have made two separate rules and the characters only have EL while the rest of the models have RP. It's a matter of style I guess.

Byte wrote:

Ghaz wrote:Read the first paragraph for the Ever-living rule.

A lack luster response. Its says basically put a EL counter vice RP counter, but do the same thing basically. So why list a model with both special rules? Thats my question.

Just saying...

ever living cannot be used with reanimation protocols