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Is it just me and that im not reading the rules right, or is there quite an abundance of illegal lists because of people not understanding the Necron's Royal Court right? Im seeing lists of crypteks using the same upgrades and units getting 2 lords or crypteks. The army list thread has numerous examples. If im wrong good, as I can build a more powerfull army the way im seeing other people doin it.

From what I understand:

1 overlord unlocks

0-5 Crypteks AND 0-5 Lords

Cryage wrote:From what I understand:

1 overlord unlocks

0-5 Crypteks AND 0-5 Lords

Correct, but I see a lot of people taking the same upgraded cryptek within the same Royal court and putting 2 crypteks in a unit of whatever. Each upgrade and weapon in the Cryptek option list is unique to that Royal court, so you cant take more than one of each ugrade/weapon.

Garukadon wrote:Correct, but I see a lot of people taking the same upgraded cryptek within the same Royal court and putting 2 crypteks in a unit of whatever. Each upgrade and weapon in the Cryptek option list is unique to that Royal court, so you cant take more than one of each ugrade/weapon.

You mean like the Eldritch Lance? That's not one of the unique gear....that's included when you upgrade to the specific type of Cryptek. 5 Eldritch Lances (or other such gear) in one Royal Court is perfectly legal.

And if you take two royal courts, then one from each can join a squad as of the current wording. I expect that might get FAQ'd, though.

... but I see a lot of people taking the same upgraded cryptek within the same Royal court...

Which is perfectly legal. Its only the unique wargear that's limited to once per court

... and putting 2 crypteks in a unit of whatever

Which is also legal if the two Crypteks/Lords come from different Courts. Expect this one to be disallowed by the first Necron FAQ.

Nungunz that is correct. You can upgrade your crypts to a single type of Harbinger, you just cant take more than one of the same type of wargear, such as solar pulse.


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Ghaz, that last one is questionable and I do agree it'll be in the FAQ. The rules say something to the effect of this... Only one member of the Royal Court can join each unit in this way. <that may be a good point in not allowing up to 2 crypts to join a unit, or lords, even if coming from different courts.>

Ghaz wrote:
Which is perfectly legal. Its only the unique wargear that's limited to once per court

Ah, was just double checking. You can however, for example, get two Solar Pulses in a list if you take two royal courts.

"The Court" is singular and thus only applies to the same Court that the Cryptek/Lord came from. Until it is FAQed it is legal, if not necessarily what was intended.

Ghaz while I would agree with you on RAW, as it is a confusing rule with divided opinions I would think no one should play with 2 crypteks/lords in a unit for now. It does you no good to test such builds now if it gets faq'd later, and if your playing versus an opponent with a different point of view it will come to a dice off.

Its the GK falchion problem all over again... if you can get 2 (falchion bonus attacks/crypteks) then the upgrade can be very worth while, but if its only 1 (falchion bonus attack/cryptek) then the points are not well justified on many units.

I dont see where anyone is getting only 1 cryptek total can join a unit instead of 1 per court. It says 1 from THE court, singular.

In units it says the same for upgrades (one of THE unit), but no one says that means no other unit can have the upgrade.

Its 100% clear and there is no need to dice off at all just because someone doesnt like it

To make the "unique" part clear - wargear OPTIONS are unique, but eldritch lances are not an option (as an example) but a mandatory exchange for the staff of light

There is a note on page 90 of the necron codex that explains the unique wargear for crypteks.

It says " Any number of crypteks that are in a royal court can be upgraded to a single specific type of harbinger. Whilst you can have any number of harbingers of a specific type, each of the harbingers unique wargear options can only be chose once in each royal court"

So you may have up to 5 harbinger of destruction with the eldritch lance, but only 1 of them may take a unique item such as the solar pulse. (unless you take a second royal court)

As far as having 1 member from each court join a unit, the wording does imply its possible to do that, but I'm not convinced thats what was intended. Its probably gonna get a FAQ.

It was not super clear to me what is limited at first. I think it boils down to you can have 5 of the same Harbinger per Court, but can only have one instance of each of the two upgrades. Numbers are doubled if you take 2 Overlords and 2 Courts.

So, 5 Harbingers of the Storm: 1 with Ether Crystal and 1 with Lightning Field (could both be on the same model if you wanted).

Homer