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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 11:16:47
Subject: You know whats sad
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Armored Iron Breaker
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At my local wargaming club, we had a chap who always came to every meeting, was a great guy and an awesome fantasy player and for the past couple of meetings he says he wont come because he is so mad at GW and their prices that if he comes to the club and people come in and say "oh thats looks cool, I might get some my self" he'll feel so bad for making them waste hundreds of dollars on army that is like 500 points.
I mean, thats pretty sad. GW has gone so far, that their making veterns of fantasy and 40k stop playing in the fear of other people getting into the game and wasting money :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 11:30:04
Subject: You know whats sad
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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My club's vets just point them to the 2nd hand market.
Stacks of the older stuff becomes available when the new (replacement) models go on sale as the new bandwagon jumpers flock by getting rid of their old stuff - or dissatisfied older players dump that army because they don't like what it has now become.
We urge them away from GW retail.
If they want to play fantasy, with undead, orks, dwarfs or elves, we point them at mantic as a way of getting their feet wet without drowning.
(This is not a GW-store based club. We couldn't care less what GW think of our attitude - they don't support us and we ignore them).
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 13:09:27
Subject: Re:You know whats sad
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Boosting Ultramarine Biker
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Go on EBay and you can find a ton of secondhand, basically brand new kits.
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5th Company 2000 pts
615 pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 13:34:14
Subject: You know whats sad
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Focused Fire Warrior
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chromedog wrote:We couldn't care less what GW think of our attitude - they don't support us and we ignore them.
Except when you play the games they have produced... But I'm sure besides those instances you never pay attention to anything GW...
OT:
This is the way of many things. When you first get into something there is a rush of "new love" that drives you. But over time that feeling slowly fades and ultimately you give up a hobby/item/loved one that you previously had strong feelings for and replace it with a new and in you eyes shinier toy, so not really a GW specific case.
Cheers
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Saddened on behalf of all the Ultramarines, Salamanders and White Scars players who got their Codex rolled into Codex: Black Templars. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 14:24:40
Subject: Re:You know whats sad
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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I don't know why the feth people make such a big deal about continuing to play their games. GW doesn't know or care that you're still playing their games, the only thing they'll notice is whether or not you're still giving them money. And if chromedog is still using his old models (or buying from third parties) and playing with older rulebooks or homebrew stuff, then chances are he's probably not giving them much, if anything at all.
So I'd say yeah, he's probably doing a good job ignoring them. He's just not a fething moron that's going to throw all his stuff away that he already paid good money for.
Ugh. I don't remember anyone giving me this much gak when I decided I liked Pepsi better, but thought it would be better to go ahead and finish the case of Coke that I already bought so it didn't go to waste. "omg, you're still supporting Coke! You hypocrite!"
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Desubot wrote:Why isnt Slut Wars: The Sexpocalypse a real game dammit.
"It's easier to change the rules than to get good at the game." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 14:28:10
Subject: You know whats sad
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Nigel Stillman
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Only buy from people who are getting out of the hobby.
Like dudes in the swap shop
That way you arn't supporting GW, if supporting GW is such a huge deal for them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 14:30:58
Subject: You know whats sad
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Yeah, my club's veterans are shying away from putting guns to new players heads to buy stuff too.
Really? It's called "dollar vote".
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GW didn't mean to hit your wallet and I know they love you, baby. I'm sure they won't do it again so it's ok to purchase and make up. 
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 14:36:31
Subject: Re:You know whats sad
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Kid_Kyoto
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People I know who get back into the game because of me are people I typically either direct toward ebay and it's ilk, or just give spare marines/bitz to in order to help them get going.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 14:42:05
Subject: You know whats sad
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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I know the Aussies have it far worse as far as price goes, but I think this is just another burnt out player looking for an excuse beyond "I just don't enjoy the hobby anymore."
It's natural to lose interest in a hobby over time, and it's natural to want to attach that waning interest to some wrong. I'm just not sure it's as accurate as people think.
The amount of enjoyment that a person can get out of a single 40k army, over time, is tremendous. the cost is admittedly very high, but so are the benefits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 19:05:07
Subject: You know whats sad
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Dakka Veteran
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If your friend wants out of the hobby, PM me and I'll send you an address of one of my friends that helps people in that situation. Send us his stuff and we'll make sure it finds a good home. We'll even pay for shipping.
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"Worglock is not wrong..." - Legoburner
Total Finecast Models purchased: 30.
Models with issues: 2
Models made good by Customer Service: 2
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 19:19:06
Subject: You know whats sad
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Myrmidon Officer
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Is your club GW-exclusive? There are other companies out there.
Miniatures Wargaming is still fun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/10 23:36:46
Subject: You know whats sad
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
Tied and gagged in the back of your car
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I had one of my friends get into the hobby, and I kept trying to convince him not to, just because GW's so overpriced and things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. Granted, he ended up deciding to dive in, despite my attempts to stop him, and now I try to support him through it as much as I can, but I know the same feeling your friend has, OP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/11 02:58:03
Subject: You know whats sad
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Polonius wrote:I know the Aussies have it far worse as far as price goes, but I think this is just another burnt out player looking for an excuse beyond "I just don't enjoy the hobby anymore."
The prices are a passion killer IMO. Yes you can buy from other manufacturers but only GW make their space marines and they do make a lot of nice, unique stuff. But I simply can't afford it like I used to which is a great shame - and don't see a time when it will become justifiable cost wise on a regular basis, however much I earn, I only do single figures now. I enjoy these a lot though. The passion killer is bring pushed out of something that was once affordable and enjouable. GW games ate neither IMO.
GW have always been expensive, but now it's just disappointing. I'm a bit out of touch do I was checking out a few things on their site, a starter box of Cadians is now £65 and you just get 30 men and a sentinel. You don't even get a tank. That's just a bit sad, there's hardly anything in the box. Not much to get excited about. GW have done a lot to suck the fun out of the hobby even putting the prices aside.
I like the look of these Mantic Forgefathers, might get some of them in future. GW though have killed most of my enthusiasm for their products. I've dumped a heap of stuff on eBay recently because I didn't care about most of it any more. I'll stick to getting the odd figures on eBay, that's okay for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/11 12:28:53
Subject: You know whats sad
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
Behind you
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I am just painting the things I got just before the price hike. I actually realised. OH new product, maybe it'll push up the price, bought a heap of GW plastics and metals for cheap because my GW was trucking them out....now I paint, and sit and wait and laugh. I feel sorry for the cash strapped single mothers buying their young 8 year olds a boxed set for 250 bucks.
Urgh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/11 14:53:08
Subject: You know whats sad
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Brigadier General
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I understand the passion killing nature of GW prices, but I would echo the statments of folks above.
1) It ain't all GW. Even if you want to play GW games, there are lots of non-GW options, and it sounds like you're not at a GW store so there's no real need to buy the GW figs.
2) Buy used. There's no need to buy new unless you've absolutely got to have that new kit with all the options. I paid around 30% of ("of" not "off") retail for my IG army!
To those I would add.
3) It's their money. If you let them know about options 1 and 2 and they go spend their $ at GW that's their (or their parent's) business. Don't feel guilty for enjoying the hobby.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/11 14:56:36
Subject: You know whats sad
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Look at it this way.
Warhammer 40,000 IS NOT ABOUT PLAYING A GAME.
Its about building models, and HEY LOOK! You can play a game with them when they are done.
If you are just looking for something to do because your competitive, there are far cheaper (and lets face it, more balanced) games you can play.
The only reason you should play 40k is because you either have too much money to spend, love the fluff, or love painting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 15:42:41
Subject: You know whats sad
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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Howard A Treesong wrote:
The prices are a passion killer IMO.
I've dumped a heap of stuff on eBay recently because I didn't care about most of it any more. I'll stick to getting the odd figures on eBay, that's okay for me.
I'm not trying to pick on you, but these two sentences, while not inconsistent, I think show that you might be misplacing some of the blame for your lack of interest.
GW product at current prices are not of interest to you, but you already have more GW than you'll ever use! Why would you get excited about new models when you've got a closet full of old ones?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 20:00:57
Subject: You know whats sad
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Perturbed Blood Angel Tactical Marine
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Well after reading the second post about people being pointed to 2nd hand market. I have to interject because I do not agree with this type of attitude. I mean I know there are so many second hand markets out there but there are also local game stores that have a rent. Support your local store and buy there product.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 21:55:41
Subject: You know whats sad
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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I would buy from an LGS, but GW have a habit of pushing out* the LGS's if they find out that it's cost-effective to open their own store (so I no longer have one).
*They make it harder and harder to reorder stock, until the vendor gives up (and stops competing with them). I've seen it happen 4 times.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 22:00:14
Subject: You know whats sad
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Regular Dakkanaut
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You know what's sad? I'm leaving GW for Magic, because collectable trading card games are *cheaper* than this "hobby".
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Went digging through my old posts, and guess what? I've been hating on mat ward since before it was cool
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/244212.page |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 22:01:11
Subject: You know whats sad
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Dakka Veteran
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Horst wrote:Look at it this way.
Warhammer 40,000 IS NOT ABOUT PLAYING A GAME.
Its about building models, and HEY LOOK! You can play a game with them when they are done.
If you are just looking for something to do because your competitive, there are far cheaper (and lets face it, more balanced) games you can play.
The only reason you should play 40k is because you either have too much money to spend, love the fluff, or love painting.
Unfortunately there's a 4th option that keeps so many undesirables lurking around the edges of Games Workshop.
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"Worglock is not wrong..." - Legoburner
Total Finecast Models purchased: 30.
Models with issues: 2
Models made good by Customer Service: 2
Finecast is... Fine... Get over it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 22:03:43
Subject: You know whats sad
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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dumbuket wrote:You know what's sad? I'm leaving GW for Magic, because collectable trading card games are *cheaper* than this "hobby".
Well, it's cheaper to print pieces of cardboard than cast molds, so this isn't really surprising.
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Working on someting you'll either love or hate. Hopefully to be revealed by November.
Play the games that make you happy. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 22:04:05
Subject: You know whats sad
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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I find the idea that there are only three acceptable reasons to play 40k incredibly elitist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 22:08:05
Subject: You know whats sad
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Worglock wrote:
Unfortunately there's a 4th option that keeps so many undesirables lurking around the edges of Games Workshop.
The Outwage!! How can we be wid of the wiff-waff?!?!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 22:13:52
Subject: Re:You know whats sad
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Warmachine/Hordes
Battletech
Infinity
PS: RIP AT-43
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 22:22:45
Subject: You know whats sad
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Polonius wrote:I'm not trying to pick on you, but these two sentences, while not inconsistent, I think show that you might be misplacing some of the blame for your lack of interest. GW product at current prices are not of interest to you, but you already have more GW than you'll ever use! Why would you get excited about new models when you've got a closet full of old ones? There's more to it than that. I'm not getting rid of everything, I've had to put myself through the end of my studies by raising a little bit, or quite a bit. I've seriously rationalised my collection, keeping a few things that I do really like (like my Dogs of War), and shifting all those odds and ends of models that I simply don't see myself getting around to paint. Furthermore while I'm a terrible hoarder, but of the figures that I have sold, I don't really feel like I miss them now. There's stuff I still get excited about but the idea of 'collecting an army' particularly of the GW variety doesn't appeal because of the costs involved and all the other GW nonsense, only single figures and skirmish level forces. Certainly I see the size of fantasy armies and see that as a total turn off. It's so much nicer to say "I'll have that nurgle dude, and those sanguinary guard, and that marine..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 22:33:50
Subject: You know whats sad
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I am in agreement with Howard. Since giving up the game itself I have enjoyed GW stuff far more. I sold off my collection in huge chunks, and really only miss about a 1/2 dozen models.
I have started collecting again, but at a much slower pace. I am actually trying to stay semi caught up with painting since this is my favorite part of the hobby.
I am still enjoying wargaming. Mostly I play skirmish type games now that requires far fewer models. Or I just play Dust Tactics which I enjoy far more than I ever did 40k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/15 23:41:44
Subject: You know whats sad
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Brigadier General
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Zedrenael wrote:Well after reading the second post about people being pointed to 2nd hand market. I have to interject because I do not agree with this type of attitude. I mean I know there are so many second hand markets out there but there are also local game stores that have a rent. Support your local store and buy there product.
The presumption that the second hand market and the FLGS are mutually exclusive is false.
Many FLGS's buy and sell used product, and more should start. A FLGS in the suburbs runs a twice-annual auction where you can sell your used stuff for store credit and it's grown into a huge 4 day event! A few weeks ago, my FLGS just stared putting out bins of figures and bits they buy in. Not being a 40k, WHFB or WM player, I previously spent some cash there when I could, but they didn't have what I was interested in. Now that they have the used bins, I've nearly doubled my bi-weekly (how often I game there) spending, buying oop metal minis. Also, I've have told them that they'll get more of my gaming dollar if they keep it up.
It's not the buyers fault that a store fails to get in on the used market, it's the store's fault.
Howard A Treesong wrote:
Certainly I see the size of fantasy armies and see that as a total turn off.
It's so much nicer to say "I'll have that nurgle dude, and those sanguinary guard, and that marine..."
I very much agree with this. Since I largely stoped playing 40k, I've kept on buying used and OOP stuff. Sure it might not be the most effective choice in the current codex (or might not even be in the codex anymore), but it will fit into the other games I play.
inquisitorlewis wrote:...Since giving up the game itself I have enjoyed GW stuff far more....
I am still enjoying wargaming. Mostly I play skirmish type games now that requires far fewer models.
Also agreed. Now that I play generic skirmish games I'm free to buy whatever citadel models I wish without worrying about game restrictions. That doesn't result in much (any) $ flow directly to GW, but I don't much care. Also, much of the value of GW models and the GW brand is the fairly strong resale value that even older models have, and you wouldn't have that resale value without folks like me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/16 01:07:03
Subject: You know whats sad
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Dakka Veteran
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:Worglock wrote:
Unfortunately there's a 4th option that keeps so many undesirables lurking around the edges of Games Workshop.
The Outwage!! How can we be wid of the wiff-waff?!?!
Hopefully the next edition of 40K pushes them out.
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"Worglock is not wrong..." - Legoburner
Total Finecast Models purchased: 30.
Models with issues: 2
Models made good by Customer Service: 2
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/16 01:14:59
Subject: You know whats sad
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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chromedog wrote:I would buy from an LGS, but GW have a habit of pushing out* the LGS's if they find out that it's cost-effective to open their own store (so I no longer have one).
*They make it harder and harder to reorder stock, until the vendor gives up (and stops competing with them). I've seen it happen 4 times.
That feels so oddly familiar
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