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Platuan4th wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

GiantSlingshot wrote:I was looking through the WHFB stuff for C'tan shard conversions, and found this little tike.



He's like a baby Nightbringer. Especially when you give him the Necronny looking mask/skull on the left.

Maybe on a larger base with some rocks piled up on it, could be a cheap conversion.

edit: spelling

He's a bit small though, isn't he? Aren't shards meant to be massive?

Yeah, I'd have a bit of a hard time buying a slightly taller than mansized model as a MC.

What about combining him with the "tornado" bit from the WHFB kit that came out recently so he is sort of a djinn from the waist down? would give him some height/size...

Speaking of Ctan (and not being able to read back through this whole thread to find the info), has anyone looked at the C'tan page on GW and wounder WTF dose Lord of Fire mean? Making meltas and flamers EXPLODE sounds over powered, even by Ward standards...

I'm pretty sure that it just means flamers and meltas get the same treatment plasma cannons do.

Okay, updated master summary. PLEASE READ THIS ALL BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS IN THIS THREAD! There is a LOT of information here that will probably answer your question.


NOTES ON NEW NECRON FLUFF

There is a dramatic change in the fluff in this codex from the previous incarnation of the Necrons. Read more about it here:


Regarding the previous fluff saying that Necrons went into hibernation due to a massive 'Enslavers' invasion, in the new fluff they only really briefly mention that the wars unleashed some nasty things from the Warp, but they literally do not mention the Enslavers anymore. Read more about it here:


Bits of the fluff talk about other races & systems paying 'tribute' to the Necrons...here's my speculation based on what I read:





NECRON ARMY-WIDE SPECIAL RULES





NECRON ARMY-WIDE WEAPON NOTES





OVERALL ARMY ORGANIZATION



HQ

• Imotekh the Stormlord (Lord of the Sau):

His fluff:


Imotekh is armed with a few pieces of 'standard' wargear (that generic Overlords can also be equipped with): Phase Shifter & Sempiternal Weave (which together give him a 2+/3++ save), Phylactery & Gauntlet of Fire (which is a CC weapon that allows 'to hit' & 'to wound' rolls in combat to be re-rolled and can be used in the shooting phase as a very standard template weapon).

For non-standard wargear, he has 'Bloodswarm Nanoscarabs' which make you randomly pick one enemy non-vehicle unit in the army (going to need that random number generator again!) and any Flayed One packs aiming to Deep Strike within 6" of this enemy unit don't scatter.

He also carries the 'Staff of the Destroyer' which cannot be used in CC (so no +1 for having two weapons in CC) but allows a once per game shooting attack that is S6, AP1, Assault1 and fires a 2D6" straight 'line' out from Imotekh's base and hits enemy units underneath like the Doom Scythe's Death Ray (each unit under the line suffers as many hits as models in that unit that are actually under the line).

For special rules, if his close combat attacks bring down an enemy Independent Character or Monstrous Creature then you get 2 Kill Points instead of 1...but if you're playing a campaign then any models 'killed' this way gain 'preferred enemy' against Imotekh in subsequent games in the campaign (as he lets them go after defeating them).

He is also is able to steal the Initiative in games on a roll of 4+, unless playing against Orks (in which case you can't even attempt to seize the Initiative).

He has a special rule that makes the first turn of the game be night fighting no matter what the mission and he can try to extend the rule into further turns by rolling higher than the current turn number on a D6...in addition, while the Night Fighting rules are in effect at the start of the Necron Shooting phase you roll a D6 for each unengaged enemy unit and on a roll of '6' suffer D6 S8 AP5 hits (as they are hit by lightning strikes). Vehicles get hit on their side armor.

And as a nice combo to this there is a Cryptek ability called 'solar pulse' which allows (once per game) at the start of any turn (friend or foe) for the Night Fighting rules to be cancelled for that turn (or apply if the Night Fighting rules weren't in effect when the pulse was launched...although Night Fighting created by a Solar Pulse does not generate Lightning Strikes against enemy units).

So I could see an army based around this using Night Fight (with Lighting Strikes, of course), and then any turn they REALLY need to shoot, you can use the Solar Pulse to cancel out the Night Fighting effects on your own turn, which still leaves them affecting enemy shooting on their turn! Seems like it could be quite nasty indeed! Oh, and he can try to seize the Initiative on a 4+ except against Orks (who confound his logic). But of course, he is also over 200 points naturally...basically the big uber-Ghazghkull style guy in the codex.

Can take a Catacomb Command Barge and/or a Royal Court.

Confirmed in WD 382, his cost is 225 points.


• Nemesor Zahndrekh & his loyal bodyguard Vargard Obryon:

Their Fluff:


Zahndrekh has the gear to give himself a 2+/3+ save (which generic Overlords can do as well if they take the same gear). He also has a Rez Orb, Particle Caster (pistol) and Void Blade (Rending & Entropic).

His special rules are all based around his tactical acumen and they allow him at the start of each Necron turn to pick a friendly unit and give them a special rule: Counter-Attack, Furious Charge, Hit and Run, Acute Senses, Stealth or Tank Hunters (which they get until the start of their next turn).

He ALSO gets to pick one enemy unit on the table within his line of sight to lose ALL of those special rules listed above until the start of the next Necron turn.

When he is on the battlefield, any number of Necron units in reserve waiting to Deep Strike may choose to enter play immediately after any enemy unit arrives from Reserves. In other words, basically the same ability the Deathmarks have.

Vargard Obyron does not take up a HQ slot if in the same army as Zahndrekh. He has an uncharacteristic WS6 (as well as a 2+ save) along with a Warscythe.

He also has the Ghostwalk Mantle, which is a Veild of Darkness that can be used to pull his unit out of close combat (leaving the enemy to consolidate immediately), and if he choose to arrive within 6" of Zahndrekh, he does not scatter. Furthermore, if Zahndrekh's unit is ever assaulted and Obyron is not part of that combat, then he immediately teleports into the combat, leaving whatever unit he is in, even if he is already fighting combat or embarked in a vehicle.

Finally, he has a special rule that means he keeps track of any misses enemies roll against him in CC (not counting those that are successfully re-rolled). Each 'miss' that occurs before he swings in combat gives him a bonus extra attack that round of combat, up to a maximum of 6.

These guys are not cheap (although at least individually still not as expensive as the Stormlord), but they've certainly got some interesting potential.

Nemesor can take a Catacomb Command Barge and/or a Royal Court.


• Illuminor Szeras:

His fluff:


He is a Cryptek special character, so has a much more less powerful statline then the other special characters that are essentially super-Necron Orverlords. Despite being a 'Cryptek' in the fluff, he's still just a regular HQ choice (and you can't take a Royal Court for him because he isn't an Overlord).

For Wargear, he has an Eldrtich Lance and Gaze of Flame (Assault and Defensive Grenades for him and his unit).

His one unique special rule is that he upgrades a single Warrior or Immmortal unit with a random upgrade (you roll a D3 to see which ability gets picked...I mistakenly reported earlier that he upgraded D3 units, but that actually isn't the case. He only upgrades one unit)

The upgrades are: T5, BS5 or S5.

Definitely one of the more ho-hum named characters from a gameplay perspective, but he's also the cheapest by far, although the fact that you can't take a Royal Court for him does seem to make his uses even as a cheap HQ choice likely questionable.

Cannot take a Catacomb Command Barge or a Royal Court (as he isn't an Overlord).


• Orikan the Diviner:

His fluff:


Just as with Illuminor Szeras (the other 'Cryptek' named character) he has lesser stats than the Overlord style named characters. He does have a phase shifter though (3++ save).

His weapon is the 'staff of tomorrow' and its basically a staff that hits his opponents an instant before he actually swings it! That means he gets to re-roll 'to hit' and 'to wound' rolls, and it is a power weapon.

He has a special rule called 'Lord of Time' that allows him on one turn (and only one turn) to re-roll all unsuccessful reserve rolls that turn (unsuccessful rolls MUST be rerolled that turn, he doesn't get to choose).

He has another special rule that means all enemy units count as moving through difficult terrain on the first turn and if they are actually moving through difficult terrain then they have to choose the lowest die from the two they roll for difficult terrain. This obviously seems like a good ability to combine with the C'Tan manifestation that makes all difficult terrain count as dangerous!

The last ability he has is called 'The Stars are Right' and basically represents the fact that Orikan has predicted that at some time during the battle the stars will align and he will reclaim a portion of his ancient power (presumably from before when he was a Necontyr). He rolls a D6 at the start of each of his turns and if the die roll is less than or equal to the turn number then he has ascended to his 'empowered' state and gets a totally new statline that has S/T7, A/W4, etc...suspiciously similar to a C'Tan profile some would say.

Of course, you have to keep rolling at the start of each turn and if you ever roll less than or equal to the turn number again, his power recedes and he drops back down to his old statline (which could mean he instantly dies if he had already suffered more wounds than his 'lesser' profile has on it).

Points-wise, this guy is nowhere near as cheap as Illuminor Szeras, but compared to the rest of the named characters, he is still the cheapest.

Cannot take a Catacomb Command Barge or a Royal Court (as he isn't an Overlord).


• Anrakyr the Traveller:

His fluff:


He has a special rule that allows the Necron player to pick an enemy vehicle each shooting phase within 18" and on a D6 roll of 3+, the Necron player is able to fire with that vehicle as if it were his (counting as not moving for the shooting attack and ignoring any shaken/stunned results on it)...in other words he 'hacks' into the vehicle and momentarily takes control!

He also has a Tachyon Arrow, which is like a super hunter-killer missile. A one-time use S10 AP1 single shot that has unlimited range (Overlords & Destroyer Lords have the option to take this as well).

I can't imagine too many people ever taking this guy over the Stormlord (although he is 50 pts cheaper), but that ability could just do some crazy things, especially in Apocalypse games where you could shoot with an enemy titan or other super-heavy vehicle!

Can take a Catacomb Command Barge and/or a Royal Court.


• Trazyn the Infinite:

His fluff:


He has a special weapon whose affect happens after a round of combat in which he has killed an enemy and after all blows have been struck on both sides. Given that this is not a power weapon (and he just has 3 Attacks), it is not a sure thing that he will kill anybody in combat!

But if he does, roll a D6 for every model (friend or enemy) that has the same name on their characteristic profile as one of the models that he killed that turn. On a 4+ those models take a wound (armor/inv saves can be taken as normal).

Example: If the he kills an Ork Boy in close combat, roll for all other Boyz in the same combat, and on a 4+ those models suffer a wound, but NOT the nob (as he has a different name on his profile). It would seem that if he was fighting against another Necron player, then this rule has the potential to hurt his own forces if the same type of units were facing off; if he was attached to a unit of warriors that was fighting against an enemy unit of warriors, for example.

He is also a scoring unit (because in reality when he's 'claiming' an objective he's really seeking to claim a hidden Necron artifact nearby, it says).

Also, anytime he is removed as a casualty, roll a D6. On a 1, he is removed as normal (but would still get a chance to use Reanimation Protocols as usual I presume as he has that special rule too), but on a 2+ you randomly choose another model from all the friendly Lychguards, Crypteks, Necron Lords and Overlords on the table (not counting named versions of those) and remove that model and replace it with Trazyn, who counts as returning to play with the same amount of wounds the model he replaces had. And it even specifies that he only gives out Kill Points when he doesn't return this way.

He also has Mindshackle Scarabs (which is a piece of wargear that other character-type models in the army have access to). These allow the bearer to randomly pick one enemy model in base contact before any attacks are made in CC that turn. That model must pass a Ld test on 3D6. If it fails the test, it instead does D3 attacks on its own unit using the weapons/special rules of the Necron player's choice (if the model has different weapons or kinds of attacks).

So while not a powerhouse or a character that boosts the ability of your army, he is a HQ that is a scoring unit which can give you a few different tactical options.

Can take a Catacomb Command Barge but CANNOT take a Royal Court.

Confirmed in WD 382, his cost is 175 points.


• Necron Overlord: Generic DIY Necron Overlord (guy who rules a Tomb World) with plenty of options. Can ride on a Catacomb Command Barge and/or take a Royal Court.

Generic Overlords start with a Staff of Light (regular CC weapon that also has a 12" S5, AP3, Assault 3 shooting attack). They can exchange (and in some cases pay more points for):

• Warscythe
• Gauntlet of Fire
• Hyperhase Sword
• Voidblade

I think I've discussed all those weapon options before in other unit descriptions, so I won't bother going over them.

They also have the option to take any of the following Wargear:

• Phylactery
• Mindshackle Scarabs
• Sempiternal Weave
• Tesseract Labyrinth (one use only. choose a character or monstrous creature in base contact and instead of making CC attacks the victim must roll under its remaining wounds on a D6 or be removed as a casualty with no saves allowed).
• Tachyon Arrow
• Resurrection Orb
• Phase Shifter


• Destroyer Lord: Basically the same as an Overlord but with Preferred Enemy against everything (Destroyers now hate everybody). CANNOT take a Royal Court.

Destroyer Lords come stock with the Warscythe and have the same weapon options as the Overlord (except they can't get the Staff of Light).

The only wargear choices Destroyer Lords have are:

• Sempiternal Weave
• Mindshackle Sacarbs
• Tachyon Arrow
• Resurrection Orb



• Royal Court: 0-5 regular Necron Lords (lieutenants to the Overlords) as well as 0-5 Crypteks (can take 0-5 of either or both, for a minimum of 1 model or a maximum of 10). Crypteks are masters of Necron technology, whose abilities sometimes appear like sorcery to other races, but they do not have any psychic powers...all their abilities do not require a psychic test or anything like that (nor are they ever referred to as psychic powers in any way). Any member of the Court (Lord or Cryptek) can be split off at the start of the game to lead a unit of Warriors, Immortals, Lychguard or Deathmarks (but only one per unit).

The Royal Court does not take up a HQ slot but may only be taken one per each Overlord (including the named ones) you take in the army.

Crypteks vs. (basic) Lords in the 'Royal Court': both have more like squad leader stats then character stats (1 wound each for example) with both of their base points are in the exact same range as an IG Commissar, for example. However, all of the upgrades for these guys clock in the 5 to 45 point range (each option) with probably a 15 point median for their gear, so you can imagine that these guys will very quickly eat up your points if you give them many (or any) upgrades.

These (lesser) Lords come standard with Staff of Light but can upgrade it to (for a number points):

• Warscythe
• Gauntlet of Fire
• Hyperphase Sword
• Voidblade


And they can take any of the following gear (for a number of points):

• Sempiternal Weave
• Mindshackle Scarabs
• Tesseract Labyrinth
• Resurrection Orb
• Phase Shifter

Of all those weapons and upgrades only the Rez Orb benefits the unit. The rest of the upgrades just give the Lord extra benefits in combat or armor save.

So really, if you're looking to make the Lord improve a unit by leading it, besides adding some CC punch to the unit your only real choice is the Rez Orb and the Rez Orb is on the high end of the points scale for their wargear so it isn't exactly a steal to get a Rez Orb into a unit (which for those who aren't keeping up boosts that unit's, and only that unit's, Reanimation Protocols to a 4+).

Crypteks can be taken plain jane if you wanted (with only a Staff of Light), but if you want to upgrade them at all, then you have to select a 'discipline' that they follow. There are five disciplines to pick from and each one costs some amount of points to take, with the only benefit being that you get an upgraded weapon instead of the staff of light that fits into that discipline's role (all but one of these upgraded weapons are improved shooting attacks).

The 5 Disciplines are: Harbinger of Destruction (described as 'plasmancers', weapon is Eldritch Lance, wargear choices are Gaze of Flame & Solar Pulse), Harbinger of Eternity (able to read the future, weapon is Aeonstave, weargear choices are Chronometron & Timesplinter Cloak), Harbinger of Transmogrification (described as 'geomancers', weapon is Tremorstave, options are Seismic Crucicble & Harp of Dissonance), Harbringer of the Storm (described as 'ethermancers', weapon is Voltaic Staff, options are Ether Crystal & Lightning Field) & Harbringer of Despair (described as 'psychomancers', weapon is Abyssal Staff, options are Nightmare Shroud & Veil of Darkness).

Now, once you've chosen a discipline to upgrade to, you're allowed to give the Cryptek one (or both) of the listed wargear options. HOWEVER, the rules state that 'each of the wargear options can only be chosen once in each Royal Court'. So the only way you're going to get more than one Veil of Darkness (for example) is to take a second Royal Court and even then you're only getting a second one. So you will be able to spam these items.


Harbinger of Destruction
• Weapon: Eldritch Lance (36", S8, AP2, Assault 1)
• Potential Wargear: Gaze of Flame (Assault/Defensive Grenades for the unit) & Solar Pulse (covered in Imotekh's rules above).


Harbinger of Eternity
• Weapon: Aeonstave (a regular CC weapon except: Any model that suffers an unsaved wound from it loses 'fleet' if it has it and reduces its WS, BS, I, & A to '1' for the rest of the game).
• Potential Wargear: Chronometron (The bearer, or his unit, can re-roll a single D6 each phase) & Timesplinter Cloak (3++ save).


Harbinger of Transmogrification
• Weapon: Termorstave (36", S4, AP-, Assault 1, Blast weapon that causes an enemy unit hit by it to count as moving in difficult terrain in their next movement phase).
• Potential Wargear: Seismic Crumble (A single enemy unit picked at the start of the enemy's assault phase has its assault move reduced by D3" if attempting to assault the Cryptek's unit) & Harp of Dissonance (Unlimited Range, S6, AP-, Assault 1, Entropic).


Harbinger of the Storm
• Weapon: Voltaic Staff (12", S5, AP-, Assault 4 weapon that hits vehicles like Haywire Grenades: roll a D6 and 2-5 = glancing hit, 6 = ).
• Potential Wargear: Lightning Field (Enemy units assaulting the Cryptek's unit immediately suffer D6, S8, AP5 hits) & Ether Crystal (Any units arriving by Deep Strike within 6" of the Cryptek D6, S8, AP5 hits. If there is more than one Ether Crystal within range then you just increase the number by 1...so a total of D6+1 hits).


Harbinger of Despair
• Weapon: Abyssal Staff (Template, S8, AP1, Assault 1, roll against target's Ld instead of Toughness, does not affect vehicles).
• Potential Wargear: Nightmare Shroud (Each Necron shooting phase, pick an enemy unit within 18" and force them to take a morale test) & Veil of Darkness (Same as before but cannot be used to pull the unit out of combat).


So in general I think the basic Lord is what you take if you're trying to give the Royal Court some CC punch (or give a unit some CC punch)...besides the obvious Rez Orb choice, of course! Instead, if you're wanting to upgrade your unit to have some unique abilities and a specialty shooting weapon in it, then the Cryptek is the way to go.

Neither Lords nor Crypteks are ICs…they are assigned to a unit at the start of the game or are kept together as a Royal Court unit. The lesser Lords & Crypteks cannot take Catacomb Command Barges and they have no option to take Destroyer bodies.



DEDICATED TRANSPORTS


• Night Scythe: Fast, skimmer (not open-topped). A variant of the Doom Scythe fighter that is a 15 model flyer transport with the 'supersonic' 36" flat-out move that the new flyers (that are really skimmers) have. Can carry jump infantry models (taking up 2 spots each), Jetbike models (taking up 3 spots each) and fire all its weapons even when moving at cruising speed. Has living metal, but not quantum shielding. AV 11/11/11 like most Necron vehicles. Has a Twin-linked Tesla Destructor as its weapon.

The transport is done by a wormhole gateway on the underside, the only access point. If the Night Scythe is destroyed, the embarked unit is not deployed, but instead goes back into reserves to arrive normally (i.e. it can't deep strike even if the unit has that rule). This can suck pretty bad for an expensive unit to suddenly get sucked back into Reserves, but remember as long as you have at least one Monolith in your force, you can use its Portal to pull that unit out of Reserves at the start of your next movement phase, so it isn't all that bad!

The artwork basically just shows the craft as a crescent shaped vehicle, with barrels sticking out from underneath for the weapons. This artwork for the Night/Doom Scythe looks very similar to what you see flying in the background of some of the first wave release covers.


• Ghost Ark: Open-topped, non-fast skimmer. 10 model transport (It can only carry Necron Warriors, Lords, Overlords, Crypteks and Special Characters), AV11 with quantum shielding and living metal. Also is able to regenerate D3 Warrior models to one unit within 6" each Necron movement phase (but cannot take the unit above its starting size). Has a Gauss Flayer array (5 Flayers) on each side is allowed to fire at different enemy targets. Not entirely clear whether a weapon destroyed takes out a whole array or not, but I'm leaning towards yes. 115 points, confirmed in WD 382.


• Catacomb Command Barge: Open-topped fast skimmer that is a one-man vehicle for most ICs. AV11 with quantum shielding & living metal. Also the character can lose wounds to negate immobilized or weapon destroyed results. Also has a Tesla Cannon (which can be upgraded to a Gauss Cannon). Can make 3 sweep attacks over a single enemy unit it passes over when it moves (vehicles are hit on their back armor). These attacks hit on a 3+ at combat speed, 4+ otherwise. On a to hit roll of '6' you choose which model in the unit his hit by the attack.

When you combine this Sweep Attack with the S7 attacks most ICs have with a Warscythe (for example), this could potentially be a bit nasty…note that Trazyn's special ability to nuke all the same type of model in a unit will not work as a sweep attack because of the way it is written (he needs to be locked in combat to use it).



ELITES

• Deathmarks: 24" range rapid-fire AP 5 sniper unit that can choose to Deep Strike in immediately after any enemy unit arrives from Reserves (which just allows the enemy to fire at them first?)...teleporting in from a pocket dimension to target their prey. They can also mark a single unit as their 'target' which allows them to roll to wound on a 2+. Beautiful models from the pics leaked, but at 19 pts per model (confirmed in WD 382) I can't see them ever being used except to see those great models on the table. 5-10 in a unit and can be transported on a Night Scythe.


• Lychguard: Traditionally these have been the bodyguards for the Overlords. 5-10 in a unit. Come standard with Warscythes (+2 Strength Power weapon...there is no built-in shooting weapon on the Warscythe anymore) but the entire unit can replace their Warsythes (for 5 points more) with Hyperphase swords (power weapon) and Dispersion Shields (gives them a 4+ invuln that when passed, reflects wounds caused by shooting onto any enemy unit within 6"…does not redirect blast/templates though). They can be transported on a Night Scythe. 40 pts per model (confirmed in WD 382_.


• Triarch Ptaetorians: These used to be effectively the 'police' (my term) of the main Necron ruler (the last of which was the Silent King) to help enforce his will onto the Lords of the Empire. They are known to respect great warriors and honor valor and have sometimes ordered Necron Overlords to stop attacking a foe they deemed worthy of respect (much to the Lord's chagrin). 5-10 in a unit. They are Jump Infantry (wearing gravity displacement packs) with a 6" AP2 S5 weapon that is also a power weapon. The entire unit can swap that out for Void Blades (a weapon with Rending and the same Entriopic ability that Scarabs have) and Particle Casters (a S6 AP5 pistol weapon). No transport option. 40 pts per model (confirmed in WD 382).


• C'Tan Shard: Fluff-wise, these are shards effectively controlled by the Necron (even though they have most shards locked away in pocket dimensions). Each shard represents only a portion of the power and consciousness of the C'Tan and therefore in battle the C'Tan may not even think to utilize some of its power because the portion of it that knows it has 'X' power simply isn't there. This is essentially what explains why they only have access to 2 special abilities in battle.

Basically, the Necrons know they cannot fully destroy the C'Tan (only shatter them into shards) and are deathly afraid one of them will get their full power back together and take their revenge back on the Necrons for betraying them. So the Necrons are generally hunting down the shards and locking them in inter-dimensional prisons. However they somehow have the ability to force these shards to fight for them (presumably through the Necodermis the shards reside in), although in gameplay terms there are no additional rules to represent that the shard is essentially a prisoner.

1 per FOC slot taken. WS/BS5, S/T7, W/I/A4, Ld10, 4+ Invuln save. Each shard must take 2 of the 11 listed ability choices that basically shape what kind of C'Tan shard you're fielding. No ability can be taken more than once in the army (even if you take 3 C'Tan shards in the army). Also has Eternal Warrior and ignores all terrain penalties. Still explodes D6" when they die.

These abilities each cost a different point value (between 10 & 50 points), they are:


• Can make their CC attacks Entropic.

• Can place a large blast over themselves at the I1 step of combat and all models touched by it suffer a S3 hit with no armor saves allowed. If one or more unsaved wound is caused by this attack, the C'Tan gains a single wound back (but cannot go above its starting wound values). Kills caused by this attack do NOT count towards combat resolution.

• Can redeploy D3 units after deployment and scout moves are done, including moving units into/out of reserves.

• Make all Melta/Flamer fired within 12" basically suffer from 'gets hot' except that if a '1' is rolled then the firing model is removed automatically with no save possible. On vehicles, an exploded weapon counts as 'destroyed'.

• Make all enemy vehicles moving within 6" of the C'Tan count as moving through difficult terrain. Deep Striking units landing within 6" auto-mishap if their scatter roll is a double (regardless of whether they 'hit' or not).

• Counts as having both Assault/Defensive Grenades & Stealth.

• During the C'Tan's Initiative step pick one enemy model in base contact. That model must pass an I test or be removed with no save possible.

• Makes all difficult terrain count as dangerous for the enemy army and makes existing dangerous terrain cause wounds on '1' or '2' instead of the normal '1'.

• Shooting Attack: 24", S4, AP-, Assault 1, Large Blast

• Shooting Attack: 18", S4, AP-, Assault 8

• Shooting Attack: 24", S9, AP2, Assault 1


As awesome as some of this sounds, you have to temper that with the fact that shards are nearly 200 points with no options, and once you factor in the two manifestation upgrades, you're talking about a unit that is somewhere between 200-300 points (depending on which two manifestations you take).

Every indication I get from the codex is that you'll just use the existing models to represent C'Tan shards, because if you think about how they're described now, a 'shard' is really much closer to what the old codex's power-level was for a C'Tan.


• Flayed Ones:

Flayed Ones were an entire Tomb World 'cursed' by the C'Tan they killed with a degenerative disease that makes them go crazy and crave flesh (despite not being able to actually eat it, they try anyway). Flayed Ones are sickening to regular Necrons who are afraid they may end up like that eventually, and Flayed Ones presence on the Battlefield is not asked for (they just warp in on their own) and after the battle is over Necrons often try to hunt down and destroy any Flayed Ones they can.

3 Attacks base (and no additional CC weapons). Can infiltrate or Deep Strike. No transport options. 5-20 in a unit. They do not have any other special rules (like the 'terrifying visage' they used to have). 13 points each (confirmed in WD 382).


• Triarch Stalker: Concept Sketch shows a Triarch Praetorian sitting in an open-topped cockpit that is riding on a Necron-style giant almost scorpion walker set of legs. Very cool looking IMHO.

1 per FOC slot chosen. Has a variable heat ray (which can be upgraded to a couple of other weapons) that can either be fired as a template or as an Assault 2 S8 24" Heavy2 Melta weapon. Has a Targeting relay which means that any enemy unit hit by the Stalker gets a counter placed by it that allows all other Necron units shooting at the same unit that phase to count as being twin-linked. AV11 & open-topped, but does have Quantum shielding, Living Metal & Move Through Cover. Can upgrade its Heat Ray for a Particle Shredder or twin-linked Heavy Gauss Cannon (both of which cost more points).



TROOPS

• Warriors: You know them, you love them. Described as being basically automatons, with very little (if any) sentience.

5-20 per squad and can be transported on a Ghost Ark or Night Scythe (as long as the squad is small enough to fit into those respective transports.

They have the same basic statline they had before except they now have a 4+ save. Now before you go crazy, also note that their points cost is 13 points (confirmed in WD 382), which is almost a 1/3 price drop (down from 18 points). That means you get nearly 1/3 more Warrior models in the army for the same amount of points...it also makes losing an entire unit due to sweeping advance, not nearly as painful.

I know a lot of cynical people will hate this and accuse GW from simply making the change to sell more Warrior models, and you could be right. But personally I was always hoping they were going to make Necron Warriors not quite as tough and dump the points cost on them, so you could really take a ton of them...given in my mind they are supposed to be more like a shambling horde of undead robots than some sort of small elite force of super-warriors (but that could just be me).

So this change alone totally changes the army from out of the 'MEQ' umbrella and makes their base statline unique in the game (which is good, IMHO).


• Immortals: Immortals are said to have the ability to at least speak, but still aren't too much brighter than Warriors. These were Elite warriors of the Necrontyr before the conversion (not sure who the rank and file troops were if the Warriors were the non-combatants and the Immortals were the Elite soldiers?).

5-10 per unit. Immortals have lost their T5 (down to T4), but keep their 3+ save. However, their points cost has dropped to 17 pts a model (confirmed in WD 382), which is an 11 point drop (more than 1/3 a drop from the previous cost of 28 pts)! Can exchange their Gauss Blasters (which are now a rapid fire weapon) for Tesla Carbines (24" S5 Assault1, 'Tesla') Can be transported on a Night Scythe.





FAST ATTACK

• Canoptek Wraiths: Protectors of the Tombs while the hosts slumber.

1-6 in a unit. Jump Infantry who ignore terrain (don't take tests). Still have a 3+ invulnerable save and 3A base with Rending. 2 Wounds, but only I2. Any model can take one of a few different upgrades including a Whip Coil (nearly identical to a Tyranid Lash Whip), particle caster (S6 pistol) or a Exile Beamer (12" ranged HEAVY weapon that kills a randomly chosen model in the target unit unless it passes a Strength test). Roughly the same amount of points they used to be.


• Canoptek Scarabs: Scarabs are 15 points (confirmed in WD 382). 3-10 in a unit. They are now Fearless Swarms, have Entropic Strike as well as getting Reanimation Protocols. They are also beasts now. I can see this unit being spammed in a lot of armies because it can literally tear apart any vehicle if enough of them get into combat with it. Basically any vehicle that didn't move the previous turn that finds itself within charge range of a full Scarab squad is absolutely dead (since they have 3 Attaks, 4 on the charge and each hit reduces the vehicle's armor by 1 on a 4+)!

And even if they don't manage to wipe out a vehicle with their attacks (say they get unlucky or the swarm has been whittled down), then you're still looking at a vehicle with severely weakened armor that can then likely be taken out by any shooting unit in your army in a following shooting phase.


• Tomb Blades: Jet Bikes. From the artwork, these look like Necron warriors fused into a flying crescent throne carrying a weapon harness in their arms that is base twin-linked Tesla Carbines. The fluff says that they are pre-programmed with a bunch of different flight patterns and vectors that the onboard Warrior chooses from on the fly. this mitigates the fact that a Warrior has poor coordination, but since the programs are so advanced, in reality they act basically like any other similar unit in an enemy army despite the fact that their 'pilots' are much slower to react.

1-5 in a unit. The entire unit can upgrade their weapons (Twin-linked Tesla Carbine) to a couple different choices (twin-linked Gauss Blaster or Particle Beamer). The entire unit can take any of the 3 options: Nebuloscope (increases BS to 5), Shield Vanes (increased armor save to 3+) & Shadowloom (Stealth). No dedicated transport option (although they can embark on a Night Scythe or get teleported through a Monolith's portal).


• Destroyers: New fluff that says Destroyers are infected with some kind of degenerative virus that causes their sole purpose in life to be to kill their enemies. As such they hate everyone and have the Preferred Enemy special rule against everyone (as do Destroyer Lords).

First the good news: Destroyers have gone down to 40 points (confirmed in WD 382). The bad news is that you can only have 1-3 in a unit (yes you read that right). They are Jump Infantry now. Any model in the unit can upgrade to a Heavy Destroyer (bumping them up to 60 point each, confirmed in WD 382)…so there is no longer a separate unit for Heavy Destroyers you just choose to upgrade some or all of them within the existing Destroyer unit. The Gauss Cannon and Heavy Gauss Cannon are now Assault weapons (to correspond with Destroyers now being JI). The Gauss Cannon has had its AP improved to 3, but lost one shot (down to 2). The Heavy Gauss Cannon is effectively the same (except for being an Assault weapon).

And let's not forget, before Destroyers tended to be the only mid to long-ranged threat in the army. That doesn't have to be the case anymore so I'm guessing that it won't be quite as big a problem to have the smaller units as it would have been fielding them at that size with the old codex.



HEAVY SUPPORT

• Doomsday Ark: Variant of the Ghost Ark transport. One per FOC slot taken. Open-topped, non-fast skimmer, AV11, Quantum Shielding, Living Metal. The Doomsday cannon has two profiles, one for if the vehicle did or didn't move that turn (with the non-moving one being 72" range S9 AP1 Large Blast). The moving profile only has a 24" range and a S7 blast. Basically described as gunboat whose strategy is to hit first and destroy the enemy before they can fire back. Also has the same two Gauss Flux Arrays that the Ghost Ark does, which can be fired at different targets than each other and the Doomsday Cannon. 175 points, confirmed in WD 382.


• Annihilation Barge: Described as anti-infantry support platforms. Variant of the Catacomb Command Barge. One per FOC slot taken. Open-topped, non-fast skimmer, AV11, Quantum Shielding, Living Metal. Has a twin-linked Tesla Destructor & a Tesla Cannon, but can upgrade the cannon to a Gauss Cannon. Not exactly sure why you'd want to do that except for the extra range (36" for the Gauss Cannon as opposed to all Tesla weapons which are 24" range). 90 points, confirmed in WD 382.


• Monolith: One Monolith per FOC slot. It is a skimmer, but also a new vehicle type called 'Heavy' which means the vehicle cannot move faster than combat speed but always counts as stationary when firing.The Gaus Flux Arc on the Monolith no longer automatically hits every unit within range, instead each one fires separately and can hit four different targets (which can be different targets from the rest of its shooting). Has 4 Gauss Flux Arcs and each Arc is now just a straight up 3 shot weapon (instead of a random number of hits). Particle whip is now just a straight up S8, AP3, 24", Ordnance, large blast. Oh, and if the Monolith is put into Reserves, it must arrive via Deep Strike.

200 points now (confirmed in WD 382), which comes along with corresponding nerf in invulnerability (were you not expecting that?). Still AV 14 and still has Living Metal (although again that only helps remove Crew Stunned/Shaken now). Can still Deep Strike but apparently no longer has invulnerability from Mishaps (although in the final version of the codex this may have changed based on some of the author's comments on the GW website). The portal can be used to either transport any non-vehicle friendly Necron unit on the table (that isn't engaged in combat) through it or to suck enemy models within 6" to instant death who fail a Strength Test (one or the other can be done each shooting phase). No bonus to reanimation protocols is present when a unit goes through the Portal. The Portal can also be used to pull a unit out of reserves as well (instead of teleporting a unit on the table). A unit that is teleported through the Monolith's portal counts as disembarking from a moving vehicle (despite the fact that the portal teleportation happens before the Monolith moves).

At the end of the day, this is still an AV14 vehicle all around, which is pretty imposing in the current game. Unfortunately all of its weapons are really close range, which means it will also now tend to be in Melta range...


• Doom Scythe: Pure fighter variant of the Night Scythe. One per FOC slot taken. Non-open topped fast skimmer. AV11 with Living Metal (but no Quantum Shielding). Is supersonic (36" flat-out) and can fire all its weapons when moving at cruising speed. Has a twin-linked Tesla Destructor & a Death Ray, which allows a 3D6"; line to be drawn (with one end of the line being within 12" of the vehicle) and causes a number of hits on every unit crossed by the line equal to the number of MODELS in the unit that are under the line (so if the unit has 5 models crossed by the line, it would suffer 5 hits). Oh and did I mention that these hits are S10 AP1? Nasty indeed! And the Tesla Destructor is no slouch either! But at nearly 200 pts for an AV11 vehicle, to get within 12" to unleash this beast will probably be a bit rough.


• Tomb Spyders: The artwork makes them look much more flying and nimble, like giant Scarabs.

1-3 can be taken per FOC slot (but only together as a unit, they aren't individuals like they were in the last codex). They can now repair vehicles like a Techmarine, Big Mek, etc. Can take an anti-psychic defense against any power targeting a friendly unit within 3" (which nullifies the power on a 4+). Can still create Scarab Swarms, but only into existing swarms on the table within 6" of the Spyder creating them (the created Scarabs no longer form a unit with the Spyder) and they still take damage if they roll a '1' while doing so. Can take Whip Coils (by giving up a close combat weapon and a +1 to repair vehicles) which is like a Tyranid Lash Whip. Can take 1 or 2 Particle Beamers (by removing its CC/fixer arms) to do so. They have a WS, BS & Wounds of 3 and are slightly reduced in points, but have lost an Attack (although they do start with two CC weapons unless you upgrade the arms to other stuff).

I have been reading this rumour discussion pretty tight, but I have just come to a matter that I am a bit unclear of.

the catacomb command barge's sweeping attacks. For each sweeping attack does he then gain 3 attacks, to a total of 9 attacks, or do we simply get 3 attacks, where the first can be rolled with 3+ to hit if we have moved combat speed at that time?

Yak, where is all this info from (besides a White Dwarf and rumors)?

Ugg! Just one more army my Orks wont be able to handle anymore.
HALP!
=(

Thanks for the great organized summary, Yakface, and for answering my question about Destroyer Lords' (lack of) courts.

raknosha wrote:I have been reading this rumour discussion pretty tight, but I have just come to a matter that I am a bit unclear of.

the catacomb command barge's sweeping attacks. For each sweeping attack does he then gain 3 attacks, to a total of 9 attacks, or do we simply get 3 attacks, where the first can be rolled with 3+ to hit if we have moved combat speed at that time?

Just 3 sweep attacks total.

puma713 wrote:Yak, where is all this info from (besides a White Dwarf and rumors)?

Besides the stuff 'confirmed' by White Dwarf, these are all rumors posted by me.

I'll be converting uo some Wraiths. For those that are wondering about converting them I'll probably have a conversion guide up for what I'm going to be doing on my Blog by the end of next week. My bitz and new models should have arrived by then

My blog is in my signature. If your interested visit. If not no worries

Hulksmash wrote:I'll be converting uo some Wraiths. For those that are wondering about converting them I'll probably have a conversion guide up for what I'm going to be doing on my Blog by the end of next week. My bitz and new models should have arrived by then

My blog is in my signature. If your interested visit. If not no worries

When you get that up, if this thread is still going can you please mention here?
I'm curious how you're doing it, and I'll totally forget if not reminded.

Thanks for the info yakface, but I have a question.

It says destroyer lords are basically overlords, but does that mean you can take the royal court?

BarBoBot wrote:Thanks for the info yakface, but I have a question.

It says destroyer lords are basically overlords, but does that mean you can take the royal court?

Seriously?

Please re-read the summary.

I wonder how DashofPepper feels about these necron models/rumors?

He's always mentioned in previous posts that playing with necrons was a great thrill for him because he loved winning with an underdog army. Will that be the case, or are these new necrons looking to usurp Dark Eldar as the kings of the Xenos codices?

StringBassKnight wrote:

Anpu-adom wrote:On another note, what do people think about magnetizing the Ark? Seems like it would only be 3 large magnets or so (maybe some pinning to keep things orientated correctly, too.)

Interesting idea...

As a guy who magnetizes tons of his other armies (I already play necrons..and all my destroyers are magnetized to their bases, as are my tomb spiders), I have really been looking at this as an option.

I have to say conceptually it might be easy, but difficult to execute.

Basically there are two round connection points on the rear portion of the ark (where the pilot sits), one directly above the other.
In the Ghost ark configuration, the "spine" of the ark is connected to the bottom connection point.
The upper connection point (round disc) has nothing on it in the ghost ark configuration.

In the annihilation configuration, the "spine" of the rib cage is attached to the top connection point.
The gun, is attached to the bottom one.

So, basically you would have four parts.
1 - The pilot area, with two large connection points.
2 - The "ribcage" which is up for ghost ark, and points down for annihilation barge.
3 - The annihilation gun.
4 - the front prow, which attached to the ribcage.

It would take a combination of strong magnets and some large pins perhaps to pull this off, and this does not include having warriors in the "rib cage" section of the ghost ark config... Once I get my hand on a kit, I will see what I can come up with, and if it works, will post a video.


The rear (where the pilot sits)

Looks like a fun army to play, both against and with. The "Lord of Fire" melta/flamer thing is a lot less scary then I thought, just have to blow the crap out of the C'tan before I get within 12" then.


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tetrisphreak wrote:I wonder how DashofPepper feels about these necron models/rumors?

He's always mentioned in previous posts that playing with necrons was a great thrill for him because he loved winning with an underdog army. Will that be the case, or are these new necrons looking to usurp Dark Eldar as the kings of the Xenos codices?

It will be interesting to see who is considered "better", either Necrons or DE.

Although, mark my words, the next major tournament will be nothing but silver armies.

First off, I have to say THANK YOU to Yakface for all the info. It's made the idiocy of GW's version of marketing at least tolerable.

But I have two questions for you, Yakface:

1. Can the Lords/Cryptecs be taken singly AKA not in a court? Doesn't sound like it, but it would be useful, especially for an upcoming tournament at my FLGS.

2. The Deathmarks gun is Strength X. What defines the X?

Oh, and I have to ask for my brother. What the chance that you'll have access to this level of info on the alleged Tau codex in a few months

I'm not yakface, but I can try to answer:

1. Yes. You can take a royal court as a single lord or cryptek. Likewise, you can take multiple models in a single court, and assign all but one to other squads, leaving one lord/cryptek running solo.

2. The Deathmarks Strength X is defined by the fact that its a Sniper weapon. See your BRB for details.

Thanks Yak.

I'm disappointed (but not surprised) that the Deceiver's "Misdirect" ability is not a choice for the C'Tan powers. I thought that was one of its most useful abilities and will be very sad to see it go. I would have gladly paid the cost each time for the ability to avoid combat.

Will be interesting to see what people think is the best combo for the C'Tan now - I have my thoughts but much depends on the point costs of course.

Mez

Also - love the new site colors. Much easier to read.

chaos0xomega wrote:I'm not yakface, but I can try to answer:

1. Yes. You can take a royal court as a single lord or cryptek. Likewise, you can take multiple models in a single court, and assign all but one to other squads, leaving one lord/cryptek running solo.

I think he's asking if you can just take a Lord as an HQ choice, which would be no. You need to take an Overlord (or a model of comparable position) to be able to take a Royal Court. Think Warlocks and Farseers in the Eldar book.

So, as stated earlier, Necrons are now, more then ever, Tomb Kings in Spaaaaaace.

Thank You, Matt Ward, for taking a Decade of WHF and 40k slowly drifting in their own directions and treating it as though it all never happened.

Yak.

Do you have any idea of the stat lines and points for Nemesor Zahndrekh & his loyal bodyguard Vargard Obryon. These are what I intend as getting for my HQ choice.

The Metal Tide wrote:Yak.

Do you have any idea of the stat lines and points for Nemesor Zahndrekh & his loyal bodyguard Vargard Obryon. These are what I intend as getting for my HQ choice.

I'd put money on Nemesor having standard Overlord stats, he comes with the Wargear that provides 2+/3++ as well as a res orb, also considering his unique ability, I'd price him around 190 points.

Vargard sounds like a HQ equivalent Cryptek, so that still leaves him with Cryptek styled S4 and T4, but I'd imagine he would have 2W 2A base. Vargard also has an "uncharacteristic" (For a cryptek) 2+ armour save and a WS of 6, which is actually the highest in the army, he also gains attacks based on how many misses he takes, supported by a unique Veil of Darkness. I'd price him 170 area.

Like mentioned it's an expensive pair of characters when combined, especially since you will have trouble splitting them apart if Nemesor is assaulted, so you want him starting the fights or whoever Obyron was supporting is left all alone, could run them as a pair but it presents a fair few eggs in a single basket per se.

I'm dead keen to use these guys myself, Nemesor sounds like he belongs with a Lychguard shield squad providing them furious charge, I'm curious if you can take just Nemesor and leave Obyron out? Obyron could certainly have good uses with the Ghostwalker Mantle, but he maybe too expensive in smaller armies, and smart opponents will be able to get the assault on you and have Obyron away from whatever unit he was jumping around with.

What is getting me is the Harbinger of Transmogrification with the Harp of Dissonance. So you upgrade the Cryptek to replace his shooting weapon, and then upgrade him again to give him a choice of 2? I really hope you don't have to chose which shooting profile you use, and it is an extra independent shot.

If it can't be clarified, no worries. I'll have the codex in less than a week.

Sectiplave wrote:

The Metal Tide wrote:Yak.

Do you have any idea of the stat lines and points for Nemesor Zahndrekh & his loyal bodyguard Vargard Obryon. These are what I intend as getting for my HQ choice.

I'd put money on Nemesor having standard Overlord stats, he comes with the Wargear that provides 2+/3++ as well as a res orb, also considering his unique ability, I'd price him around 190 points.

Vargard sounds like a HQ equivalent Cryptek, so that still leaves him with Cryptek styled S4 and T4, but I'd imagine he would have 2W 2A base. Vargard also has an "uncharacteristic" (For a cryptek) 2+ armour save and a WS of 6, which is actually the highest in the army, he also gains attacks based on how many misses he takes, supported by a unique Veil of Darkness. I'd price him 170 area.

Like mentioned it's an expensive pair of characters when combined, especially since you will have trouble splitting them apart if Nemesor is assaulted, so you want him starting the fights or whoever Obyron was supporting is left all alone, could run them as a pair but it presents a fair few eggs in a single basket per se.

I'm dead keen to use these guys myself, Nemesor sounds like he belongs with a Lychguard shield squad providing them furious charge, I'm curious if you can take just Nemesor and leave Obyron out? Obyron could certainly have good uses with the Ghostwalker Mantle, but he maybe too expensive in smaller armies, and smart opponents will be able to get the assault on you and have Obyron away from whatever unit he was jumping around with.

Vargard Obyron does not take up a HQ slot if in the same army as Zahndrekh.

Judging by the above statement, sounds to me as though 'IF in the same army' would mean that he doesnt have to be in the same army as Zahndrekh. It also sounds to me that Obryon can be taken on his own also, but I may be looking into it too deep. So if I had to put my money on if Zahndrekh can be taken on his own I would be leaning towards YES.

Reply to Metal Tide;

Yeah I think the wording does support that, I hope that is the case as I would prefer a Triarch stalker over Obyron to be fair, I think they will be a very useful unit to really make Necron shooting as effective and reliable, it's like a Necronized Vulkan He'stan of sorts

Forgeworld Tomb Stalker would be a fair substitute model in my eyes, or maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to buy one

Trozen wrote:What is getting me is the Harbinger of Transmogrification with the Harp of Dissonance. So you upgrade the Cryptek to replace his shooting weapon, and then upgrade him again to give him a choice of 2? I really hope you don't have to chose which shooting profile you use, and it is an extra independent shot.

If it can't be clarified, no worries. I'll have the codex in less than a week.

Pretty sure harp is a one shot. If it isnt than you lose the regular weapon for him. Since you can only buy upgrades once per court I doubt you will even see the harp much.

Sectiplave wrote:

I'm dead keen to use these guys myself, Nemesor sounds like he belongs with a Lychguard shield squad providing them furious charge.

This would mean that he would be foot slogging or in a transport right? And I guessing that his rule to deep strike a unit from reserve would only really work for Praetorians, since the unit has to have the deepstrike rule.


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Sectiplave wrote:Reply to Metal Tide;

Yeah I think the wording does support that, I hope that is the case as I would prefer a Triarch stalker over Obyron to be fair, I think they will be a very useful unit to really make Necron shooting as effective and reliable, it's like a Necronized Vulkan He'stan of sorts

Forgeworld Tomb Stalker would be a fair substitute model in my eyes, or maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to buy one

I would love to buy a tomb stalker. That model is just magnificent. Too bad they didn't put it in the codex ae. As for using it as a Triarch stalker I don't think it will work judging that it is rumored to look like a Praetorian sitting on a giant scorpion which sounds like the best looking model I could ever think of.

Hox wrote:

Trozen wrote:What is getting me is the Harbinger of Transmogrification with the Harp of Dissonance. So you upgrade the Cryptek to replace his shooting weapon, and then upgrade him again to give him a choice of 2? I really hope you don't have to chose which shooting profile you use, and it is an extra independent shot.

If it can't be clarified, no worries. I'll have the codex in less than a week.

Pretty sure harp is a one shot. If it isnt than you lose the regular weapon for him. Since you can only buy upgrades once per court I doubt you will even see the harp much.

You probably are right in that it is a one shot. If you can fire it each turn though, I could find several uses for it even if I only have one in my army.

Wreckoning wrote:First off, I have to say THANK YOU to Yakface for all the info. It's made the idiocy of GW's version of marketing at least tolerable.

But I have two questions for you, Yakface:

1. Can the Lords/Cryptecs be taken singly AKA not in a court? Doesn't sound like it, but it would be useful, especially for an upcoming tournament at my FLGS.

2. The Deathmarks gun is Strength X. What defines the X?

Oh, and I have to ask for my brother. What the chance that you'll have access to this level of info on the alleged Tau codex in a few months

1) You can only take a Royal Court if you take an Overlord (or comparable named character), but then once you do you can freely split the models off from the Court to lead other units at the start of the game.

2) Yeah, 'X' is because it is a sniper weapon.

BaronIveagh wrote:So, as stated earlier, Necrons are now, more then ever, Tomb Kings in Spaaaaaace.

Thank You, Matt Ward, for taking a Decade of WHF and 40k slowly drifting in their own directions and treating it as though it all never happened.

To blame Mat Ward for the direction the Necrons have taken is like blaming a quarterback for a football loss. Just because he's the most visible person on the team, doesn't mean he made any of the decisions. The entire team, from artists, to sculptors, to writers, to rules developers all decided what direction to take the Necrons.

And yes, they actually decided to make a race that is nuanced and interesting with cultural backstory that affects their behavior, etc.

Trozen wrote:What is getting me is the Harbinger of Transmogrification with the Harp of Dissonance. So you upgrade the Cryptek to replace his shooting weapon, and then upgrade him again to give him a choice of 2? I really hope you don't have to chose which shooting profile you use, and it is an extra independent shot.

If it can't be clarified, no worries. I'll have the codex in less than a week.

It seems as though you get to keep the weapon AND get the harp of dissonance and would just pick which one you wanted to fire each turn (and no, its not a one shot weapon).

Sectiplave wrote:

The Metal Tide wrote:Yak.

Do you have any idea of the stat lines and points for Nemesor Zahndrekh & his loyal bodyguard Vargard Obryon. These are what I intend as getting for my HQ choice.

I'd put money on Nemesor having standard Overlord stats, he comes with the Wargear that provides 2+/3++ as well as a res orb, also considering his unique ability, I'd price him around 190 points.

Vargard sounds like a HQ equivalent Cryptek, so that still leaves him with Cryptek styled S4 and T4, but I'd imagine he would have 2W 2A base. Vargard also has an "uncharacteristic" (For a cryptek) 2+ armour save and a WS of 6, which is actually the highest in the army, he also gains attacks based on how many misses he takes, supported by a unique Veil of Darkness. I'd price him 170 area.

Like mentioned it's an expensive pair of characters when combined, especially since you will have trouble splitting them apart if Nemesor is assaulted, so you want him starting the fights or whoever Obyron was supporting is left all alone, could run them as a pair but it presents a fair few eggs in a single basket per se.

I'm dead keen to use these guys myself, Nemesor sounds like he belongs with a Lychguard shield squad providing them furious charge, I'm curious if you can take just Nemesor and leave Obyron out? Obyron could certainly have good uses with the Ghostwalker Mantle, but he maybe too expensive in smaller armies, and smart opponents will be able to get the assault on you and have Obyron away from whatever unit he was jumping around with.

Both Obyron & Zahndrekh are HQ choices, but Obyron does not take up a slot if included in the same army as Zahndrekh.

They both have Overlord-level stats, although Obyron just has an abnormally high (for a Necron) WS.