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Does a ridden monster and its rider count as a single model for gaming purposes, or two separate models sharing a single base?

Two reasons I ask this:

1) Ridden monsters getting hit by mega spells like dwellers or pit of shades. If its the single model hypothesis, then a single test is taken on the highest characteristic. If using the two models hypothesis, each would take individual tests on their own respective stats.

2) War Altar and healing hand. Seen this debated a lot, but I am still not convinced on an answer. Lots of people say it only heals the Arch Lector. If you are using the single model hypothesis, then even though the spell only targets characters or champions, it states "the model" (the Arch Lector and his chariot being a single model) would heal all lost wounds in the battle, thus both the Lector and the Altar would heal full wounds. Using the two model hypothesis, then only the Arch Lector would be healed.

1) it is a single model with 2 seperate profiles.

If its forced to take a test of some kind only one test is made. You use which ever characteristic is higher, so you could use the dragons Strength while using its rider's inititive.

See page 10 for details.


2) The power says Model, so it would effect both the Lector and the Altar as they are a single model with split profile.

Any rulebook reference stating a ridden monster is treated as a single model?

*edit* Just found this on page 105 "As a single model, the monster and its rider are considered to be a single target.".

Man i never had a chance to show my experiese on this matter

On a related topic, where does it say that a cannonball hits both mount and rider? I always thought that was a terribly powerful ability.

The cannon rules(P113) and the Ridden Monster rules(P105)

So if a template hits a ridden monster all parts are considered hit. So in the case of a vortex or pit of shades all parts of the model need to test. So which characteristic is used for each part. Their own individually or the highest for both.

For example. Star Dragon + high elf prince. Is it two tests at i8 or one at i8 and one at i2

One test uzing the highest / best stat

HoverBoy wrote:1. The "Templaes" rule explains what happens when a character on a monster is hit by a template.
2. This replaces the 2nd step of the "Shooting at Ridden Monsters rules" whenever a template is involved thus eliminating the randomising rules.
3. It is then followed by step 3 the wounding rules.
4. Purple Sun/Pit of Shades are spells that use templates and thus hit both the rider and his mount.
5. These spells however do not wound but cause a characteristic test, one per model.
6. These hits would mean two tests, but this would brake rule example 5, because a character and his monster are one model.
Conclusion – We have no choice but to make one test using the rules as given on page 10.