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Regular Dakkanaut




Did a search and checked a few FAQs couldn't find any clarification.
I ran into this today during a game against a VC player using the new rules.
We had a minor disagreement over the maximum distance at which Vargheists must test for frenzy.

Is the maximum distance a flying charge of 22" or a standard charge of 18"?

He argued that the flyer rule indicates a flying charge is optional and that frenzy doesn't specify that the unit must use its best possible charge, and I argued that frenzy simply requires that one potentially make a charge, and that his vargheists -could- potentially charge a unit 22" away and as a consequence had to test from that distance.

Thanks for any help.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






UK

Whilst Frenzy does not outright require a unit to make the longest charge available to it, it does specify that if a unit 'could' charge, then it must, and a flier 'can' charge a unit using its flier charge if that unit is in range, therefore it must.

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Agreed. "Could" implies the best of all possible situations, and if one of those situations is better than the others, you're forced to choose it.

 
   
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Scribe of Dhunia






Frenzy causes the unit to have to charge if one is possible and within charge distance. As fliers have an actual charge range of up to 2D6+10, they can have a charge up to 22"

Pure the rules of frenzy, they must declare a charge at an enemy unit if they are within 22" although you could always try and restrain and not be forced to charge.
   
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Excellent. I was pretty sure I was spot on with my interpretation of the rule.

I was trying to get him to charge into a big unit of slaves and I had inched them just within (what I thought) was range to force a check.
He was out of Ld range and he had failed his check but then re-measured and claimed that it was too far, hence the disagreement.
   
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Killer Klaivex




Oceanside, CA

Which is why experienced players run Vargheists backwards on turn one.
Units of flyers are skirmishers, skirmishers free reform.

So deploy backwards, and advance making sure you don't face the enemy. Once in a good spot, then you turn to face the enemy.

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