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**Kanluwen**

The Hardcase is definitely wearing a cowboy hat.

The Foxtrot that is in this boxed set? Boonie hat.

**GrimDork**

Yeah I redacted my comment on that, I was hallucinating people calling the fishing/utility hat a cowboy hat I think. Hardcase 100% has a cowboy hat but he's also got a bow. In the space/future. I'm gonna call him Daryl.

Is that what you call those fishing/utility hats? Boonie hats? Huh. Been wearing one version or another for work for *years* and never realized they had a name.

**Sinful Hero**

Red Harvest wrote:
They're here...

Spoiler:

Oh wow. That's all I've got. Just wow.
Have a great Independence Day

Photo credits to Robot_Jones from the official Infinity Forum.

A lot of really nice stuff in there. Especially like the dismounted biker and terrain.

**Kanluwen**

GrimDork wrote:
Yeah I redacted my comment on that, I was hallucinating people calling the fishing/utility hat a cowboy hat I think. Hardcase 100% has a cowboy hat but he's also got a bow. In the space/future. I'm gonna call him Daryl.

You just mistook the conversation for including the contents of the box.

Is that what you call those fishing/utility hats? Boonie hats? Huh. Been wearing one version or another for work for *years* and never realized they had a name.

It actually has an interesting history, from what I saw after on a whim hitting it up on Wikipedia.

I've always known they're called "boonie hats" but never knew why!

The boonie hat was introduced to the United States Armed Forces during the Vietnam War, when U.S. Army Green Berets began wearing them in the field, along with Australian and Army of the Republic of Vietnam units. These leopard spot or tigerstripe boonie hats were locally procured, the camo cloth was usually salvaged from other uniform items or with the former from a parachute or made up by the tailor. The name is derived from "boonie", the abbreviated form of boondocks (itself originally American military slang derived from Tagalog bundok, "mountain", during the Philippine-American War).

In 1967, the U.S. Army began issuing boonie hats, as the "Hat, Jungle, with Insect Net", made of cotton and wind-resistant poplin, in olive drab, tigerstripe, and ERDL pattern. It was meant to supplement and replace the patrol and baseball caps that had been in service since World War II. As the U.S. military evolved away from a garrison mentality, the boonie hat found a permanent place as part of the uniform of all services. The boonie hat has changed little through the decades since the Vietnam War and was used in the Iraq War and still in the War in Afghanistan as an alternative to the patrol cap. The U.S. military boonie hat has come in a variety of camouflage patterns; the current assortment includes Woodland, three-color desert, UCP, MultiCam, and both desert and woodland versions of MARPAT, as well as the Air Force ABU pattern. The boonie hat is often worn with the wearer's rank insignia pinned to the front, above the branch loops.

**tommse**

Is this a limited release?

**Kanluwen**

As of yet, that part is unknown.

I DID get an answer from Koni, their community manager, in regards to whether you could preorder from just them or their affiliates:

You'll be able to preorder at our online store.................or at your FLGS from monday on.

**cincydooley**

Why do people have such a problem with the cowboy hats and revolvers?

**ski2060**

Mmmmm... I do believe the pre-order runs from Monday the 6th until GenCon ends.

Man, gonna have to pull the money outta thin air for this one. Seeing as today is my Birthday and all, I think I shall treat myself after having had such a crappy year.

Now... FLGS or Online...

And I love all the models. I cannot wait to see the rules for them. I think Koni or Carlos said the profiles will be shown this week during the BoW Infinity week.

**Kanluwen**

cincydooley wrote:
Why do people have such a problem with the cowboy hats and revolvers?

Since I can only speak for myself...

It's not a question of "having a problem with the cowboy hats and revolvers", but rather it's a question of having a problem with the idea of the entire Sectorial being defined by cowboy hats and revolvers.

A large number of European posters on the official forums when it was announced that USAriadna was coming wanted the whole Sectorial to be guys wearing dusters, with cowboy hats, six-shooters and things like that.

**cincydooley**

Kanluwen wrote:

A large number of European posters on the official forums when it was announced that USAriadna was coming wanted the whole Sectorial to be guys wearing dusters, with cowboy hats, six-shooters and things like that.

Ahhh...

Yeah, I wouldn't want the whole sectorial to be like that, no more than I'd want the whole french sectorial to be standing around with their hands up.

I do like the hats on a few select models.

**Kanluwen**

Personally? I would rather that the Hardcase had a baseball cap or a boonie hat--seeing as how he's supposed to be a frontiersman, not a rancher.

**Mr.Church13**

Kanluwen wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Why do people have such a problem with the cowboy hats and revolvers?

Since I can only speak for myself...

It's not a question of "having a problem with the cowboy hats and revolvers", but rather it's a question of having a problem with the idea of the entire Sectorial being defined by cowboy hats and revolvers.

A large number of European posters on the official forums when it was announced that USAriadna was coming wanted the whole Sectorial to be guys wearing dusters, with cowboy hats, six-shooters and things like that.

I'm all for that. CB just needs to fund the alternate take on USARIADNA on the kickstarter.

**Kanluwen**

Please no. Don't give them any more ideas.

Their "Bootleg" range was supposed to cover the silliness, but that range seems to have wildly failed.

**cincydooley**

Kanluwen wrote:
Please no. Don't give them any more ideas.

Their "Bootleg" range was supposed to cover the silliness, but that range seems to have wildly failed.

I did not contribute to that failure

**Alpharius**

Probably due to the fact that there wasn't enough Coke and Donuts!

**Third_Age_of_Baggz**

Kanluwen wrote:

The Hardcase is definitely wearing a cowboy hat.

The Foxtrot that is in this boxed set? Boonie hat.

YUP YUP! I want 2 of these!

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They're better than I thought they would be. Good Job CB!

I'll be pre-ordering this Monday 4 shore!

**Tamwulf**

A cowboy hat and tactical bow... wow.

I'm luvin' the Dog Soldier with the big knife and revolver.

Yeah, this set pretty much screams USA Stereotype. Not that it's a bad thing, but if they continue, then they need a guy wearing a wife beater, cigarette in his mouth, can of beer in one hand, and a shotgun in the other. Oh, and he needs a pot belly.

What else? Umm... Rambo! Where's the guy in a black tank top, black pants and boots, with a huge HMG firing it one handed? Oh, and he needs a huge knife and a tactical bow.

I concur that they need at least one guy wearing a baseball cap.

**Bladerunner2019**

Knight wrote:
Bladerunner2019 wrote:

Its an argument to flesh out on another thread. And I'm sure there are many of them.
In short...
It was pretty clear to me. From Carlos in the BoW videos:
1: Preorder O:I and you get the CSU lady.

This information was clearly conveyed. You're missing the problem that occurred after it was known that pre-orders are greater than initial printed copies. New and interested people frequently asked on forums and no official feedback* was given, if they'll be able to receive LE along with their pre-order. Carlos later stated that people will receive LE with their pre-order, however he didn't say they're going to print more of them.

However, who here would NOT buy it because they were so very disappointed with Operation: Icestorm?

I hope you won't take silence as answer to your question. Those that considered it a catastrophic failure are probably doing other interests. If you are forgiving to their time delays, it's rather unreasonable to expect all others would be too.

* to my knowledge and this only applies to international forum.

So is anyone still so disappointed with the release of Icestorm that they won't preorder this?
Who am I kidding we'll all lap this up like hungry dog soldiers and ask for more. Only those of us dead set against starting an new ariadna collection won't touch it.
It's the same amount of product in a new box, just not meant for 2 players.

I wonder if we'll see more of these in the coming years for each new sectorial? Or if this was a one time effort to cash in on the explosion of the American player base?

**Noir**

Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Knight wrote:
Bladerunner2019 wrote:

Its an argument to flesh out on another thread. And I'm sure there are many of them.
In short...
It was pretty clear to me. From Carlos in the BoW videos:
1: Preorder O:I and you get the CSU lady.

This information was clearly conveyed. You're missing the problem that occurred after it was known that pre-orders are greater than initial printed copies. New and interested people frequently asked on forums and no official feedback* was given, if they'll be able to receive LE along with their pre-order. Carlos later stated that people will receive LE with their pre-order, however he didn't say they're going to print more of them.

However, who here would NOT buy it because they were so very disappointed with Operation: Icestorm?

I hope you won't take silence as answer to your question. Those that considered it a catastrophic failure are probably doing other interests. If you are forgiving to their time delays, it's rather unreasonable to expect all others would be too.

* to my knowledge and this only applies to international forum.

So is anyone still so disappointed with the release of Icestorm that they won't preorder this?
Who am I kidding we'll all lap this up like hungry dog soldiers and ask for more. Only those of us dead set against starting an new ariadna collection won't touch it.
It's the same amount of product in a new box, just not meant for 2 players.

I wonder if we'll see more of these in the coming years for each new sectorial? Or if this was a one time effort to cash in on the explosion of the American player base?

Still don't get where you see all disappointment with O:IS. We were pointing out a 2 player starter wasn't likely or needed to grow the game right now. Not that O:IS didn't sell like hotcakes, we all know how great it sold.

**Kanluwen**

Noir wrote:
Bladerunner2019 wrote:

So is anyone still so disappointed with the release of Icestorm that they won't preorder this?
Who am I kidding we'll all lap this up like hungry dog soldiers and ask for more. Only those of us dead set against starting an new ariadna collection won't touch it.
It's the same amount of product in a new box, just not meant for 2 players.

I wonder if we'll see more of these in the coming years for each new sectorial? Or if this was a one time effort to cash in on the explosion of the American player base?

Still don't get where you see all disappointment with O:IS. We were pointing out a 2 player starter wasn't likely or needed to grow the game right now. Not that O:IS didn't sell like hotcakes, we all know how great it sold.

His post is dealing with the issues that cropped up in regards to Icestorm and preordering, not the fact that this wasn't a 2 player starter...

**ski2060**

I don't see where there are really any stereotypes of the US in the box set.

It's a futuristic infantry force, for sure. Werewolves, indiginouse wolf people, and slightly higher tech infantry, but no stereotypes.

You'd need to include the aforementioned wifebeater shirt, baseball hat wearing drunkard with a beer in one hand and a shotgun in the other to reach that.
You'd also need a small audio device like in audio birthday cards that has something loud and obnoxious, like "Hold my beer, and watch this!" to scream stereotype.

I really don't get where some of you reach to pull objections from.

**ImAGeek**

That's the point, people are happy that there aren't stereotypes, when it would've been really easy to do so.

**Zatsuku**

So will we be seeing a box like this for more factions?

**Bladerunner2019**

Would it be safe to assume that the USAriadna starter is then 3 grunts, a foxtrot, a minuteman, and a marauder?

**Barzam**

Zatsuku wrote:
So will we be seeing a box like this for more factions?

God, I hope not. For those of us with the compulsion to "catch 'em all," these make things very expensive. I like to spread my purchases out over a period of time, cherry picking what I want. If the're determined to do boxes like these, I just hope they spread them out to be every other year at least, rather than doing one every year.

**ski2060**

ImAGeek wrote:
That's the point, people are happy that there aren't stereotypes, when it would've been really easy to do so.

Did you not see Tamwulfs' post saying that this box is full of stereotypes?

As far as the regular starter? Yeah, I could see the contents being " 3 grunts, a foxtrot, a minuteman, and a marauder"

**Dentry**

Barzam wrote:
Well dammit CB, I'm gonna have to order this, aren't I? I don't see a single thing in there that I don't like.

Exactly my sentiments. I don't mind the occasional cowboy hat or six shooter, though.

Alpharius wrote:
This going to cost the same as ICESTORM, isn't it?

Slightly less excited about this now (thanks), but I'll deal.

**ImAGeek**

ski2060 wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
That's the point, people are happy that there aren't stereotypes, when it would've been really easy to do so.

Did you not see Tamwulfs' post saying that this box is full of stereotypes?

As far as the regular starter? Yeah, I could see the contents being " 3 grunts, a foxtrot, a minuteman, and a marauder"

Apparantly not haha.

**Killionaire**

It may well cost as much as Icestorm now that I think of it. I didn't really think it would since it had fewer models but..

Icestorm had 15, this has... 8 human-size, 1 bike, 1 Dog-Warrior, 1 Antipode. Total of 11.

However, of those 11, 3 are extra-large and roughly cost 1.5x as much for similar models. Meaning we've got '14.5' worth of models.

Seems about right for Icestorm cost then. Which is still a fine deal.

**Erasoketa**

GrimDork wrote:
I dunno the werewolf's (sorry not up to date on the whole antipode/dogface/dogwarrior/whatever, anyone care to explain the specifics?)

Antipodes are the dog alien creatures, dog faces are the guys who turn into werewolves, and dog warriors are the same guys when they are changed into werewolves.