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I originally watched Event Horizon years ago, but I recently got a DVD of it, and I realized that the film could easily have occurred in Ancient Terra (by 40k standards), with the ship traveling through the warp before the Geller Field was developed, resulting the in nightmarish events of the movie. After searching through the internet, I discovered many people thought so too, so I wonder, how many on Dakka agree/disagree, and what are your thoughts about it?

I thought so too

Great film enjoyed watching it



Heads up some people proberly haven't watched it before so be sure to add spoilers

Its more Lovecraftian than 40K, don't get me wrong, you could shoe horn it in to fit. For me its the time line problem. In the 40K TL that sort of thing wasn't happing untill the 15k to 19K year mark, EH is set 3K so...

The reality stasis field (always preferd that name) stops the ship and every thing in it being turned in to the very stuff of the warp as matter can not exsit there, at all, no exceptions. EVER!

Also the EH uses a gravaty displacement drive that is nothing more than a black hole in a box (good idea that I know ), the IoM don't use those, in fact i don't think it's mentioned any where that even at the hight of mans powers could they bottle a black hole...

Mechwarrior, and quite afew others at a push could be added to the list of universes that could also be part of the 40K-vers

Remember man has lost alot of its knolage, maybe they had jumpdrives like in Startship Troopers and Mechwarrior (slow and short ranged ie; 100 ly range, takes reems of data to plot jump points but it is stable and safer).

Mind you what would the Ad Mech make of her and how would she act to them?

Ribon Fox wrote:

Also the EH uses a gravaty displacement drive that is nothing more than a black hole in a box (good idea that I know ), the IoM don't use those, in fact i don't think it's mentioned any where that even at the hight of mans powers could they bottle a black hole...

Tangent: In the recent Forge World Badab War books, the Red Scorpions gut the gravitational centre of a star and throw the stellar core at a planetary defense station as a weapon. To even hit just a space station instead of .. well.. the entire planet along with its planetary neighbours, it'd likely need to be compressed to a level nearly equalling a compressed dwarf-star close to a gravitational singularity. Also, gutting a star, stealing its core and not upsetting the gravitational symmetry and balance of the very same star system implies an ability of fine-balancing and manipulation that goes far beyond "simple" compression of stars into black holes or the containment of the latter.

Oh, and it is mentioned the Red Scorpions only opted for this amazing feat of stellar engineering because they were low re-enforcements, and "proper" weapons were in short supply. Black-holes are presumably the Marines "duct-tape" solution once Boarding Marines and Las-cutters run out.

Of course, it could just be an example of the harebrained idiocy that defines FW-writing, but taken at face value, the IoM certainly has the technology to play with black holes and then some.

Well thats an exaple of them creating an uncontroled gravametric sink hole, they didn't have it in a premade box did they (would love to see the insturction manule on that ).

Event Horizon has two things that relates to Warhammer 40K; The concept of travelling through another dimension to exceed speed-of-light travel, and the elongated shape of the title vessel.

That is not enough for me to call it "40K'ish".

Event horizon is a lot more like Doom 3 or Dead Space than 40k.

I wouldn't say it was anything like 40k, tbh

I don't think the OP meant that it was a movie representing 40K itself (no space marines showing up or something like that). But kind of a glimpse of the history of the 40K universe. Think of it like the first few steps for humankind (of the 40K universe) into traveling through space. And they inadvertently discover that traveling the way the Event Horizon did was actually their discovery of the Warp (as it is depicted in 40K).

I always considered Starship Troopers to be the unofficial Warhammer 40k movie.

Jimsolo wrote:I always considered Starship Troopers to be the unofficial Warhammer 40k movie.

Not enough skulls. At least Event Horizon had a gothic-esque theme to the main ship.

Which, by the way, always created a sort of disconnect for me. I really enjoy the movie, but what whack-job in the (in-universe) design team for the starship decided, 'You know, forget 'practicality' on the first starship to use faster-than-light travel, let's get some spires and creepy gak up in here'?

The Event Horizon is clearly a Slannesh daemonship.

infinite_array wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:I always considered Starship Troopers to be the unofficial Warhammer 40k movie.

Not enough skulls. At least Event Horizon had a gothic-esque theme to the main ship.

Which, by the way, always created a sort of disconnect for me. I really enjoy the movie, but what whack-job in the (in-universe) design team for the starship decided, 'You know, forget 'practicality' on the first starship to use faster-than-light travel, let's get some spires and creepy gak up in here'?

you know, that's one thing that has always bugged me about every spaceship ever made... For every single starship that has no atmospheric entry capability, the most efficient design would be a sphere, in a volume:surface area ratio sense of the word. I've only ever seen 2 book/movies that have that stand: Titan AE, and the Prince Roger books by Ringo and Weber...

what about this then?

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I'm afraid I've never heard of that. Sounds good though.

What was that one movie where they were stuck on a ship going to another planet and they have to fight those mutant things that look like genestealers and in the end it turned out they weren't in space but in the ocean, already on the planet they were going to? That felt like warhammer.

CuddlySquig wrote:I'm afraid I've never heard of that. Sounds good though.

What was that one movie where they were stuck on a ship going to another planet and they have to fight those mutant things that look like genestealers and in the end it turned out they weren't in space but in the ocean, already on the planet they were going to? That felt like warhammer.

Sounds like Pandorum
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1188729/

That could be part of the 40K-vers.

I suppose you could go as far as comparing the nightmarish hell dimension that the crew are exposed to as being akin to the 40k warp, the perils and the effect of a ship without the protection of the geller field.

The only thing resembling 40k is that ship that use it's engines to travel trough another dimension to reach the other solar system. What happened after that is exactly what would happened if you entered Warp, that professor was clearly influenced by Chaos Gods to bring them sacrifices so that they can reward him.

I would say that this movie could represent the early mankind in 40k universe and their beginning in experimenting with Warp engines.

Hmmm... nope, CuddlySquig.

Event Horizon is about



Yes, it's vaguely 40k-ish. It might be drawing inspiration from the game we know and love. But then, scriptwriter Philip Eisner is also credited with the script for the Mutant Chronicles movie... And, as many of you know, Mutant Chronicles and 40k share some common ground, to put it kindly

Veerhoeven's Starship Troopers may be inspired by 40k, in both looks and feel. Though the source material predates 40k by four decades, switching the tech-using bugs and power armored mobile infantry for rough equivalents of the Tyranids and the Imperial Guard is intriguing to say the least. Also, the humor: Deliciously over the top while played with a straight face. That's a all over the place in 40k, while completely absent from Heinlein's original.

On a different note, I've just finished reading China Mièville's Embassytown. The means of interstellar travel described in this book bear a striking resemblance to "our" warp: Ships fly through the Immer, a layer of unreality below "the everyday", the material universe. And the Immer is not without its daemons, too. In a scene, an immer-thing of sorts hacks its way into a MIAB, an unmanned cargo ship. When the crews open the ship for inspection, carnage ensues.

But then, a lauded sci-fantasy writer borrowing inspiration from a lowly miniatures game? Naaaah!

I think the Mutant Cronicles were a little more 40kish than Event Horizon.

I too came to a similar conclusion as the OP a few years ago.

DeffDred wrote:I think the Mutant Cronicles were a little more 40kish than Event Horizon.

Not surprising. The Mutant Chronicles movie is based on an RPG developed by Target Games in the early 90s. The same company would later release Warzone, a skirmish level wargame.

I used to play Warzone back in the day (97 to 99, I think). Their background bore more than a passing resemblance to 40k. The Mutant Chronicles had their own brand of Chaos (The Dark Symmetry), along with their mandatory Chaos Gods, the Dark Apostles. They also had some sort of Ecclesiarchy/Inquisition analogues.

A 40k ripoff? Hard to say. By the time TMC was published, Rogue Trader had been around for awhile. But then, by 1993 not all core concepts of 40k had been fully fleshed out. Some even go to say it was GW who actually borrowed some ideas from Target. Anyways, the issue is still a source of heated arguments between my friends.

I confess I never cared too much about the fluff, but the rules were a delight and it was a real blast to play.

I thought the same when I saw Event Horizon. The small glimpses of what happend to the crew when it went into the warp, is what I imagine happens when a 40k vessels geller field does down.

airmang wrote:I don't think the OP meant that it was a movie representing 40K itself (no space marines showing up or something like that). But kind of a glimpse of the history of the 40K universe. Think of it like the first few steps for humankind (of the 40K universe) into traveling through space. And they inadvertently discover that traveling the way the Event Horizon did was actually their discovery of the Warp (as it is depicted in 40K).

Precisely. I never said Event Horizon was set in 40k, but rather before it, specifically before the Dark Age of Technology, when the Geller Field wasn't developed yet.

DarknessEternal wrote:The Event Horizon is clearly a Slannesh daemonship.

More like Chaos Undivided...Slaanesh didn't exist yet at the movie's time.

Ribon Fox wrote:

CuddlySquig wrote:I'm afraid I've never heard of that. Sounds good though.

What was that one movie where they were stuck on a ship going to another planet and they have to fight those mutant things that look like genestealers and in the end it turned out they weren't in space but in the ocean, already on the planet they were going to? That felt like warhammer.

Sounds like Pandorum
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1188729/

That could be part of the 40K-vers.

Can't be. Wasn't Earth destroyed in Pandorum?

How has no one mentioned "The Chronicles of Riddick"? Not a great film, but probably the film that comes closest to the 40k look and feel.

As to the suggestion that 40k influenced the movie starship troopers, there's really not much evidence of that. Far more likley that the ST movie was influenced by the original source material and the Aliens series of movies.

No.
I mean, it shares some similar tropes but i don't think it is...

The film shares some themes and imagery with Warhammer 40,000, and, perhaps more significantly, did so at a time before the whole "gothic future" schtick had become particularly identifiable in mainstream culture. It would, however, probably be more accurate just to say that both draw from similar influences: principally gloomy New Worlds sci-fi and old-fashioned Lovecraftian horror.

The builders of the ship were certainly channeling 40k design philosophy in that they apparently decided that it needed to be as creepy as possible in its internal design. Even with all systems running normally and good lighting that thing would be a nightmare to spend a lot of time on, and that is before it went into the warp or whatever,

Panopticon wrote:The builders of the ship were certainly channeling 40k design philosophy in that they apparently decided that it needed to be as creepy as possible in its internal design. Even with all systems running normally and good lighting that thing would be a nightmare to spend a lot of time on, and that is before it went into the warp or whatever,

Still. Would just be "convention" of horror movies. Just in Space. 1979's Alien also worked alot with "ship-design" to create a brooding, dark athmosphere. It is, in essence, just the translation of earth-bound horror/monster-movies employing dark scary houses, castles, forests, etc... It's simply more difficult to create a chilling, fearful athmosphere as they were going for, if the set (i.e. the ship) had been designed in all-out friendly pastell-colours. And if your theme is to go with "hell", rather than "biomechanical", to flavour your horror, than "gothic" kinda automatically enters the design choices. Just watch about any "non-Space" horror-movie about Hell and Occult evils. You'll also find lots of stone-gargoyles, gothical arches, etc..,etc..

It is more like DOOM to be honest.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:It is more like DOOM to be honest.

AHHH! Be gone...that said there was only one good bit in doom and that was the FPS bit

Zweischneid wrote:

Panopticon wrote:The builders of the ship were certainly channeling 40k design philosophy in that they apparently decided that it needed to be as creepy as possible in its internal design. Even with all systems running normally and good lighting that thing would be a nightmare to spend a lot of time on, and that is before it went into the warp or whatever,

Still. Would just be "convention" of horror movies. Just in Space. 1979's Alien also worked alot with "ship-design" to create a brooding, dark athmosphere. It is, in essence, just the translation of earth-bound horror/monster-movies employing dark scary houses, castles, forests, etc... It's simply more difficult to create a chilling, fearful athmosphere as they were going for, if the set (i.e. the ship) had been designed in all-out friendly pastell-colours. And if your theme is to go with "hell", rather than "biomechanical", to flavour your horror, than "gothic" kinda automatically enters the design choices. Just watch about any "non-Space" horror-movie about Hell and Occult evils. You'll also find lots of stone-gargoyles, gothical arches, etc..,etc..

Well yeah, I get the reasons behind the design from a movie making perspective, but it just kind of strains my suspension of disbelief a little, mostly in a way that I find humorous. I mean, in context of that universe a contractor designed the ship and his/her blueprints were approved by their bosses, it was then turned over to a government agency, it was then built, at some point the guy who made the engine got involved so he could install that part, up until launch dozens of people had the opportunity to suggest modifications, but no, everyone decided that long corridors with blind corners, random spikes on stuff, creepy glowing crawlspaces, and poor lighting was the way to go.