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**Cyrax**

theDarkGeneral wrote:-The new codex is squarely focused on the original 9 Traitor Legions and their factions. More recent renegade chapters (like the Red Corsairs) may get the cold shoulder.

-Chaos to get a form of Preferred Enemy on certain units.

-Daemon Princes may wind up being the only "Marked" Daemonic creatures - meaning either no god-specific daemons, or god-specific units but without the use of "Marks".

-Daemon Princes moving in line with the ones in the Daemon Codex but "with a more Chaos Space Marine feel", probably with specific benefits for different Legions.

-Chosen may not have access to Terminator Armour.

-Cult Terminators return in some form.

-Another "generic cult terminator" unit that gains special rules according to the Legion being played.

-Stickmonkey chimes in to say a plastic Chaos drop pod is in the codex, (Dreadclaw???) but not part of the initial release window.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/04/40k-rumors-chaos-legions-update.html

Old rumor (late march):

Spoiler:

Edit: old rumor added.

Bigred wrote:Don't you just hate competing rumors? Two "new" branches of the rumormill tree just shot up in the last three days. Here's what the rumormongers are saying for the next codex:

1) Chaos Legions is next -
PROS: codices are said to back from printers, minis are done, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: GW's desire to wait till after 6th launches to put out such an important and awaited book and mini range.
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

2) Tau is next -
PROS: last major ancient un-updated codex from 4th, minis are done, and on ice for months, no word on codex
CONS: Surprise rumor coming out of nowhere, would be 2 xenos in a row for codex releases
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

3) Dark Angels are next-
PROS: older codex in need of an update, DA minis seen in the new starter painting sets, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: Yet another marine variant, with low interest compared to the other contenders, after 6 months of no new 40K codices.
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Low

The "conventional wisdom" (a whole 2 months old) of Chaos being next happened after a hoaxster from early in the year admitted feeding a bunch of bull regarding upcoming Tau Empire rules. Before that happened, and for several months before that incident, the conventional wisdom had Tau as the last codex of 5th Edition. Dark Angels were the fallback as the "low-risk quick update" if GW just wanted to get something easy out the door to fill space before 6th.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/04/40k-rumors-door-1-2-or-3.html

DrLove42 wrote:OK so I went to a comp last weekend (yesterday in fact ).

At this I had a chat with a guy who until recently used to be a GW manager. He talked with me a bit about upcoming stuff.

Now I know this seems like the least credible source in history (better than my brothers friends sister works at a printing company though) but other people from the club he'd come from say hes usually been right about his rumours;

May
Next wave Necrons. Also a suprise wave of fliers (the DE Voidraven, Necron Fliers, an Ork Fightabomba and a aircraft for regular marines. Maybe stuff for other races wasn't sure)at the end of the month, with rules in WD

DA
Next Book.- Preorder at end of may for beginning on June release

6th Ed
End of June.

6th Ed starter box
Will not be released in the traditional pre-UK games day slot, and will likely be earlier (when he didn't say)
Chaos vs DA. DA includes 5 Ravenwing, 5 Deathwing, some Tac Marines and a Deathwing Commander.
Chaos includes some chosen, a sorceror and a boatload of cultists (He did say he didn't see a Dread - which is against every other rumour thus far I think - But he did admit only seeing some of the sprues- Sorceror also opens up possibilites of those plastic Plaguebearers we've heard about before)

Chaos
Will be before the box set, supposedly preorders up at the end of July.

Tau
November.

He claimed GW are trying to release 3 codexes and the main rule book this year, in addition to another fantasy book and the hobbit stuff, so releases may seem more closely packed than we're used to

As I said, credibiltiy seems laughable, but I believed him. Maybe that makes me an idiot. We'll just to wait and see.....

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=21516

**CthuluIsSpy**

Sounds interesting. Strange that Chosen no longer get termy armor, but at least CSM will still get terminators as its own unit.

**aka_mythos**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Sounds interesting. Strange that Chosen no longer get termy armor, but at least CSM will still get terminators as its own unit.

Based on other rumors, it seems that the Cult elites will have other ways of showing their status than terminator armor. For example, you can't wear terminator armor if you wear a jump pack.

The way it sounds based on rumors... that some of the units will be available to everyone with abilities that follow a legions special ability. That each legion will now have a particular cult unit representing it, in that way other armies may lose access to specific cults... ie Night Lords have Raptor cultists, everyone else has a generic Chaos Assault Marine unit. I imagine having different cults besides the Legion emphasized ones will be possible, but with limits or downsides.

**Cyrax**

There seems to be two types of terminators already, that might be the reason why they don't get TA. Besides as mythos mentioned they are not going to need it.

**Absolutionis**

Ooh! Hippity-Hoppity Dreadclaws?
I guess the honorary 5thEd Codex Thing-Stolen-From-The-Eldar for Chaos will be the Swooping Hawk Skyleap.

**Arm.chair.general**

MMMMM cult Terminators... Nurgle Terminators? Toughness 5? Feel no pain? ME LIKE!

**ph34r**

theDarkGeneral wrote:-The new codex is squarely focused on the original 9 Traitor Legions and their factions. More recent renegade chapters (like the Red Corsairs) may get the cold shoulder.

-Chaos to get a form of Preferred Enemy on certain units.

-Daemon Princes may wind up being the only "Marked" Daemonic creatures - meaning either no god-specific daemons, or god-specific units but without the use of "Marks".

-Daemon Princes moving in line with the ones in the Daemon Codex but "with a more Chaos Space Marine feel", probably with specific benefits for different Legions.

-Chosen may not have access to Terminator Armour.

-Cult Terminators return in some form.

-Another "generic cult terminator" unit that gains special rules according to the Legion being played.

-Stickmonkey chimes in to say a plastic Chaos drop pod is in the codex, (Dreadclaw???) but not part of the initial release window.

**Arm.chair.general**

Personally I am not bothered about chosen not getting terminator armour, it's a massive points sink that could be invested into getting more worthwile units.

**Quintinus**

ph34r wrote:
theDarkGeneral wrote:-The new codex is squarely focused on the original 9 Traitor Legions and their factions. More recent renegade chapters (like the Red Corsairs) may get the cold shoulder.

-Chaos to get a form of Preferred Enemy on certain units.

-Daemon Princes may wind up being the only "Marked" Daemonic creatures - meaning either no god-specific daemons, or god-specific units but without the use of "Marks".

-Daemon Princes moving in line with the ones in the Daemon Codex but "with a more Chaos Space Marine feel", probably with specific benefits for different Legions.

-Chosen may not have access to Terminator Armour.

-Cult Terminators return in some form.

-Another "generic cult terminator" unit that gains special rules according to the Legion being played.

-Stickmonkey chimes in to say a plastic Chaos drop pod is in the codex, (Dreadclaw???) but not part of the initial release window.

Only because I agree with you

**Kroothawk**

Keep in mind that (apart from a few tidbits by Hastings and stickmonkey), all rumours come from one untested source posting lots of stuff every week: TheDarkGeneral. Not saying that everything is false or made up (even a few ghost21 rumours may be true), but with GW's current rumour policy it would be a damn miracle, if everything is true. I will make my final judgment about TheDarkgeneral rumour trustworthyness, when the Chaos Legions Codex is released.

**Kepora**

What's with all this talk of Chosen and Terminator Armor anyways? They already can't take it.

**Arm.chair.general**

Kroothawk wrote:Keep in mind that (apart from a few tidbits by Hastings and stickmonkey), all rumours come from one untested source posting lots of stuff every week: TheDarkGeneral. Not saying that everything is false or made up (even a few ghost21 rumours may be true), but with GW's current rumour policy it would be a damn miracle, if everything is true. I will make my final judgment about TheDarkgeneral rumour trustworthyness, when the Chaos Legions Codex is released.

Very true! GW's current policiy is not working very well though, I think there have been more leaked pictures of upcoming releases than before!

**avedominusnox**

I must agree with Kroothawk, and though we all tend to believe what we hope for best i must say that i won't believe anything until i see something.
I don't like to get ready for many changes and when the codex is finally released we read and say: :O wot is dat?!

**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Saw the Daemon removal a mile off though if that is true, already assumed it would be the case. Hopefully the Cult folks wil make up for it.

Although at this point, new plastics interests me more than the rules, it can hardly get much worse.

Overall Interesting stuff, not sure if I would take it all as accurate, but certainly it seems obvious Chaos is begin to grow.

**Nicorex**

I like the idea of having more jump capable assault units. Hopefully Chosen with JP's get something akin to heroic intervention. What I am really happy to hear though is Havock launchers going back to heavy 2. fifteen points for a single shot weapon was overpriced. (not that it was a one time firing upgrade, just that it only got one shot a turn for a okay st5 ap5 blast load out). Im not sure about Dp's going to the Deamon Codex style though. Dont they cost even more for the same thing? I will have to crunch some numbers.....

Wishlisting, I wouldnt mind seeing the havock launcher get 2 types of shots. like a st6 ap4 heavy two round.

**Darkseid**

Kroothawk wrote:Keep in mind that (apart from a few tidbits by Hastings and stickmonkey), all rumours come from one untested source posting lots of stuff every week: TheDarkGeneral. Not saying that everything is false or made up (even a few ghost21 rumours may be true), but with GW's current rumour policy it would be a damn miracle, if everything is true. I will make my final judgment about TheDarkgeneral rumour trustworthyness, when the Chaos Legions Codex is released.

His statements have many mays, coulds and shoulds, I start to wonder which of them is a rumor and which just wishlisting.

**aka_mythos**

It really seems like the whole point of no chosen terminators, is to simply say the legionaries veteran or elite enough to both be chosen and to wear terminator armor simply eschews it in favor of joining and adopting the modus operandi of the now legion tied cults or that such a person would have gotten to the point where they'd form their own unit rather than following orders.

**Alpharius**

Where will that leave the 'unaligned' Traitor Legions in terms of Terminators?

**Kilkrazy**

Assuming the rumours are true, would that mean that Chaos is begin to grow?

**Nicorex**

Alpharius wrote:Where will that leave the 'unaligned' Traitor Legions in terms of Terminators?

In the bin with thier stormbolters, droppods and razorbacks....

Im sure there will be some basic unalined termis. They probably start that way, then you will add in the points for spesific Legions costs, just like now basicly.

**avedominusnox**

Mays and should, wishes and wants, beliefs and ideas.... Some time now we are hearing so many things,
everyone says something then after a bit you realize that even i or you write something as a rumor most people
will start to believe it. We can't speak for most things in theory. What we can do is to wait and praise to Tzeentch
for an omen...

**Kanluwen**

Darkseid wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:Keep in mind that (apart from a few tidbits by Hastings and stickmonkey), all rumours come from one untested source posting lots of stuff every week: TheDarkGeneral. Not saying that everything is false or made up (even a few ghost21 rumours may be true), but with GW's current rumour policy it would be a damn miracle, if everything is true. I will make my final judgment about TheDarkgeneral rumour trustworthyness, when the Chaos Legions Codex is released.

His statements have many mays, coulds and shoulds, I start to wonder which of them is a rumor and which just wishlisting.

Here's where the problem lies.

Some people seem to have been privy to early concept work; things that might never have made it into the real book when it comes out. If you see things early enough in a design cycle, the end result can be so far from the starting point that you might as well just not have bothered to open up about what you saw since it's as wrong as someone just making things up.

**plastictrees**

ph34r wrote:

Is "I'm totally polishing a giant Superman head right now guys." a new meme? I'm really not keeping up with the rapidly changing memescape.

**Alpharius**

It is a variation on the ever-popular "Facepalm" meme.

And, in case it isn't clearly understood by all, it is against the rules of this site to post messages that are ''pictures only" (with exceptions) as this is considered "Spam".

Forewarned is forearmed, or something like that...

**Theophony**

I liked everything that was said up until stickmonkey.... Not sure where he is at on the reliability scale, but never was comfortable about any of the rumors with his name attached.

If he has been reliable then my bad and I apologize in advance, but I thought he had some way off base blood angel stuff.

**Lockark**

Kroothawk wrote:Keep in mind that (apart from a few tidbits by Hastings and stickmonkey), all rumours come from one untested source posting lots of stuff every week: TheDarkGeneral. Not saying that everything is false or made up (even a few ghost21 rumours may be true), but with GW's current rumour policy it would be a damn miracle, if everything is true. I will make my final judgment about TheDarkgeneral rumour trustworthyness, when the Chaos Legions Codex is released.

I very much agree with you man. I'm not putting any stock into him personally thow. Anything he does get right I feel is more to do with the volume he has posted in all honesty.
=/

**Starfarer**

Darkseid wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:Keep in mind that (apart from a few tidbits by Hastings and stickmonkey), all rumours come from one untested source posting lots of stuff every week: TheDarkGeneral. Not saying that everything is false or made up (even a few ghost21 rumours may be true), but with GW's current rumour policy it would be a damn miracle, if everything is true. I will make my final judgment about TheDarkgeneral rumour trustworthyness, when the Chaos Legions Codex is released.

His statements have many mays, coulds and shoulds, I start to wonder which of them is a rumor and which just wishlisting.

Indeed, after the ghost21 debacle, I'm not trusting any new rumors source until we get confirmation from multiple sources. Dark General may have the goods, but it's all seems like too much good news, and he seems to know all kinds of units, but no real details about them. Awesome stuff is it does turn out to be true, though.

**Milisim**

Well I hope the rumours are true... The more Non SM armies out there the better...Even if its CSM... At least they have some flavour.

**sennacherib**

hope for the best.
pray that GW does not send chaos the way of the nids (into oblivion due to crappy codex design) or the way of the grey knights (that would be the way of brokeness).

**avedominusnox**

All praise at Grandfather Nurgle!!!