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Yes, it's this thread again. You know the one. The one that floats around every so often, and will probably continue to do so till the end of time. (OR GW releasing some minis again)

The Female Space Marine Thread


Here's my challenge. I'm well aware that some of you will thump your chests, and scream that female SM are impossible because fluff says so. Fluff sits down, and spells out marine biology to a fair thee well (albeit, using an explanation that is so far from how these things work in the real world as to make the tyranids look viable in reality by comparison).

My challenge to you, the gamers, is, how can it be done WITHOUT breaking canon?

My solution was to use the Cursed Founding loophole, since it seems to have caused wild mutations in SM, and only a few chapters of the unknown number created are detailed.

Chapter: Morrigna




Doctor Thunder proposed that they might exist as a bio-weapon created by Fabius Bile.

Chapter: Black Widows






Think of it as a challenge to your creativity. How would you go about it without throwing canon to the wind?

It can't be.

A chaos mutation that for some reason granted bewbs rather than anything killy would probs be the only way it could be worked.

Or a bunch of transgender emporers children

Either way I wish you good luck with this thread.(perhaps change the title tho )

Nom

Geeze, a gene-seed defect would be unpleasant.

"You have passed our tests, initiate. Now you will begin the true process of becoming a Space Marine. You will be faster, smarter, stronger, better than humanity in dozens of ways *cough*and your manly bits fall off and you grow girl boobs.*cough*

"What?"

"I said "Ave Imperitor!"

Black Widows? So they bang you before they kill you?

Omegus wrote:Black Widows? So they bang you before they kill you?

I could think of worse ways to go.

Nom

This is a bad thread and you should feel bad about.

Coolyo294 wrote:This is a bad thread and you should feel bad about.

This is a spammy post and you should feel spammy about.

on topic: always rememeber that slaneesh has a fondness for bewbs that rivals even mine. (btw this a joke)

I'm almost certain that if there is a way to make female space marines or space marine 'traps' slannesh can and will do it.

Nom

Ahhhh my poor heretical eyes! Silly Loyalist!

nomsheep wrote:
on topic: always rememeber that slaneesh has a fondness for bewbs that rivals even mine. (btw this a joke)

I'm almost certain that if there is a way to make female space marines or space marine 'traps' slannesh can and will do it.

Yes, I'm sure your fondness for them far out does slaanesh. Anyway, So, we're more or less going with 'CSM boobs are from Slaanesh."

Nice, but this isn't just about boobs, this is about women becoming Space Marines.

For loyalists, what about one of the various alternate SM creation processes, such as used by Blood Angels, who don't seem to get implanted at all, but rather use what sounds like a virus to become SM. In past fluff, women have taken on SM like characteristics, granted, without becoming SM, from even low exposure to BA blood. What would being put through the entire process do?

And what about that daemon turning a woman temporarily into a khornate SM in that iron warriors novel?

lol.

Or space marines becoming women...

I can't see an entire chapters worth of womenz being possesed by deamons that are that helpful to the host though.

Nom

BaronIveagh wrote:

For loyalists, what about one of the various alternate SM creation processes, such as used by Blood Angels, who don't seem to get implanted at all, but rather use what sounds like a virus to become SM. In past fluff, women have taken on SM like characteristics, granted, without becoming SM, from even low exposure to BA blood. What would being put through the entire process do?

Where is this from?
BA go through the same process as every other marine chapter AFAIK.

And what about that daemon turning a woman temporarily into a khornate SM in that iron warriors novel?

Never heard of this either...

purplefood wrote:[

And what about that daemon turning a woman temporarily into a khornate SM in that iron warriors novel?

Never heard of this either...

I think he means that bit in Storm of Iron where one of their female captives is coaxed into letting her rage consume her, such that a demon manifests through her.

Female missing Primarch

purplefood wrote:
Where is this from?
BA go through the same process as every other marine chapter AFAIK.

Pick up your current BA codex. Matt Ward has made some changes along the way...

As far as the woman, I'm now trying to remember where it was. She got the extended youth/life via a blood transfer, IIRC.

Never heard of this either...

Storm of Iron, it happens to a IG POW who gets kicked around by a khornate as a slave until her urge to kill him gets so strong that the daemon in his armor takes her as it's new host. and then walks around amount CSMs who fail to notice the difference...


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Je suis2 au hazard wrote:Female missing Primarch

Not doable. Missing Primarchs both confirmed in fluff as men.


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Kanluwen wrote:It can't be.

You know, Kan, when you say things like that, it's usually followed by 'That's IMPOSSIBLE! NOOOOOOOOOOO!' and then the Heroes your one weakness to destroy you in a suitably spectacular manner.

Some chapter's gene-seed could have been irreparably altered to be incompatible wit the Y chromosome.

It turns out Space Marines are chaste not because of infertility, but because they choose not to. A space Marine (obviously a Space Wolf) impregnates a woman, and the child is a female-astartes hybrid, being about 6'10 and stronger than any human, but weaker than "standard" space marines.

A Space Wolf who has become a wulfen impregnates a fenrisian wolf...

purplefood wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:And what about that daemon turning a woman temporarily into a khornate SM in that iron warriors novel?

Never heard of this either...

I believe he's talking about one of the characters in Storm of Iron

Personally I don't have anything against female SM, but it's not terribly practical from a biological standpoint. Sure there are plenty of female characters in the game (assassins, inquisitors, SoBs) but none of them are huge, hulking brutes designed to be 8 foot tall shock troops. I suppose anything's possible, but the idea behind huge, muscle-bound women seems to only be appealing to those with... ahem... specific tastes?

Not that I'm judging, of course.

I'm judging.

DoW

Not doable. Missing Primarchs both confirmed in fluff as men.

When?

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:A Space Wolf who has become a wulfen impregnates a fenrisian wolf...

Kill. It. With. Fire.

Space Wolves don't turn into wolves when the turn into Wulfen...
The Wulfen have been described many times and it has been as a cross between man and wolf. Not one or the other.

DogOfWar wrote:
Personally I don't have anything against female SM, but it's not terribly practical from a biological standpoint. Sure there are plenty of female characters in the game (assassins, inquisitors, SoBs) but none of them are huge, hulking brutes designed to be 8 foot tall shock troops. I suppose anything's possible, but the idea behind huge, muscle-bound women seems to only be appealing to those with... ahem... specific tastes?

Personally I perfer medium, well built women with bulging brains. I find i have more to talk about with them.

As far as your other point: It's not 40k but I think I get the message across...



Women: They Come in Extra Large too!

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:Some chapter's gene-seed could have been irreparably altered to be incompatible wit the Y chromosome.
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Would be purged for not being standard.


Nom

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

Not doable. Missing Primarchs both confirmed in fluff as men.

When?

HH novels. Dorn makes a reference to them. Just no details beyond calling them both Brothers.


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nomsheep wrote:
Would be purged for not being standard.

Explain the Black Dragons then?

BaronIveagh wrote:

nomsheep wrote:
Would be purged for not being standard.

Explain the Black Dragons then?

If they haven't been declared traitors yet they will be soon or under insane scrutiny from the inquisition.


Nom

BaronIveagh wrote:

purplefood wrote:
Where is this from?
BA go through the same process as every other marine chapter AFAIK.

Pick up your current BA codex. Matt Ward has made some changes along the way...

Bollocks. It's been like that since at the very least the mini-dex.

It, by the way, is not a case of "Drinking from the cup turns you into an Astartes!".
Baal is a planet infested with mutants. Drinking from the cup generally "cures" the Aspirants of their mutations(nothing extremely "Oh dear God-Emperor, it's a mutant!" mind you, but still enough that the populace of Baal is referred to as "mutants"), and prepares them for the next batch of implants, etc and generally shapes them to look more like Sanguinius.

It's no different than the Space Wolves drinking a cocktail which kicks the Canis Helix into overdrive.

As far as the woman, I'm now trying to remember where it was. She got the extended youth/life via a blood transfer, IIRC

Are you sure it was somewhere? Are you sure it wasn't nowhere?

I cannot think of a single book with anything about an Astartes giving blood to anyone.

Never heard of this either...

Storm of Iron, it happens to a IG POW who gets kicked around by a khornate as a slave until her urge to kill him gets so strong that the daemon in his armor takes her as it's new host.

That's noting near the same thing as "a female Space Marine". It's a woman possessed by a Daemon within a suit of armor.

And it's worth noting that it is the only instance we have of such an idea.

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:Female missing Primarch

Not doable. Missing Primarchs both confirmed in fluff as men.

At least we're on the same page here.

Kanluwen wrote:It can't be.

You know, Kan, when you say things like that, it's usually followed by 'That's IMPOSSIBLE! NOOOOOOOOOOO!' and then the Heroes your one weakness to destroy you in a suitably spectacular manner.

And when people post things like this, it's usually followed by "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling kids and their dog!".

You've gone out and posted "how can it be done WITHOUT breaking canon".
It cannot be done. There are no recorded instances in the 40k universe of geneseed turning males into females--or giving them female characteristics.

Brother of the Snake-Prius gives some of his blood to the lady to help her survive the radiation.
She lives a much longer life than her countrymen.

I don't think there is much point in making female Space Marines...
Part of the Space Marines' 'thing' is that they are monk like.
Now in some cases this is altered (Space Wolves) but in many cases it remains.

purplefood wrote:Space Wolves don't turn into wolves when the turn into Wulfen...
The Wulfen have been described many times and it has been as a cross between man and wolf. Not one or the other.

But being half human half wolf, they would be as likely to find a wolf attractive as a human, verdad?

And they would have no self control, right?

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

purplefood wrote:Space Wolves don't turn into wolves when the turn into Wulfen...
The Wulfen have been described many times and it has been as a cross between man and wolf. Not one or the other.

But being half human half wolf, they would be as likely to find a wolf attractive as a human, verdad?

And they would have no self control, right?

Lets just say no and leave it there...

purplefood wrote:

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

purplefood wrote:Space Wolves don't turn into wolves when the turn into Wulfen...
The Wulfen have been described many times and it has been as a cross between man and wolf. Not one or the other.

But being half human half wolf, they would be as likely to find a wolf attractive as a human, verdad?

And they would have no self control, right?

Lets just say no and leave it there...

What's wrong with furry female space marines?

What isn't wrong with it?