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I did read the original thread. I thought that maybe with the new books, there might be some new theories. So with that....

I'm pretty new to 40k and have been reading and collecting a SW army. This quote intrigued me, a little google-fu and browsing led me to this ancient thread. If its been covered elsewhere please point me in the right direction. I have a couple thoughts on this.

1) I think it is possible that the original colonists of Fenris were somehow modified to survive a death world, hence the evolution into wolves. They are only found on Asaheim because it is the only stable land mass on Fenris. Why would you colonize any other part of Fenris??

2) There is an ancient temple to Chaos on Asaheim, it is discovered by Ragnar and his pack mates in the Omnibus. Perhaps this is why Russ forbid Fenrisian folk from settling Asaheim and claiming it as the exclusive domain of the Sky Warriors.

3) There are remnants of technology on Fenris outside of Asaheim, the island of the iron priests which is mentioned in the story and in the codex.

I think that the original colonists were modified to survive and that they were 'corrupted' by Chaos. Maybe that meant they turned to worshipping Chaos or maybe they evolved naturally....either way I think it is safe to imagine that Chaos had some part in the transformation. Its not unheard of in 40k fluff for the mere presence of Chaos to tamper with things. Like a residue. So maybe it sped the process of the original colonists turning into wolves. It could be that the eventual outcome of Wulfen is changing to Thunder Wolves or Blackmanes.

Either way it is clear that Space Wolves do not regard their wolf brethren as mere animals. In fact they regard them highly and even seek to include them in their community. Wolf Brothers. To me it doesn't matter what Magnus said. There are no wolves on Fenris. Only single minded bloody handed warriors that are never truly alive unless immersed in the fire of battle and conquest in the name of Russ and the All-Father. I think that the wolves are valued and seen for what they truly are, Intelligent cunning and capable in battle, an ally, regardless of their origin. They are judged on merit not any philosophical rambling.

There are no wolves on Fenris, Only warriors.

Just my two cents.

Wrong game bro.

Well....thats embarassing....

Keep moving, nothing to see here....

The temple was built after the previous meteor storm, it's not that old.
Though it is implied the tunnels mutate people so go figure...
There has never been any indication of Wulfen turning into wolves.
It may be a reference to the Wolves having arrived with the original settlers or it may be a reference to the genetic changes the wolves have undergone since they arrived.

purplefood wrote:The temple was built after the previous meteor storm, it's not that old.
Though it is implied the tunnels mutate people so go figure...
There has never been any indication of Wulfen turning into wolves.
It may be a reference to the Wolves having arrived with the original settlers or it may be a reference to the genetic changes the wolves have undergone since they arrived.

Thats one of the things I don't get....why would they bring wolves with them? Its not like wolves are something you would introduce to a planet you plan to colonize. Wolves are predators, not a domestic animal useful to farming.

skallagrim wrote:

purplefood wrote:The temple was built after the previous meteor storm, it's not that old.
Though it is implied the tunnels mutate people so go figure...
There has never been any indication of Wulfen turning into wolves.
It may be a reference to the Wolves having arrived with the original settlers or it may be a reference to the genetic changes the wolves have undergone since they arrived.

Thats one of the things I don't get....why would they bring wolves with them? Its not like wolves are something you would introduce to a planet you plan to colonize. Wolves are predators, not a domestic animal useful to farming.

I dunno, maybe they brought samples from every animal on Earth found Fenris and wolves were one of the animals that managed to prosper on the planet...

Or it very simply might have been dogs close to wolves in appearances that went feral.

Fenris is not a happy place. If the settlements where the dogs were went belly-up, the dogs very well could have survived to go feral.

I get that wolves could prosper, but why would the colonists shoot themselves in the foot like that? Fenris is already populated by animals that would love to get a crack at domesticated animals. Why add another? It doesn't make much sense. Unless the wolves(or xenos species closely resembling wolves) were already there.

Maybe they liked wolves...
Or maybe like Kan said, they were dogs who just went feral and 'evolved'

I don't think the tutelaries would be scared of feral dogs, no matter the size. Its a strange thing.

skallagrim wrote:I don't think the tutelaries would be scared of feral dogs, no matter the size. Its a strange thing.

If they had evolved to become wolves then where is the problem?

I dunno, warp entities don't seem the type to be bothered by natural animals.

Then why would wolves bother them?

The must not be 'wolves' in the strictest sense but something different. Near as I can figure, things are not freightened by things they have a reference for. Things get scared of the unknown, if a warp entity is scared of something it must not have a frame of reference for it. hence the "There are no wolves on Fenris" quote. They must not be of the warp or of the materium but something different or a combination there of. Like the beasts of Caliban. I think. I dunno, I'm kinda new to the fluff.

Hmmmm, could be that the wolves are deamonic in nature just as the tutelaries were. Wouldn't surprise me much. SW are, IMHO, just this side of chaos. The tutelaries were tzcheench daemons, I think, so possibly the 'wolves' were really khorne daemons. Both are similar in that they act as companions. The khorne deamon/wolves would be stronger then the tzcheench deamon/tutelaries having a physical form instead of just an epherial one. Thats why they didnt like the 'wolves'. Interesting line of thought.

The wolves on Fenris don't interact with humanity, by and large.

They hunt humanity.
The wolves that are used by the Space Wolves are those which are actually taken as pups after hunting expeditions to find them and then raised to fight.

Ok people, here goes. I have a little experience with breeding geckos and an idea of genetics.

The original colonists were genetically modified to survive on Fenris.
At least one gene used in THE COLONISTS enhancement was the "Canix Helix"
Now when two humans with the recessive gene reproduce, the gene can express in a rare few offspring as a double canix helix dominant= wolf*
wolf* reproduces with wolf* = wolf*(actually a human with the wolf genes taken over).
Now you take a recruit descended from colonists that carries the Canis Helix already and then turn him into a spacewolf, The two copies of the Canis Helix can express in a variety of ways. Thunderwolves I think being the same analogy as above.

As for wulfen, I'm not sure if they were only Fenrisian; or if original Terran legionaires also changed into them.(Anyone?)