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2012/05/18 18:08:51
Subject: St. Celestine (And Others) vs. Entropic Strike
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Calm Celestian
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So this issue came up at a recent tournament I attended and we could not reach a consensus as to how St. Celestine's MI interacts with Necron Scarabs' ES. Fortunately (rather unfortunately for me really) St. Celestine didn't get back up. But the question still stands, do models that have the ability to come back to play come back as "fresh" or "new" models, unless other otherwise specified i.e. number of wounds, or are they still affected by the same status changes before they died? Please discuss both RAW and HYWPI if different.
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2012/05/18 18:12:08
Subject: St. Celestine (And Others) vs. Entropic Strike
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Unfortunately, ES works against the model for the remainder of the battle. Unless you are using multiple St Celestine models to represent one Celestine, it would last for the whole fight.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
If I was playing against Necrons, I'd probably sort that out before the game first though.
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2012/05/18 18:38:33
Subject: St. Celestine (And Others) vs. Entropic Strike
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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I've tried to bring this situation up several times on YMDC, and unfortunately nobody seems to want dig into it.
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2012/05/18 18:39:21
Subject: St. Celestine (And Others) vs. Entropic Strike
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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I think it is mostly because it is in a horrible grey area.
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2012/05/18 18:44:40
Subject: Re:St. Celestine (And Others) vs. Entropic Strike
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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My stance is based on a unit of a single model with the EL rule, but it applies to St Celestine and Yarrick too:
Lordhat wrote:The question should be "Does a unit with Ever Living have a 'memory' of it's status if it is removed as a casualty, and comes back?"
If yes, then:
A fleeing unit with EL continues fleeing after passing it's RP roll. EDIT: this has been answered as a unit only falls back until it has been destroyed.
A pinned or GtG unit remains so after passing it's RP roll.
A unit that was in a transport that moved flat out and was wrecked in the same turn cannot assault after passing it's RP roll.
A unit affected by Entropic Strike will continue to have an armour save of - after passing it's RP roll.
A unit under the effect of Weaken Resolve will still have a modified Ld Stat after passing it's RP roll.
A unit that has used the Emergency Disembark rule that turn will still be unable to do anything until the end of that turn after passing it's RP roll.
And probably more.
If no, then all these will be the opposite.
My opinion is that the answer should be yes it does. All of these effects happen to the unit for a specified duration; if the unit exists it is subject to these effects until that duration is over. The fact that the unit 'died' is inconsequential. RP does not create new units, it restores units to play.
Automatically Appended Next Post: pretre wrote:I think it is mostly because it is in a horrible grey area.
That's never stopped YMDC before 
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/05/18 18:45:37
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2012/05/18 18:47:25
Subject: St. Celestine (And Others) vs. Entropic Strike
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Keep in mind that duration is a bit different for EL vs Yarrick and St C, but yeah.
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2012/05/18 18:54:02
Subject: Re:St. Celestine (And Others) vs. Entropic Strike
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The Hive Mind
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Lordhat wrote:My stance is based on a unit of a single model with the EL rule, but it applies to St Celestine and Yarrick too:
I agree, unfortunately for Necrons (overall - it benefits them with this specific example of ES vs St. C. but it's a lot of No's overall for them).
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2012/05/18 19:04:52
Subject: St. Celestine (And Others) vs. Entropic Strike
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Calm Celestian
Florida, USA
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One of the consequences of if they do "remember" their game state is the fact that those things would have to be tracked over multiple turns at least with St. Celestine. Suppose she was involved in a 1st turn assault with Scarabs and was affected by ES and "died". You don't roll successfully for her to come back until turn 5. But for those other turns you would have to keep track of the fact that if/when St. Celestine would come back, her armor save would still be affected.
I'm not saying this is a difficult thing to keep track of or not, just that it seems to me that this isn't the sort of game that one would be required to do so.
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2012/05/21 06:30:42
Subject: St. Celestine (And Others) vs. Entropic Strike
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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It's not like you wouldn't have to track that if she doesn't die.
It would be the same for a BA "cursing" her with reduced stats.
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