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Hey guys, I 'm new to 40k and was just wondering if a list like this would actually work, Overall it's 33 Dark Lances and 1998 pts. so I think it's super Lolzy but tell me what you think.

HQ: Archon - 60 pts

Elites: 258 pts 6 Dark Lances

3 Trueborn with 2 DL - 86
3 Trueborn with 2 DL - 86
3 Trueborn with 2 DL - 86

Fast Attack: 840 pts. 12 Dark Lances

10 Scourges with 4 DL - 280
10 Scourges with 4 DL - 280
10 Scourges with 4 DL - 280

Heavy Support: 315 pts. 9 Dark Lances

Ravager - 105
Ravager - 105
Ravager - 105

Troops: 525 pts. 6 Dark Lances

10 Kabalite Warriors with 1 DL (DL Raider) - 175
10 Kabalite Warriors with 1 DL (DL Raider) - 175
10 Kabalite Warriors with 1 DL (DL Raider) - 175

Okay im just gonna be honest here. You have too many Dark Lances. If you face an army with alot of numbers (Orks, swarm Nids, non mech Imperial Guard) they will decimate you. You need to be able to deal with swarms better *cough Venoms*. And you're army is a bit too squishy right now. 30 Scourges is ALOT of points and actually quite easy to kill.

ok thanks I was just wondering if this would work at all, the actual army that I'm thinking of would be

Vect and Dias (with FF)
2 Heamy with Shattershard and Casket of Flensing

4 Wyches, 1 Hekatrix with Agoniser and Haywire Grenades all are in Venoms with extra Splinter Cannon X 3
5 Wyches with Vect in Dias (will stay with Vect)

4 Trueborn with 4 blasters and Venom with extra cannon
10 Trueborn all with Carbine
4 Trueborn with 4 blasters (also in Dias)

Ravager with FF X 3

2 Beastmasters with 2 Flocks and 5 Khymera

This adds up to exactly 2000 points, but i'm not sure if I'm allowed to have two different squads in the Dias although it does fit the rule of needing 9 other models in the dias at the start of the game.

Also this will be my first Dark Eldar Army so I want to try things out.

Vect is pretty fun to play im not gonna lie and he can be a best. But the Dais is just way too over priced for what it does, also you cant give the Dais Flickerfields or any upgrade for that matter, which is another reason the Dais really isnt worth it.
Also with Dark Eldar you really don't want to spend too much points on a single unit. Because once that paper thin transport is shot down that expensive unit is just too fragile and will be reduced to nothing quite quickly. You want to be able to have many fast units in transports to over whelm your opponent.

Heamy's run quite well with just a Liquifier to be honest. They are able to deal some pretty good damage with their flamer, and give a Wych squad a pain token for just 60pts
Now with Wyches you're gonna wanna put them in a Raider because 5 Wyches just isn't enough to do a whole lot. People usually like to run them 7-9 and a Heamy helps them out greatly.
The first Trueborn looks great.
Second one, like i said sinking too much points. Because keep in mind that those Trueborn don't get armor saves against just standard bolters.
And the 3 Ravagers are perfect

These are just my opinions and i hope they help you out

I'm pretty sure that you can upgrade the Dias due to the fact that you treat it as a normal raider, meaning you can get raider upgrades no?

With that in mind I was thinking of giving the pain token to the wyches straight off (through the split pain token "ties" however you want rule) Then I would put them in the Dias and use the Dias as my spearhead raining Dark Lances and Ichor down on my foes

My CarbBorn I would use to take their 30 poisoned shots on an enemy squad and then assualt them, with another 30 attacks on the charge probably taking out any squad, short of terminators, giving them a nice pain token

Also with all of the Venoms that I have the wyches would be both anti tank and anti infantry with those haywire grenades that I gave them. But would it be worth getting rid of the beastmasters to get more wyches?

Also thank you very much for your help I appreciate it

Dark eldar is a close combat army. The role of dark lances is to get your opponent out of their transports.

Accross the board attrition fire fights arnt how you play dark eldar. If you want to play that way....play wolves/ig/tau/


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Barrywise wrote:I'm pretty sure that you can upgrade the Dias due to the fact that you treat it as a normal raider, meaning you can get raider upgrades no?

With that in mind I was thinking of giving the pain token to the wyches straight off (through the split pain token "ties" however you want rule) Then I would put them in the Dias and use the Dias as my spearhead raining Dark Lances and Ichor down on my foes

My CarbBorn I would use to take their 30 poisoned shots on an enemy squad and then assualt them, with another 30 attacks on the charge probably taking out any squad, short of terminators, giving them a nice pain token

Also with all of the Venoms that I have the wyches would be both anti tank and anti infantry with those haywire grenades that I gave them. But would it be worth getting rid of the beastmasters to get more wyches?

Also thank you very much for your help I appreciate it

The dias comes as is you cant change it lol

No you cant upgrade the Dias at all, have to take it how it is unfortunately.
It may seem like a good idea with CarbBorn but it doesn't work as well as you might think. Because even against a normal tactical squad you shoot them and maybe take out a few but then when you charge you're needing 4+ to hit and 5+ to wound and then they have a 3+ save which will be quite tough to kill even with 30 attacks and then they hit back. Trueborn are best at just shooting, leave the assaults to the Wyches haha.
And remember you're Dark Eldar, you don't fight fair. Shoot the piss out of them with the CarbBorn even a Venom too if it's needed and then finish them off with a Wych squad.
But about the Dias it is so easy to kill and so expensive. Think about it, it's 10% of your army PLUS vect and 9 other models have to go in it so at least 30% of your army is that one target, so it will be shot at alot.

As I said before I'm new, so I apologize for my n00bishness, that's too bad that the dias can't take upgrades and can't shoot all Dark Lances after moving more than 6" (SHAZBOT) so I'll scrap that and add more wyches, should I also get rid of my beastmasters to get more wyches and raiders? that would give me another 314 points to work with, which would be pretty nice. Also is it better to get another squad of Wyches to fill all troop slots so that it'd be easier to capture objectives and then add more wyches to each squad or just add to what I have?

You also can only have one unit roll per vehicle instead of the two you have listed riding in the Dias.

As mentioned, Vect is a beast and the Dias is a huge point sink. Anything that can knock out AV 13 (which most armies come prepared with a decent amount of), will just pepper that thing into oblivion and you'll have wasted a ton o points.

As for that original list, the rule in general for DE is to make every unit (with Ravagers being really the only exception) dual purpose and be able to handle infantry and armor. You do this by having blasterborn roll on a venom or wyches in a raider. And the second rule is (for vehicle spam lists) as much dark light weaponry as you can fit in [doesn't have to be lances] while keeping to the first rule.

Oh i know and im not trying to criticize or anything and if i came off like i apologize i am just giving my honest opinion to help a fellow DE player out

And Beastmaster can actually work very well. I don't currently own any but i borrowed some a few times and they worked great. Im currently in the process of getting some for myself haha. A good build for them i've found is 3 beastmasters, 4 razorflocks, and 5 khymera. Especially if you give one of your heamys a webway portal and run them through there, that way the turn they come in they can assault something with their 6" movement, then fleet, and then since they're beasts they have a 12" charge, gotta love em

You can go more Wyches if you prefer. I personally like to run a mixture of Troops, usually 3 Wyches squads, 2 Warrior squads, and then a small squad of Wracks to hold an objective and they do it very well.

Just as an example of what im talking about this is a list i've been running lately

HQ

Haemonculus 60pts
-Liquifier Gun

Elites

Trueborn #3 146pts
-3 Blasters
w/ Venom
-Extra Splinter Cannon

Trueborn #3 152pts
-3 Blasters
-Haywire Grenades (point fillers haha)
w/ Venom
-Extra Splinter Cannon

Trueborn #3 126pts
-2 Splinter Cannons
w/ Raider
-Flickerfield

Troops

Wyches #9 208pts
-Hekatrix w/ Agoniser
-Haywire Grenades
w/ Raider
-Flickerfield

Wyches #8 196pts
-Hekatrix w/ Agoniser
-Haywire Grenades
w/ Raider
-Flickerfield

Wyches #8 196pts
-Hekatrix w/ Agoniser
-Haywire Grenades
w/ Raider
-Flickerfield

Warriors #5 125pts
-Blaster
w/ Venom
-Extra Splinter Cannon

Warriors #5 125pts
-Blaster
w/ Venom
-Extra Splinter Cannon

Wracks #5 130pts
-Liquifier Gun
w/ Raider
-Flickerfield

Heavy

Ravager 115pts
-Flickerfield

Ravager 115pts
-Flickerfield

Razorwing 155pts
-Flickerfield

1849 Total

I mainly just like to run a little mixture of everything just to keep it a bit more fun so it's all not the same *cough boring cheesy venom spam cough*
But im not at all saying "Make your list like this or you're a noob!" or anything. Just as a bit of an example of what i mean ^_^

CaptainHonkey: I am so glad you live in Florida and nowhere near me. Playing against that list with my army would be like having your head in the rest of a guillotine as you watch the guy sharpen the blade in front of you....

Reivax26 wrote:CaptainHonkey: I am so glad you live in Florida and nowhere near me. Playing against that list with my army would be like having your head in the rest of a guillotine as you watch the guy sharpen the blade in front of you....

Lol trust me it works alot better than it looks on paper