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We had a couple of guys order the Gamers rulebook package at our LFGS and they WERE NOT happy. Complaints were:

Cheap faux leather/pleather on the satchel

Sub-standard stitching on the satchel(Both had seems coming apart out of the packaging

Cheap plastic Dice Holders

Dice tin is flimsy / not sturdy

There was one more, Maybe something about markers???

Matter of fact, the only things they were happy with was the Pschic Powers Card Deck and the rulebook itself.


I was wondering if this was a weird coincidence or are others also dealing with what they feel are shoddy and over-hyped products in the Gamers Package?

As it stands, I am very glad that I bought just the book and card deck.

wow I'm glad that GW lost my order now. Guess I'll just be satisfied with the normal edition. Anyone tried the servoskull tape measure yet? It looks unwieldy

sudojoe wrote:wow I'm glad that GW lost my order now. Guess I'll just be satisfied with the normal edition. Anyone tried the servoskull tape measure yet? It looks unwieldy

The Skeletor Tape measure?

Nah, I'm waiting for the He-Man or She-Ra model.

Actually it isn't bad contruction wise, Just ugly(In a tacky cheap fake chrome hub-cap way) and over priced. The red-eye is the lock release.

Oh yeah, most gamers at the store didn't like how the inch increments were laid out. Didn't really look so can't say more as to possibly why.

sudojoe wrote:Anyone tried the servoskull tape measure yet? It looks unwieldy

It's not too bad. The tape mechanism is a little dodgy (spring rewind isn't the greatest) and the metal end is a little loose on the rivets, but it's functional and very cool. Chunky, but not too large to hold easily.


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Captain Avatar wrote:Oh yeah, most gamers at the store didn't like how the inch increments were laid out. Didn't really look so can't say more as to possibly why.

They would have preferred something other than inches, perhaps?

Not sure how you do it, if not by marking out the inches.

insaniak wrote:

Captain Avatar wrote:Oh yeah, most gamers at the store didn't like how the inch increments were laid out. Didn't really look so can't say more as to possibly why.

They would have preferred something other than inches, perhaps?

Not sure how you do it, if not by marking out the inches.

I think it was how they were laid out down the valley of the tape, possibly the red black colour combo being hard to read for some.

Wonder if the Black has a tint of green in it? A lot of guys are red green colour blind...Just spit-balling here due to as I said in the ealier post, I didn't really get a look at it while they were talking.I was playing my first game of 6th so didn't catch specifics.

Now that I think about it, The criticism could have been the result of once people were unhappy with the Gamers Edition it just became a dog-pile. Again, not sure as to why the dis-like.

Personally I'm not a fan because I think that the design is meant to appeal to juveniles, but thats just my opinion. My feelings about it are very *meh* and only said something because of a question about them.

Edit spacing and to add last bit

Captain Avatar wrote:Personally I'm not a fan because I think that the design is meant to appeal to juveniles, ...

Why should that make a difference as to whether or not you like it?

Fisher Price's Action Heroes are meant to appeal to early primary-school kids... and I personally think they're amongst the best action figures ever released. Who something is intended for is entirely secondary to whether or not it is cool.


Not saying you're not perfectly entitled to dislike it (of course you are) but disliking it because (you feel) it's meant for a different age group just seems a little odd.

insaniak wrote:

Captain Avatar wrote:Personally I'm not a fan because I think that the design is meant to appeal to juveniles, ...

Why should that make a difference as to whether or not you like it?

Fisher Price's Action Heroes are meant to appeal to early primary-school kids... and I personally think they're amongst the best action figures ever released. Who something is intended for is entirely secondary to whether or not it is cool.

QFT. 40k itself is pretty juvenile (OMG MASSIVE GUYS WITH HUGE GUNS AND LASERS) but we all play it.

Captain Avatar wrote:
Personally I'm not a fan because I think that the design is meant to appeal to juveniles, but thats just my opinion.

The design of the gamers edition? Its brilliant, you get the rulebook for its price, then for 80 bucks you get the dice (13 for a box of dice from GW normally), so we'll call it 60 for the bag. This bag (which works just fine for me, no rooted seams or anything) is going to be brilliant for uni. It has a main pocket for all my books, and side pockets for calculator and pens and what not. Its brilliant! Hardly juvenile, just depends how you look at it.

motyak wrote:The design of the gamers edition?

No, he was talking about the servo skull tape.

Ah. All I wrote was for nought then. Oh well.

Not really... It's where the thread started, after all. Good to hear that you're happy with your purchase

Captain Avatar wrote:We had a couple of guys order the Gamers rulebook package at our LFGS and they WERE NOT happy. Complaints were:

Cheap faux leather/pleather on the satchel

Sub-standard stitching on the satchel(Both had seems coming apart out of the packaging

Cheap plastic Dice Holders

Dice tin is flimsy / not sturdy

There was one more, Maybe something about markers???

Matter of fact, the only things they were happy with was the Pschic Powers Card Deck and the rulebook itself.

You are surprised that all the materials are the cheapest they could find? Really? You're really surprised?

That's the most shocking thing about this.

All Collectors Editions are an attempt by publishers to get more money out of superfans.

I hope you learned a valuable (literally) lesson.

Captain Avatar wrote:We had a couple of guys order the Gamers rulebook package at our LFGS and they WERE NOT happy. Complaints were:

Cheap faux leather/pleather on the satchel

Sub-standard stitching on the satchel(Both had seems coming apart out of the packaging

Cheap plastic Dice Holders

Dice tin is flimsy / not sturdy

There was one more, Maybe something about markers???

Matter of fact, the only things they were happy with was the Pschic Powers Card Deck and the rulebook itself.


I was wondering if this was a weird coincidence or are others also dealing with what they feel are shoddy and over-hyped products in the Gamers Package?

As it stands, I am very glad that I bought just the book and card deck.

Honestly?

I want to hear more about whats in the book, then your overpriced lickies and chewies.

Want a synopsys of the book, please. Bottom line, am I getting a new edition of 40K, or do I start the culling?

The problem that a lot of players, myself included, have with the layout of the tape measure is that every 13th inch is an imperial eagle. 13 is such a stupid number when measuring things, especially in 40k. 12 would have been nice, 6 would have worked, but 13?

-cgmckenzie

Hrm, I'm hoping the bag isn't as bad as all that, I was hoping to replace my Apocalypse gamers backpack with it (which has accompanied me to 3 continents from Portland to Hamburg to Cape Town and back to San Diego, through my last year of undergrad and through Grad school and more) now that that bag is starting to show major wear. :(

That tape measure will break in a few months anyway, if the regular GW tape measure is any indication. All their accessories are shoddy.

My FLGS didn't get anything other than books and cards, so I guess I dodged a bullet.

I had no real plans on keeping the bag (I have a mantic bag for gaming and an actual messanger bag for work), but if it's anything like hte Apoc gamer bag, it'll go for a nice price on ebay in six months.

Omegus wrote:That tape measure will break in a few months anyway, if the regular GW tape measure is any indication. All their accessories are shoddy.

I have a GW tape that I bought back in 3rd edition. The GW sticker has mostly worn off the side, but otherwise it's still just as good as the day I bought it.

Most of their accessories are over-priced compared to generic equivalents... but they are at least generally reasonable quality. For a long while their clippers were the best on the market (at least down here). The only real dogs in the range are their glues.

as a carpenter and person with a builder's lic. i cna say one thing i had plenty of when i started the hobby was tape measures. a good lufkin tape measure will lileky outlast you provided you aren't leaving it submerged in salt water.

as for the gamers edition bag i guess i should be glad my flgs couldn't get me one then... still kind of want one of the emblems as my wife is sewing me up a new massive army carrying bag (4' long, 2 feet wide, 3 feet tall) and that'd be nice to throw on it. to dress it up

insaniak wrote:

Omegus wrote:That tape measure will break in a few months anyway, if the regular GW tape measure is any indication. All their accessories are shoddy.

I have a GW tape that I bought back in 3rd edition. The GW sticker has mostly worn off the side, but otherwise it's still just as good as the day I bought it.

Most of their accessories are over-priced compared to generic equivalents... but they are at least generally reasonable quality. For a long while their clippers were the best on the market (at least down here). The only real dogs in the range are their glues.

I've gone through three of their new red tape measures in about as many months. They either no longer lock, or the metal tab breaks off and the whole thing snaps inside the case. Garbage.

I got it, the bag is fine. The dice are fine. The plastic servo skulls are fine. The tin is dodgy. The book is nice. Can fit my rule book, couple of codices, my ipad, and some templates. I wasn't expecting rich corinthian leather, but something that functions, and that it does.

Plus, it's not like the gamer's version is crazy more expensive. The relatively mediocre add-ons seem commensurate with the relatively modest price hike.

Of course, since the gamer's version doesn't have anything that I don't functionally already have, I just bought the rulebook...

MaxDamage wrote:I got it, the bag is fine. The dice are fine. The plastic servo skulls are fine. The tin is dodgy. The book is nice. Can fit my rule book, couple of codices, my ipad, and some templates. I wasn't expecting rich corinthian leather, but something that functions, and that it does.

I wont lie, I mainly want it to house my tablet so its nice to know mine will fit even with the book.

insaniak wrote:

Captain Avatar wrote:Personally I'm not a fan because I think that the design is meant to appeal to juveniles, ...

Why should that make a difference as to whether or not you like it?

Fisher Price's Action Heroes are meant to appeal to early primary-school kids... and I personally think they're amongst the best action figures ever released. Who something is intended for is entirely secondary to whether or not it is cool.


Not saying you're not perfectly entitled to dislike it (of course you are) but disliking it because (you feel) it's meant for a different age group just seems a little odd.

Sorry about the miscommunication.

Here in the states the term Juvenile has a different connotation due to its been primarily used in conjunction with the word deliquent.. It has a more negative tone that implies an improper immaturity.
Where 30 year olds playing what might be viewed as a kids game would likely be veiwed as slightly off in a benign manner(Nerdy)
Those same 30 year olds driving a car with a Cheap shiny skull hanging from the rear view mirror would be viewed as being emotionally backward(Unless the Car was a fully restored 57 Chevy or some classic like that).

I don't know if my point is coming across................... Basically, The tape measure is acceptable as a collectors nick-nack sitting with those action figures you mentioned but a 30+ year old that carried it around with him be viewed as off in some manner.

cgmckenzie wrote:The problem that a lot of players, myself included, have with the layout of the tape measure is that every 13th inch is an imperial eagle. 13 is such a stupid number when measuring things, especially in 40k. 12 would have been nice, 6 would have worked, but 13?

-cgmckenzie

Yeah, I would find that a little annoying.

Thanks for the clarification cgmckenzie.

Captain Avatar wrote:Here in the states the term Juvenile has a different connotation due to its been primarily used in conjunction with the word deliquent.. It has a more negative tone that implies an improper immaturity.
Where 30 year olds playing what might be viewed as a kids game would likely be veiwed as slightly off in a benign manner(Nerdy)
Those same 30 year olds driving a car with a Cheap shiny skull hanging from the rear view mirror would be viewed as being emotionally backward(Unless the Car was a fully restored 57 Chevy or some classic like that).

I don't know if my point is coming across................... Basically, The tape measure is acceptable as a collectors nick-nack sitting with those action figures you mentioned but a 30+ year old that carried it around with him be viewed as off in some manner.

That doesn't actually change my question. Whether it's the manufacturer intending the product for children, or people viewing you as immature for owning it makes little difference. You're entitled to like what you like... Why should the opinion of the facelss 'them' matter? Basing your personal opinion of something on whether or not you think other people will approve of you liking it? That way lies madness.

IMO, you're paying for the exclusivity of the product, not so much the quality.

Captain Avatar wrote:We had a couple of guys order the Gamers rulebook package at our LFGS and they WERE NOT happy. Complaints were:

Cheap faux leather/pleather on the satchel

Sub-standard stitching on the satchel(Both had seems coming apart out of the packaging

Cheap plastic Dice Holders

Dice tin is flimsy / not sturdy

There was one more, Maybe something about markers???

Matter of fact, the only things they were happy with was the Pschic Powers Card Deck and the rulebook itself.


I was wondering if this was a weird coincidence or are others also dealing with what they feel are shoddy and over-hyped products in the Gamers Package?

As it stands, I am very glad that I bought just the book and card deck.

The satchel, had it been real leather, would have been more than the collectors edition. Go check prices online for real leather bags, they are not cheap by any stretch. Pleather, by and large, is still more durable than most cloth, and gives the impression of leather without the price. The dice holders are fine, nothing spectacular, and the dice tin... is well a dice tin. It's actually pretty solid, though at least it's nothing like the ammo tin model case from a few editions ago... I still can barely open that thing without losing a nail.

insaniak wrote:

Captain Avatar wrote:Here in the states the term Juvenile has a different connotation due to its been primarily used in conjunction with the word deliquent.. It has a more negative tone that implies an improper immaturity.
Where 30 year olds playing what might be viewed as a kids game would likely be veiwed as slightly off in a benign manner(Nerdy)
Those same 30 year olds driving a car with a Cheap shiny skull hanging from the rear view mirror would be viewed as being emotionally backward(Unless the Car was a fully restored 57 Chevy or some classic like that).

I don't know if my point is coming across................... Basically, The tape measure is acceptable as a collectors nick-nack sitting with those action figures you mentioned but a 30+ year old that carried it around with him be viewed as off in some manner.

That doesn't actually change my question. Whether it's the manufacturer intending the product for children, or people viewing you as immature for owning it makes little difference. You're entitled to like what you like... Why should the opinion of the facelss 'them' matter? Basing your personal opinion of something on whether or not you think other people will approve of you liking it? That way lies madness.

Unfortunately, the US has abandoned the follow the beat of a different drum mentality of my youth and has now truly entered into madness by redefining people that live not caring what other opinions are as socio-pathic. With this becoming the "legal"(As in what the courts use to decide whether you are a redeamable or a hopeless case)definition. Sigh*

I still maintain my individuality to as much of an extent as anyone can in the us without getting locked up.


Now to your argument.....Hmmm. Should I buy something that I really hate the looks of in order to improve the "Opinion" of one of Dakka's mods?

I didn't buy because I didn't like the looks of the thing. I didn't bring it up because I was merely reporting the issues others were having and what was being said about the Gamers edition and its contents.


Now as to, "What is my opinion of the Gamers edition?"......

The Bag should have been done in either Canvas or Tactical Nylon/Kevelar (simulated Kevelar in GWs case )
It would have been more durable and people would have felt that they were getting their moneys worth. Not to mention thaat it would have fit the theme better.

The Tape measure? At its current price the Eye socket should have included a laser pointer.

The Templates? Cost cutting to save on material by having the flimsy centers. Would have preffered that they went a different more durable clear resin route. Make the materials of a quality that matches the price.

Dice Holders? Should not have even been included. Or should have been a completely different design.

Rule Book? Offer Army specific Dust covers.


Just a few ideas

Captain Avatar wrote:Now to your argument.....Hmmm. Should I by something that I really hate the looks of in order to improve the "Opinion" of one of Dakka's mods?

Of course not. I wasn't saying you shouldn't dislike it. I was questioning the logic of disliking it on the basis of popular opinion rather than your own, based on your stated reasoning for not liking it.

My apologies for not realising that what you was was not, in fact, what you meant.