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I was thinking that they could make a special HQ character that is a storm trooper. He could be a Storm Trooper Commander. You typical IG Storm Trooper stat line (WS:3 BS:4 S:3 T:3 W:1 I:3 Ld: 7 A: 1 Sv:4+) ,and it usually costs 165 points for a squad of10. But, has a special rule you can take Storm Troopers as a troop choice. I am trying to figure a way to make it balanced.

Balanced:
-More expensive then the average Guardsmen/vet
-Limit to squads of 10
-Limited range of main weapon (18" , or 9" for rapid fire)
-doesn't have access to "First rank fire, second rank fire"
-Gives the IG a more Elitie option to it

Unbalanced:
- A lot of good AP weapons
-Might be a little overpriced for what you get
-They can all deepstirke default

I am also trying to find a good "reason" for doing this list.

Pros for doing this
-Gives you the feeling of a more balanced army (i.e. Not Space Marines in power, yet still better they your average Guardsmen)
-Adds a little flair to the IG army, so that you won't always have to run a blobsquad or vets in chimeras
- Gives you more modeling options

Cons for doing this
-A little too similar to vets

Does anybody have any recommendations? Because I am trying to think of a way to balance this. Because as this stands now, it might be a bit overpowered.

Drop the WS to 4.

kinratha wrote:Drop the WS to 4.

Didn't realize that. I also had the attacks too high. Thanks for the heads up. But, what do you think of the idea?

I'd say the idea is pretty neat. The points cost would also be a limiting factor; you're trading numbers for a 4+ and an AP3 weapon, so you'll have more offensive punch and less longevity. It'd also mean you could make a pretty convincing aircav list.

Stormtroopers usually have Commissars attached, having come from the same Schola Progenium (sp??).

In the old IG codex, Stormtroopers taken as Troops lost their Deep Strike/ Infiltrate abilities and cost less. Aside from that they were the same. But their fluff was that they were taken from the regiment and taught by 'real' Stormtroopers. It was called the Grenadiers doctrine.


So if you want a 'real' Stormtrooper army, you could have sniper squads as Elites, squads where everyone has a special weapons as Heavy Support, some kind of Bike/ Cavalry unit for Fast Attack, then you've got all your FOC covered.


Do STs get Valkyries as transports? If not you could add them There was a regiment type from the old codex that used the Grenadiers doctrine and was a drop infantry regiment. They were called the Harakoni ... somethings. Fluff was they came from a world with lots of huge mountains. They would fly around hunting dragon type things. Twas epic, I've always have wanted to start a Harakoni army.


Also, if you were playing me, I'd let you use Orders, I can't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to.


Harakoni Warhawks, that's it. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Harakoni_Warhawks#.UAr_G6Dhja8

Its a cool idea. Stormtroopers are not OP or anything, so this would work. You could add a special character upgrade for your CCS that would make them troops, and force the CCS to take carapace armour and grant DS/Infiltrate.

Blacksails wrote:Its a cool idea. Stormtroopers are not OP or anything, so this would work. You could add a special character upgrade for your CCS that would make them troops, and force the CCS to take carapace armour and grant DS/Infiltrate.

That is what I'm thinking of trying.

Here is what I've got.

Meyer "Swampy" Marion

Fluff:
Born on the planet Chulak. An agri world that has a large swamp section to it. The Tau invaded and claimed the world for the greater good. Much of the local population didn't like this, and many of them went on to fight a long guerrilla war against them, Meyer(15 at the time) was among them. Over time and despite his age he proved himself to be a worth commander, and fighter. His ability to attack Tau/Gue'vesa, and disappear back into the swamps, lead to the creation of his nickname "Swampy" . After 3 years of fighting, the rebels were able to weaken Tau defenses enough so that the Imperium was able to reclaim the planet among them several Storm Trooper Companies. A few of the Storm Troopers higher ranking officers learned of what Meyer had done, saying that "While many a man turned traitor, this young lad held out for the glory of man and the Imperium and fought on." They granted his wish, and allowed him entrance into the Storm Trooper units, despite the fact that he had never Schola Progenium. He quickly rose through the rank, and eventually became leader of Storm Trooper Company himself.

Stats:
(WS:5 BS:5 S:3 T:4 W:3 I:3 Ld:10 A:3 Sv:4+)

Price: 145 points

Special rules:
Storm Troopers: Meyer's squad must be given Carapace armor.
Move Through Cover: Meyer and his squad get the move through cover USR
Stealth: Meyer and his squad get the Stealth USR
Storm Trooper Company If taken Storm Trooper are know available as troop choices, but Veteran squads become unavailable.
Autonomy: He cannot annot issue orders.

Bobthehero wrote:So I worked a bit on my Company officer, think I finally got his stats and price right.

Captain #5601 WS 5 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 3 I 3 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 4+

Equipement: Mastercrafted Hotshot Pistol, Carapace Armor, Power Sword, Frag and Krak grenades.

Rules: All 3 Krieg Rules, Senior Officer rules.

Can have Grenadiers as troops as well as replace veteran Guardsmen in his company command squad by Grenadier, for 20pts.

Price: 120 pts for the whole squad. (Grenadier upgrade not included)

Lore updated as well.

5601 story is pretty much the same as any other Kriegsman, destined to be a normal guardsman, he managed to live long enough to recieve the skull shaped mask of the Grenadiers. Once again coming out alive of this, he was given the rank of Captain, as is the custom in Krieg military. His men lead many assaults during the Siege of Vraks, as such, #5601 6th company of the 5th Krieg regiment has a high amount of veterans, but is also undermanned, as it sufferer a lot of causalties during the Siege.

Despite the losses, #5601 is still being sent at the forefront of most battles, his veterans being used as either the spearhead of an assault or to hold a strongpoint.

That's my custom Company Commander for my upcoming Krieg army, Grenadiers, as mentionned above, are Stormies without deep strike.

His stats are the standard Company Commander for a Krieg army so just drop the WS by 1 for a normal IG army.

Bobthehero wrote:

Bobthehero wrote:So I worked a bit on my Company officer, think I finally got his stats and price right.

Captain #5601 WS 5 BS 4 S 3 T 3 W 3 I 3 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 4+

Equipement: Mastercrafted Hotshot Pistol, Carapace Armor, Power Sword, Frag and Krak grenades.

Rules: All 3 Krieg Rules, Senior Officer rules.

Can have Grenadiers as troops as well as replace veteran Guardsmen in his company command squad by Grenadier, for 20pts.

Price: 120 pts for the whole squad. (Grenadier upgrade not included)

Lore updated as well.

5601 story is pretty much the same as any other Kriegsman, destined to be a normal guardsman, he managed to live long enough to recieve the skull shaped mask of the Grenadiers. Once again coming out alive of this, he was given the rank of Captain, as is the custom in Krieg military. His men lead many assaults during the Siege of Vraks, as such, #5601 6th company of the 5th Krieg regiment has a high amount of veterans, but is also undermanned, as it sufferer a lot of causalties during the Siege.

Despite the losses, #5601 is still being sent at the forefront of most battles, his veterans being used as either the spearhead of an assault or to hold a strongpoint.

That's my custom Company Commander for my upcoming Krieg army, Grenadiers, as mentionned above, are Stormies without deep strike.

His stats are the standard Company Commander for a Krieg army so just drop the WS by 1 for a normal IG army.

I wasn't going to give him the ability to issue orders, and the cost for the carapace armor for the squad would be on top of the 145 points for him . Also the fluff doesn't bother me as much as getting him/rules balanced. Where are special rules for a Krieg army, and are there any other IG armies like them? I'd heard of them, but I've never seen them. Where could I find them? I want to get this army right so I appreciate your help. Do you have any other suggestions to make this balanced/unique list?

Quoted the wrong post here's the latest and probably final version

Bobthehero wrote:I rethinkered Captain #5601, a lot, giving him custom orders and a few goodies, not sure of the price, thinking about 90 points, he'd be an upgrade for the Company Commande

Stats line
WS: 5
BS: 4
S: 3
T: 3
W: 3
I: 3
A: 3
Ld: 10
SV: 4+

Wargear: Mastercrafted hotshot laspistol with intergrated vox system, powersword, carapace armor, frag grenades

The vox system allows 5601 to send his order 6'' further, 12'' if the squad has a vox caster of their own (the leadership roll cannot be re-rolled in this case)

Special rules: Veteran company, 2 new orders ''They are already dead'' and ''Grenadiers, form rank! Fire at will!'', Senior Officer, Iron Discipline, Die Hards, Hardened Fighters (the last 3 rules are standard for any Krieg soldider find them here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/k/kreig.pdf)

Veteran company: Grenadiers maybe taken as troops, the veterans of the Company Command squad have the same gear as a standard Grenadiers

''They are already dead'': The unit who received this order may fire at units locked in melee, shots that miss are resolved agaisnt friendly troops, all normal saves apply.

''Grenadiers, form rank! Fire at will!'': This works the same as FRFSRF but for Grenadiers, it affects the following weapons: Hotshot lasgun/laspistol, grenade launcher and heavy stubber.

Quick comparison to Creed: Can give 2 orders to Creed 4, can potentially reach 24'' just as Creed, his single hotshot laspistol is MC (count as twin linked, right? or did memory failed again), however he gets a power sword and +1 WS, also custom orders. No tactical genius sheninagans, but there's the FoC sheninagans.

Blacksails wrote:You could add a special character upgrade for your CCS that would make them troops

I really hate this kind of thing (no offence). Instead have a special HQ that gives it, like some Ork and DE HQs can let you take elites or HS as troops. Perhaps a Lord Commissar lets you take storm troopers as troops since they have enough respect and authority to lead them. Either that or make a simple CCS upgrade that gives them HSLG/HSLP, carapace armour, and the special operations. As for the cost of such an HQ, maybe 90-100 points.