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Hi guys,

So I bought an aegis defense line and realized it looks bad on any non-imperium army. So I made an eldar one based on the guardian shields in DoW2. Just a few questions:

1) The ADL comes with two parts, a big and small barricade. If I make exactly the same amount of small and big ones as the ADL, would that be a suitable proxy?

2) Because the Eldar plasma shield is slightly taller than the ADL, I get a bit more LOS blocking. Please see the attached pictures.

So in essence, would this be legal for tourney play? Thanks!

that's not "slightly taller. That's a lot more LOS blocking. That's a hell of a lot more. Couldn't you make the big one out of two smaller overlapping so that it has the boob-shape of the original large part?

A small discrepency in size wouldn't matter too much since the rule is now 25% blocking, so most everything manages to get in cover anyway... but still.

I doubt it would be tournament "legal" but some TOs might allow it. If the big one wasn't so silly big, I'd have no problem playing against it.

Although I think it looks... well, not great. Some kind of clear plastic would probably server better as force shields.

From the pictures the larger shield is about 50% taller. that is significantly more line of sight blocking.

nosferatu1001 wrote:From the pictures the larger shield is about 50% taller. that is significantly more line of sight blocking.

In the middle where the real one bulges down his shield looks to be over 100% taller.

Hmm... How about I make a plastic version with a small line indicating where LOS stops? So it will have the outline of the original ADL on it?

dnptan wrote:Hmm... How about I make a plastic version with a small line indicating where LOS stops? So it will have the outline of the original ADL on it?

Well, if you could make it look like lightning or something skittering over the surface of the shield, it might not look bad. But just tracing "rules-lines" would make it look terrible. Then you might as well use the GW models.

I am hoping for a quick wave of either new codexes (hah!) or new race-specific terrain for fortifications. Would love to see the old spore tower and breeding pools for nids come back!

I'm loving the concept, I think that's truly cool. Is that just painted flyscreen mesh?

In friendly games (hell, even at a tournament) I'd be happy to face it if we could come up with some appropriate house rules, but I doubt a TO would allow it.

However, looking at the smaller section, it appears to be about the right height. So, would it be possible to model the larger sections as actually being two smaller shields, joined by another, even smaller shield so that they overlap? The resulting piece could then be closer to the right shape and size of the original.

Cheexsta wrote:So, would it be possible to model the larger sections as actually being two smaller shields, joined by another, even smaller shield so that they overlap? The resulting piece could then be closer to the right shape and size of the original.

That was exactly my suggestion.

Hmm that sounds like a good idea. I like the plastic idea (I think it would look more realistic) But the underwiring I used for the mesh (yes it's flyscreen!) allows me to bend it. I have no idea how I can do that with plastic and allow it to keep its flexibility.

dnptan wrote:Hmm that sounds like a good idea. I like the plastic idea (I think it would look more realistic) But the underwiring I used for the mesh (yes it's flyscreen!) allows me to bend it. I have no idea how I can do that with plastic and allow it to keep its flexibility.

If you take a clear plastic pint glas, it's bent sideways at least. You're not gonna get an arching at the top though.

You're gonna need some skill and imagination to not just have it look like a piece of a pint glas though

Very interesting concept, but I'd either make it shorter for obvious reasons or let your opponent "see" through it, especially since it's "battlefield debris" instead of an actual fortification. In general I don't think you'd ever not be able to see the model over it with the default model so I think this is a reasonable approach.

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=24593&catid=441

could overlap those and use heat gun to soften em to bend into an arc or whatever to make them have the top down profile of aegis lines somewhat?


they have some clear angle too that you could use as a base as well?


http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23554&catid=442

or square and could just cute it from that?

Hmm interesting Ideas. I have 0 skill with heat guns though. And as for the plastic cup, I can kinda see it working... If only water bottles weren't ribbed. Sigh.

not hard! very cheap tool too! can usually get one at at a discount hardware store for $10 or so.

Once you cut the bottoms of the circles flat and align them all in a strip that is longer than the desired finished length you'd just glue them together in that arrangement, let them dry and hold the gun a few inches 6-12" can easily tell if its too hot and what not and it will usually become prettly pliable for a few seconds! US plastics is cheap enough usually that if you do mess up a little bit that chances are you probably have enough left over.

Ostrakon wrote:Very interesting concept, but I'd either make it shorter for obvious reasons or let your opponent "see" through it, especially since it's "battlefield debris" instead of an actual fortification. In general I don't think you'd ever not be able to see the model over it with the default model so I think this is a reasonable approach.

Gretchin are completely hidden by all parts of the wall.

I made my own Aegis line for my eldar as well out of air-hardening clay.





I made the long and short edges the same dimensions as the imperial walls so there would not be any calls of cheating.

You can see a step-by-step on how I made this at: http://daboyzateam.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=painting&action=display&thread=3392

As of today, the walls have been sanded down further and glued to a base and I added sand. I'll try to get more pics up in the next day or so.

Thats a really nice ADL!!

Thanks guys haha. I think I'll stick with vanilla ADL for now. I'm trying to get access to my lab's 3-D printer. I'll let y'all know how that goes

That eldar custom wall is amazing. Great job!

Some 3rd parties better get on the ball!

I would love to see a Dakka article of how people make race-specific game legal sized fortifications.

I have a set of the ork barricades and I was going to try to modify them so one side of them had no gravel so models could stand up against it.

Looks great...

So all races can take bastions, Skyshields and ADLs? Just pay the points?

doktor_g wrote:So all races can take bastions, Skyshields and ADLs? Just pay the points?

Yes.

dnptan wrote:So in essence, would this be legal for tourney play? Thanks!

The only person who can answer that is whoever is overseeing the rules of the tournament you are entering. There is no single, world-wide tournament standard.


Having said that, the closer they match the profile of the official model, the fewer problems you will have with TOs and other players.

very fancy, grubnards!

Sorry if this is slight threadomancy, but I had an idea today that I'm going to try out: take large plastic freezer bags and cut them up with carved bits of sprue holding them up at each end like shield pylons. If it works out, I can post pictures.