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When reading the Jetbike rules, the BRB states that they are not slowed by difficult terrain.

Does this also include not having their initiative reduced to 1?

Firstborn wrote:
When reading the Jetbike rules, the BRB states that they are not slowed by difficult terrain.

Does this also include not having their initiative reduced to 1?

They most assuredly are. Unless they have assault G'nades

They are not slowed means their movement is not reduced.

They still strike at Initiative 1, just like every other unit (Barring exceptions) that moves through difficult terrain.

 DeathReaper wrote:
They are not slowed means their movement is not reduced.

They still strike at Initiative 1, just like every other unit (Barring exceptions) that moves through difficult terrain.

Except, there's a case to be made that they never move "through" difficult terrain, it says right there in the Jetbike rules "Jetbikes can always move over all other models and all terrain freely" moving over most assuredly is not moving through.

One could also argue that ending their move in difficult terrain does not constitute moving through it, because they didn't move through it, they moved over it then stopped moving and became in it, but they never moved while travelling through it.

In which case they would strike at normal initiative value.

Well it is an interesting question, I don't think it is a blanket case of "moving over" though. If the model goes through terrain and finishes there it has not moved over the terrain, I'd call that charching into/through terrain. To move over the terrain means to have moved beyond it.
If the unit moves over terrain to charge but charges a unit that is in the open, I would see it as a case of no penalty.
HOWEVER, if the model charged a unit in cover/terrain, I would see it as a case of take the dangerous terrain check and then hit at I1.

Similar to jump paks using their jump pack movement in the assault phase; they never move THROUGH the terrain, just end IN the terrain

Did they move over the terrain and are they still "over it"?
I know this is going to go this way so I may as well just dive in. They only have permission to over over freely, if they don't move over and land on terrain they haven't moved over it, they have moved onto or into it.

Right, but onto or into doesn't necessarily equate to "through" and could very well not be indicative of moving through said terrain.

It's really not a question of "have they moved over this terrain?" It's a question of, as the assault rules tell us "have they moved through this terrain?"

Now that i read it....
The Assault rules only state that you are charging through difficult terrain if you move through difficult terrain as part of your charge move. And while jetbikes can move over difficult terrain, they don't have permission to charge over difficult terrain.
There is a difference between movement and assault movement, as evidenced by the subsection "ASSAULT." Here it states that bikes are not slowed by terrain, although it shows us that the game clearly treats these two movements uniquely as far as how it works.

Apparently this has been argued to death as it is addressed in the BRB FAQ.... They are still attacking at init 1.

Gravmyr wrote:
Apparently this has been argued to death as it is addressed in the BRB FAQ.... They are still attacking at init 1.

Must have missed it. Just glanced through it, pg # or copy and paste pretty please ^^

Pg 3 Right hand side half way down.

Q: Do models that ignore difficult terrainwhen moving or charging
still fight at Initiative step 1 if they charge through difficult terrain?
(p22)
A: Yes.

Not the same thing at all; jet bikes move over the terrain, they do not charge through it

Gravmyr wrote:
Pg 3 Right hand side half way down.

Q: Do models that ignore difficult terrainwhen moving or charging
still fight at Initiative step 1 if they charge through difficult terrain?
(p22)
A: Yes.

Yep, whiffed on it somehow. Guess I was looking too hard for Jet and or Bikes.
Still though, it's not the same, jetbikes don't ignore difficult terrain. They fly over it, and take DT tests if they start/end their move in it (IIRC)
I'd personally play it the same way though. less confusing that way

Kinda boggles the mind otherwise.... A Necron C'Tan simply walks at a unit altering physics by existing and still attacks at a init 1 while jetbike crashes through the foliage being partially blinded and attacking normally? Not that logic has to be applied though...