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Played for about the third time in the last 8 months tonight, and went back to a format I've liked in the past- army swap.

We each brought a 1000 point list, played a game and then traded armies and played again. I really, really enjoyed it- there was the freshness of playing a different army and of seeing your own army from the other side of the table. Each player scored cumulative victory points- so added your points from game 1 and 2 together.

It encouraged bringing a build that wasn't overly lopsided, or at the very least would make for an interesting game. And if you could build an army that required some extra brain power to use, you might be able to gain an advantage. i.e. I might have the edge if I bring several units that have to work together in complement instead of a more obvious deathstar. My opponent might struggle more when managing the former, but can pretty well figure out the latter.

Anyone else try this? If so, what did you think? If not, then you should try it!

RZ

I've played mirror matches before but haven't tried swapping armies. I'll have to give this a go soon.

In the yearly tournament at my old club, this was a standard scenario for the second to last game - straight army swap.

Army swap games have always weirded me out a bit in practice, but I dig the concept

 Red_Zeke wrote:
We each brought a 1000 point list, played a game and then traded armies and played again. I really, really enjoyed it- there was the freshness of playing a different army and of seeing your own army from the other side of the table. Each player scored cumulative victory points- so added your points from game 1 and 2 together.

Now the idea of playing multiple small games (1000-1500 points) and averaging the results together I like a lot, and is the guiding light getting me interested in Fantasy again. Smaller games means I can actually get another army painted - aiming for 2500 from the start sucks, and will always involve running unpainted stuff - and multiple of them means I can still get quite a bit of game on, despite not having the grand scale of tournament-sized mayhem. Also, I'm tired of building for the 2400-2500 meta, while small games (1000-2000) have a delightfully different compositional feel to them. List building that takes scarcity into account is far more of a treat than design-a-deathstar

(It should also be noted that as warhammer is primarily a game of luck, playing multiple games to determine a winner makes some sense simply from a mathematical perspective!)

- Salvage

I played an army swap game of 40k at a tournament once. I think its a nice thing to have every now and then.

It can really seperate the good generals from the bad. Doing good with it means you can show how well rounded you are.

I will never try this again, I do not want under any circumstance to have random people leave their filthy marks upon things I have spent considerable time on painting. And before some hothead goes screaming hater at me, yes I did try this once. It left me with several broken Infernal Guards and a hate for this kind of thing.

Yeah, that I could understand. I would of course guage the situation. If its a hyper little kid with greasy fingers I would raise an objection.

No in fact it was a imbecile that would better of dead. And I dont let kids near my models. as I am somewhat intolerant of said life forms

Well, the trick is to be playing with folks you trust in the first place...

After a former player always complained about my army being ridiculously overpowered, I asked him, before the game started, to swap armies.

He utterly lost, tabled him by turn 4. Asked for a re-match with him playing his own list, he lost by turn 5 despite rolling really lucky. The next time, we did the same and after that day, he just quit it.

Good decision on his part.

Yup, it is a good tool for removing a whiner's complaints.

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Well, the trick is to be playing with folks you trust in the first place...

I did...or so I thougth

I guess I'm saying that if you were playing "a imbecile that would better of dead" you were due for a pretty awful game regardless.

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
In the yearly tournament at my old club, this was a standard scenario for the second to last game - straight army swap.

I can see a bunch of problems with that working out smoothly, but it does sound like a ton of fun.

That is until I would get matched up with someone I don't like fondling and knocking over my models while I'm being careful with his.

 Red_Zeke wrote:
I guess I'm saying that if you were playing "a imbecile that would better of dead" you were due for a pretty awful game regardless.

Hindsight is often the easiest form of wisdom. But yes... I once had a much more open and friendly mind when it came to strangers. Then I meet a Tau player who had recently gotten into fantasy