Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

In response to a question about who's down to sculpt the Orc on the Wyvren

@Andy S. Gary Morley - we've had some sculpts from him recently (inc an Orc) which you might see at some point and they're excellent! Me and Rob are big fans of his elves (Rob had an all metal High Elf army that was 90% Morley back in the day) so we've fanboi'd out a bit recently ;0) In fact, if people keep pledging an elf (or two)might even appear at some point! I've also been chatting to my old mate Sean Green recently and he's interested in coming out of sculpting retirement for this project, which is great news!

Oh good. That won't be a polarizing choice at all, then

Gary Morley!

What is he known for, I feel like I'm missing a reference to something?

Well, among many other things...the original Nagash.

Unfair or not, there it is!

And yes, I know there's a story there, and that the original head isn't the one we eventually got, etc. etc.

I'm hoping that 'freed' from the constraints of GW-Style, he can shine!

Once upon a time a young Gary Morley was asked to sculpt the super special snowflake undead, Nagash himself

he did so coming up with a mini he liked, but..... design didn't (he needs a skull not zombie head) so he threw one together really fast and shoddily expecting them to say 'that's rubbish' and go for the original

the didn't and loved the pumpkin/skull combo thus Nagash the Horrible came to be released

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/entry.php?471-In-Defence-of-Gary-Morley

Gary Morley has sculpted some of the worst miniatures GW ever produced.....I'm tempted to drop my pledge and remove the Wyvern option after hearing this news.

Some of Gary ' s work.

This WAS going to be my first mierce order. I need a orc on a wyvern for my Kings of War army, but not if done by The same person who made those. Please someone show us some of his good work.

 Theophony wrote:
This WAS going to be my first mierce order. I need a orc on a wyvern for my Kings of War army, but not if done by The same person who made those. Please someone show us some of his good work.

He's not good, but not everything he makes is trash like some people online say.

So many skulls on that first figure. Totally didn't see the skulls making up the inside of the cloak until a second pass

I see 8 not counting those - am I missing any?

"Classic GW style" is right

Morley has done some great stuff, a lot of the crap he did at GW was at a time when a large amount of what they were releasing was mostly crap, they'd changed to that cartoonish style and it made everything gak.

It's a shame you have to buy the entire minis and not just bits, the new head and arms on the demon lady look awesome, but I don't like the body.

 RiTides wrote:
So many skulls on that first figure. Totally didn't see the skulls making up the inside of the cloak until a second pass

I see 8 not counting those - am I missing any?

"Classic GW style" is right

To be fair, that is Heinrich Kemmler, the great Wizard of deathy death magic - if ever there was a model that justified a little skull lovin then he'd be near the top of the list!

Also, to be fair, the Wyvern is already sculpted and done and it is pretty spectacular, so it will just to be one sculpted orc rider that needs to be done. So I don't really see how it can go wrong.

and most of these guys



All Gary's work.

Kemmler (couple of posts above) is in my top 10 fave GW sculpts. For a sculpt that's over 20 years old it still holds its own to this day and doesn't even look out of place with the current aesthetic.

I know Gary - he hates that Nagash has stalked him for decades. It wasn't his best work he knows that - you have to bare in mind that back then the Studio was smaller, much smaller and there was a lot of pressure to have x done for y. I know from talking to more recent ex-GW sculptors that they have a lot more time per project in recent years. Also the sculpt pre-dates the awesome Mark Gibbons art that it is often compared to. There was no actual concept art of Nagash for Gary to work from - just a vague outline/story. It's also over 20 years old - people learn from experience. I think the Nagash/Morley is almost an internet meme now that gets wheeled by people and I think it's quite sad. You have to bear in mind that he has read some of those sort of comments and it must be very hurtful to be attacked and lambasted for something you did 20 years ago - a mediocre sculpt (that GW sold a ton of btw) and he gets hammered for it by people that like to think that a project you worked on 20 years ago will be the same quality as one you will work on today (and often compare the older project with someone else's more current one). I can think how that would effect someone's confidence in a field that they work in.

He's a lot more than the wheeled out examples and I know he always preferred to sculpt fantasy or Blood Bowl over 40k. He's doing great recently and his sculpts for Avatars of War are excellent.

I've a pretty good record of putting the right concept to the right sculptors, so indulge me a little. This piece is going to look great. I picked up some of Gary's personal sculpts recently 9that we will release in time)- they're fantastic. A very different look to Darklands (they'll likely be Bane Lords) but that's not surprising.
Darklands has a very 'Euro-style' near realistic look (weapons aside) in the main where as Gary's work (and a few other ex-GW guys such as Mike Anderson who adapted his style a little for his Rikard sculpt) is what they describe as more 'graphic'. I certainly want this Orc to match the 'chunky' style of the concept (a concept that Neil Hodgson nailed btw). It's a more classic UK style. One of the pieces we picked up from Gary is an Orc and it convinced me to offer him this project - it's excellent and apart from the head (which has a more WoW style, we may change or offer another head so people can choose) it matches the art direction of our Orc on Wyvern perfectly.



Sean Green (ex FW) will hopefully be working on a piece that we have yet to unveil. It's a piece that's perfect for him, he loves it (enough for me to have tempted him out of a sculpting hiatus) and again it doesn't pull away from the Darklands guys. It wouldn't even make sense in some cases to use some of the Darklands guys in some cases as the art direction is different in many cases.

We're also keen to ensure that we don't cannibalise work from the Darklands projects, or where we do use the same guys, we have already planned the Darklands schedule. For example Yannick Hennebo is working on changing Euryalia into the pleasure Demon - but he has a relatively open schedule at the mo and is only committed to a small amount of Darklands sculpts over the next 6 months (we left Allan Carrasco the orginal sculptor alone as he has plenty of Darklands stuff to do and a full schedule) . Ditto Dan Cockersell - all of his future work with us (Darklands and Banebeasts) are adaptations rather than full sculpts, which helps as he works full-time.

Behema/Erebius has had a wee delay over the latter end of 2014 as Dan got a promotion on a project at Weta Workshop which (naturally) impacted on his free time. He caught up nicely (as he predicted, so we weren't concerned) over his Xmas break though and is now back to a more normal routine. I've no issues giving Dan the Krull into War Daemon alterations. There's some thought gone into this ;0)

Timmy

Joyboozer wrote:
Morley has done some great stuff, a lot of the crap he did at GW was at a time when a large amount of what they were releasing was mostly crap, they'd changed to that cartoonish style and it made everything gak.

It's a shame you have to buy the entire minis and not just bits, the new head and arms on the demon lady look awesome, but I don't like the body.

You will be able to buy the bits when they reach retail release (Mierce is brilliant and let you buy individual bits for all their stuff)

however because of the resulpting the new bits might not fit on the original minis without a bit of conversion so if you do go down that route email them and check first

Gary Morley also sculpted the Mantic Drakon Riders IIRC.

That being said I think his style is well suited to Orcs and I am a little tempted by the Wyvern rider as an Orc Krudger on Winged Slasher for Kings of War.

 Baragash wrote:
Gary Morley also sculpted the Mantic Drakon Riders IIRC.

That being said I think his style is well suited to Orcs and I am a little tempted by the Wyvern rider as an Orc Krudger on Winged Slasher for Kings of War.

That was my plan as well.

I think his style is perfectly fine for the orcs.

 Baragash wrote:
Gary Morley also sculpted the Mantic Drakon Riders IIRC.

That being said I think his style is well suited to Orcs and I am a little tempted by the Wyvern rider as an Orc Krudger on Winged Slasher for Kings of War.

Are those the goofy looking lizards in an upright pose with their tongues sticking out? If so, I'm definitely not a fan.

Good point - I think the Gary Morely style will suit ORKS perfectly!

On top of that, I've always heard good things about him, and that he's an all around nice guy - so here's to wishing him the best, and to him cranking out a spectacular sculpt!

It's funded and the £7500 stretch goal is another Orc rider (heavy armour and ax) for the Wyvren (free to those getting it)

I can't access KS at the moment so somebody else is going to have to post the art

Here ya go..

And another intermediate goal, paid this time at £6250

Okay, most of the stuff he's done I can deal with then.....Drakkons aside, and the new add ons might have just pushed me over the top.

I'd love a Banebeasts game. Can't get my friends into Darklands lol.

But you could with a Banebeastie game?

Does not compute!

Hey, doesn't compute with me, just what I was told.

I think adoption of any of it is difficult to get started (obviously made much harder by the lack of a released rule book - even Infinity, with an established player base, had all the locals stop playing while waiting for N3). The banebeasts mods seem clearly aimed at use in other game systems, but it's tough timing with 9th Ed fantasy changes rumored to be so drastic!

May not be in full support of Bane Beasts but since you can order an extra Orc for the Wyvern I'd actually be interested in a Wyvern without an Orc. It'd be cool if "dragon riding" Geraint from Darklands was compatible with the updated sculpt.

PomWallaby wrote:
May not be in full support of Bane Beasts but since you can order an extra Orc for the Wyvern I'd actually be interested in a Wyvern without an Orc. It'd be cool if "dragon riding" Geraint from Darklands was compatible with the updated sculpt.

I like that idea.

I'd wanted a riderless Ceffyldraig anyways.

That wyvern would need some nicer gear though, since the armor it's currently illustrated with looks somewhat slapdash orc- style.