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Can Wierdboy Melta power automatically hit a flyer?

Zogwort is BS0 so he can't use any PSA.

 Shinkaze wrote:
Can Wierdboy Melta power automatically hit a flyer?

No due to the hard to hit rule.

However if the weirdboy was in a vehicle that was shaken, thus he would need to make snap shots, and fires the melta, which auto hits, then it auto hits still.

It's simply due to the hard to hit rule that it doesn't work vs fliers.

 juraigamer wrote:

 Shinkaze wrote:
Can Wierdboy Melta power automatically hit a flyer?

No due to the hard to hit rule.

However if the weirdboy was in a vehicle that was shaken, thus he would need to make snap shots, and fires the melta, which auto hits, then it auto hits still.

It's simply due to the hard to hit rule that it doesn't work vs fliers.

Incorrect. Models with BS 0 can not shoot, so the Wierdboy can never use a PSA.



For reference:
"Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with Zooming Flyers and Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and novas."

40k FAQ found here

 DeathReaper wrote:

Incorrect. Models with BS 0 can not shoot, so the Wierdboy can never use a PSA.

Can't a BS0 model still make Snap shots?

 puma713 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

Incorrect. Models with BS 0 can not shoot, so the Wierdboy can never use a PSA.

Can't a BS0 model still make Snap shots?

Nope. A BS0 model can never make a shooting attack.

rigeld2 wrote:

 puma713 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

Incorrect. Models with BS 0 can not shoot, so the Wierdboy can never use a PSA.

Can't a BS0 model still make Snap shots?

Nope. A BS0 model can never make a shooting attack.

The rules say that if a model is forced to make a snap shot, it does so at Ballistic Skill 1, rather than its normal ballistic skill.

Can you point me to the passage that says if you have a BS0, that you cannot ever make a shooting attack? Just so I can see it.

It is in the FaQ.

Q: What happens if a model with BS0 takes a Snap Shot? Do they count as having a BS of 1? (13)
A: Models with BS 0 cannot make any form of Shooting attack – see the rules for zero-level characteristics on page 3.

 DeathReaper wrote:
It is in the FaQ.

Q: What happens if a model with BS0 takes a Snap Shot? Do they count as having a BS of 1? (13)
A: Models with BS 0 cannot make any form of Shooting attack – see the rules for zero-level characteristics on page 3.

Gotcha. Thanks.

Plus P.3 tells us that "Some creatures have been given a 0 for certain characteristics, which means that they have no ability whatsoever in that field"

 DeathReaper wrote:

 juraigamer wrote:

 Shinkaze wrote:
Can Wierdboy Melta power automatically hit a flyer?

No due to the hard to hit rule.

However if the weirdboy was in a vehicle that was shaken, thus he would need to make snap shots, and fires the melta, which auto hits, then it auto hits still.

It's simply due to the hard to hit rule that it doesn't work vs fliers.

Incorrect. Models with BS 0 can not shoot, so the Wierdboy can never use a PSA.

Waitwaitwaitwait.....

So, if Wierdboys have no BS, does that mean they can't use Zzap or Frazzle if they roll it?

 Begel Dverl wrote:
So, if Wierdboys have no BS, does that mean they can't use Zzap or Frazzle if they roll it?

That's technically correct.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Plus P.3 tells us that "Some creatures have been given a 0 for certain characteristics, which means that they have no ability whatsoever in that field"

I would consider that fluff, not a rule. As the rule doesn't go on to mention Ballistic Skill, hence why it had to be FAQed.

weirdboyz got bs2 only da old git got bs0

he can auto hit anything but flyers when he toss a 2 or 3. ( with that i mean the weirdboy!)

Zogwort can't use PSA. They even have a FAQ asking if he rolls a PSA can he choose to reroll... And the answer is no. Which means save his warhead reroll, or focus on ICs. (Zoggy is a broken mess, don't even use him)


Regular weird boys have BS, but things that don't roll to hit don't hit flyers due to hard to hit.

 puma713 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
Plus P.3 tells us that "Some creatures have been given a 0 for certain characteristics, which means that they have no ability whatsoever in that field"

I would consider that fluff, not a rule. As the rule doesn't go on to mention Ballistic Skill, hence why it had to be FAQed.

In GW's mind that is a rule.

We are talking about weirdboys here guys.

Says so in the title.

No mention of zogwort was made in OP's post.

 juraigamer wrote:
We are talking about weirdboys here guys.

Says so in the title.

No mention of zogwort was made in OP's post.

Yea I think This post was throwing people off:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Zogwort is BS0 so he can't use any PSA.

I read this and thought we were talking about Zogwort.

Lets read the other FAQ that apply to this. It says here in 1 that snap shots still auto when snap shot. In 2 we establish that psychis shots can be snap shot. 3 explains that ONLY SNAP SHOTS CAN HIT FLIERS so all the beams and templets can not hit them.

So if you can snap shoot ZZAP number 3 does not apply since you snap shot it. It clearly states that only snap shots work, all the other thing explained can not be snap shot, therfore cannot hit fliers.

So ZZAP can auto hit fliers because it is a SNAP SHOT.


1
Q: Does a weapon that hits automatically, still hit automatically
when making a Snap Shot? (p13)
A: Yes.

2
Q: Can psychic shooting attacks be fired as Snap Shots (assuming
that the Psyker has enough Warp Charge available and requires a
roll to hit)? (p13)
A: Yes, but only in your own Shooting phase. This means that
psychic shooting attacks cannot be made when firing
Overwatch.
3
Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon
that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with
Zooming Flyers and Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Swooping
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and
novas.

stormboy97, you might want to have another read of those, because your #2 and 3 actually prove that you can't use Zzzap against a flier...

stormboy97 wrote:
In 2 we establish that psychis shots can be snap shot.

... if they roll to hit.

Zzzap doesn't roll to hit.

3 explains that ONLY SNAP SHOTS CAN HIT FLIERS so all the beams and templets can not hit them.

It also says that anything that doesn't roll to hit can't be used.

So not only can Zzzap not be fired as a Snap Shot, since it doesn't roll to hit it can't be used against fliers anyway.

FAQ wrote:Therefore, any attacks that use blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them.

Sorry, Stormboy. No hitting flyers with zzap. I wish it could.

Q. Which Weirdboy psychic power is a psychic shooting attack? (p37)
A. Frazzle and Zzap (though they include a few exceptions to
the normal shooting rules, as specified in their description).

so they have exceptions to the normal shooting rules since they auto hit.

Does codex overrule rulebook?

so does the exception carry over to snap shooting?

thank you FAQ crew for making it so clear

They auto hit. But the flyer FAQ says that things which normally auto hit cannot even target a zooming flyer.

It also says that anything that doesn't roll to hit can't be used.

unless it is a snap shot, which is the first thing it says

Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Swooping
Flying Monstrous Creatures.

Q: Can psychic shooting attacks be fired as Snap Shots (assuming
that the Psyker has enough Warp Charge available and requires a
roll to hit)? (p13)

is this where the ork codex exception takes effect?

The auto hit when rolling to hit i think is mainly for telsa weapons, as they generate two extra auto hits when they roll a 6 to hit.

Anything that doesnt need to roll to hit cannot hit a flyer, no exceptions.

 Mannahnin wrote:
They auto hit. But the flyer FAQ says that things which normally auto hit cannot even target a zooming flyer.

unless they are a snap shot

Did you read all the way to the end of that FAQ answer?

Q: Can psychic shooting attacks be fired as Snap Shots (assuming
that the Psyker has enough Warp Charge available and requires a
roll to hit)? (p13)

It's got to be a psychic shooting attack qhich requires a roll to hit, to be able to Snap Fire.

MarkyMark wrote:
The auto hit when rolling to hit i think is mainly for telsa weapons, as they generate two extra auto hits when they roll a 6 to hit.

Anything that doesnt need to roll to hit cannot hit a flyer, no exceptions.

They have a new FAQ in red that addresses tesla

Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Swooping
Flying Monstrous Creatures.

no exception unless it is a snap shot
are there any weapons that are auto hit that can be fired as a snap shot besides the weirdboy?


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It's got to be a psychic shooting attack qhich requires a roll to hit, to be able to Snap Fire.

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Q. Which Weirdboy psychic power is a psychic shooting attack? (p37)
A. Frazzle and Zzap (though they include a few exceptions to
the normal shooting rules, as specified in their description).

what are the exceptions to the rules?
are they treated as normal except that they auto hit and as you say not be able to snap shoot, or can they snap shoot since they are a codex exception to the rules?

The new FAQ in magenta just says:

Q: When making Snap Shots, do weapons with a special rule or effect that only applies on To Hit rolls of a 6 retain these abilities? For example Necron Tesla weapons? (p13)
A: Yes.

That doesn't have any bearing on Weirdboyz, unless they have some power I'm forgetting which rolls to hit, and has a special bonus effect if they roll a 6 to hit.


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stormboy97 wrote:

It's got to be a psychic shooting attack qhich requires a roll to hit, to be able to Snap Fire.

Q. Which Weirdboy psychic power is a psychic shooting attack? (p37)
A. Frazzle and Zzap (though they include a few exceptions to
the normal shooting rules, as specified in their description).

what are the exceptions to the rules?
are they treated as normal except that they auto hit and as you say not be able to snap shoot, or can they snap shoot since they are a codex exception to the rules?

I'm not sure what exception you're talking about. Not all Psychic Shooting Attacks require a roll to hit. Some of them automatically hit. The FAQs say that if it requires a roll to hit, it can be Snap Fired (presuming it doesn't have some other specific prohibition on being Snap Fired), and thus it can potentially be used to hit a Zooming Flyer or Swooping FMC.

stormboy97 wrote:
what are the exceptions to the rules?
are they treated as normal except that they auto hit and as you say not be able to snap shoot, or can they snap shoot since they are a codex exception to the rules?

The exception to the rules is that they don't roll to hit... and the faq clarifies that this means it can't be used to snap fire.