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Hey There, Dakkaites - been a while. A few questions that I hope are not too complex for the infinite knowledge (or at least opinions) available on these here Intarwebz...

Death Ray - if the 1mm line "crosses" over models on different levels of a ruin, can it hit all of them, or just the ones on a "targeted level" - as per the template rules? It's not a template, and the rules/faq just say "models underneath" or "passed over" by the line...

If the line crosses three models, are those specific three models hit, or can your opponent decide which models to remove, or is it the "nearest three" to the Doom Scythe?

Can you take a cover save from the death ray? I assume so, as it does not say "no cover saves allowed" - but it is coming down from above, so the true-line-of-sight rules make it a bit hazy...

If a character on a Catacomb Command Barge (chariot) has his barge wrecked under him before his initiative step, but he survives - is he still considered in close combat with the unit that destroyed the barge? Chariots can't be locked in combat, and this was the argument used to deny the character the ability to participate in the combat at his initiative step. Seemed reasonable, but I'm not sure it's correct.

Challenge and Mind Shackle Scarabs use virtually identical language to describe when they go off. We ended up rolling off each turn to see which one happened first, but I wondered if anyone had a clear argument one way or the other as to which really should the order of events in this case?

If a character on a Catacomb Command Barge (chariot) has his barge wrecked under him before his initiative step, but he survives - is he still considered in close combat with the unit that destroyed the barge?

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3170233a_40K_RULEBOOK_v1.4_APRIL13.pdf

Q: If a Chariot is Wrecked or suffers an Explodes! result in close
combat, does the rider remain locked in combat with the unit they
were fighting? (p82)
A: No, they perform an Emergency Disembarkation.

Challenge and Mind Shackle Scarabs use virtually identical language to describe when they go off. We ended up rolling off each turn to see which one happened first, but I wondered if anyone had a clear argument one way or the other as to which really should the order of events in this case?

The player who's turn it is gets to choose the order they are resolved in.

1. You hit all non flyer models under the line
2. Normal wound allocation applies, so the nearest 3 to the doom scythe
3. Yes, you can take cover saves as normal
4. The overlord is not locked in combat, he just disembarks as normal.
5. The player that it's his turn to play, decides the order.

Thanks, Avatar 720. That helps!


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Copper Talos - Re: 1&2

So, if the Doom Scythe is moving perpendicular to the line of the Death Ray, and inflicts three casualties, the furthest one touched by the line may be further away than other models in the same unit. So, you really ignore the line, using it only to determine the number of wounds to roll, and still take the nearest three - even though some of them were not touched by the line at all?

I just want to be sure I am understanding that correctly from a rules perspective.

Thanks!

Yes. Exactly what you just said. Take away the nearest models, using the line to just establish wounds.

Gracias. Clear as a bell now.

copper.talos wrote:
1. You hit all non flyer models under the line

Do you have any Rules to back this one up?

Its a "Template" weapon, so surely you must nominate one level?

Bloodhorror wrote:

copper.talos wrote:
1. You hit all non flyer models under the line

Do you have any Rules to back this one up?

Its a "Template" weapon, so surely you must nominate one level?

Where is it listed as a "template" weapon?

You draw a line. Isn't that a sort of template just as Jaws of the World wolf is?


Or am i thinking of Fantasy and getting it confused with Cracks Call...?

Getting confused with Fantasy.

JotWW and Death Ray are not templates.

Yea you're probably thinking of fantasy cannons.