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Hola! So I thought I mihgt make a post abput the new ELdar codex in a POSITIVE!!!!!!!! Light. Yes I know that I have voiced my opinion in other threads but maybe it is time for the full story...

Yes Eldar are a great army they were here for me for about three years now (I started war gaming about then) and I loved the codex and I thought that the items inside of it were great I looked over all its flaws all the stupid things that no one would ever use (Vypers, Shining spears, ETC.) and I played with them often and loved them. Now with 6th edition I was somewhat sad. Becoming more aware of what was wrong with the dex, the new rules, and mostly getting made fun of for playing an army that was so "lame, stupid, not superior." as local hobbiests who used to play them till 6th came out said to me (Note they favored more crap like Mattards brand of flying pyscho Landraiders and death machines.) But I guess this is enough back story.

Enough back story I am off my the new Codex? I love it honestly I have read it over so many times and have fielded my army about twice now and loved it. Honestly the Farseer is still nice I love the powers I think the only one I truly do not like is "Death Mission" but more positive things then. You've seen it all before but let me go over some nice highlights. WEAPONS! Sweet mother of Isha are the weapons great and basically if you have awesome dice rolls then you'll be drinking your opponents tears in a golden chalice I fell like that is the same thing with the pyschic powers that everyone is unhappy about... Still 99% of the time your pyschic powers are epic if used correctly (USE THAT ELDRICH STORM ON THEM CAMPING TAU!!!!! ) Vehicles are now great I feel like they got their rightful upgrades and they finally are worth the points especially wave serpents.... They deserve muffins :3 I would love to hear anyone elses comments down below let us get a positive train going!!!! >: D NO HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happily, the codex is good not perfect like everyone was hoping but no codex is ever perfect. I could discuss all the bad things but I know one troll is gonna come by and sneak in a comment about how much the new Dex sucks (They deserve to get flogged by the way.) So type away!!!!!

Happily, the codex is good not perfect like everyone was hoping but no codex is ever perfect.

The GK was and the necron still are.

The spiders got a nice change. Wrights got better too. I don't think anything else changed to be realy good. Maybe the quad las flyer , it is no vendetta , but it is cheap enought o be run as an anti flyer or anti tank support unit.

You're not alone, in fact there are plenty of threads in a positive tone about the new book. If anything the nay-sayers are the obnoxious vocal minority as per usual on the Internet. Even Kirby over at 3++ seems to be happy with the new book.

Time will tell though.

I sure I read somewhere that GW did offer an unofficial apology (EDIT: not by podcast, obviously, more likely something at Games Day) about the Greyknights codex, even so, it does seem like with the 6th Edition releases they've made a point to curb the power creep, I'd expect big nerfs in the next GK, SW and IG codexes. All in all the 6th Codexii seem really balanced, certainly the one and only ridiculous unit is the Hell Drake.

EDIT: Ok, so I can't find the information to back up the edited statement, though I stand by it.

It's a good codex.

The only thing I disliked about it was the Banshees staying the same.

 Farseer_Kaiser wrote:
GW did offer an unofficial apology (by podcast, I believe) about the Greyknights codex

lol. Link?

I'm really happy with it. It's not a blast of super-powers, it's a tightening and a tidying, bringing them into line with 6th ed. and the appropriate fluff, with a few holes fixed up, and some fun new units. Best anti-flyer unit in the game, scariest monster thing (WK of course - which even if it's not as super powerful as it looks is still going to intimidate your enemy all game as it jumps around melting stuff).

Things I was dissapointed with - no assault transport for my scorpions/banshees. Made me sad, because the Banshees are basically useless now :(

Things I was confused by - super infitrate on a sniper, but not Karandras? Battle focus on jetbikes and shining spears? Other than that, it's great.

Having played and lost two games under the new codex last weekend I can say that they are no easier to play (at least for noobies like me), and if anything are even trickier...

 Troike wrote:

 Farseer_Kaiser wrote:
GW did offer an unofficial apology (by podcast, I believe) about the Greyknights codex

lol. Link?

I too am curious and would like to hear this

I'm loving this codex - I'm not HAVING to have farseers everywhere to get the most out of my space elves...


They are able to acheive things without farseers!

Whenever someone is immediately dismissive of a new codex, I think back a few months to the CSM release. I don't think anyone realized right away how good the Heldrake was. The usual response was "Meh, I'd rather have a Helltalon."

To anyone who immediately disliked the Eldar codex: maybe we just haven't discovered the best combos or the real cheese yet.

The old Must-Haves seem to now have competition with what used to called useless or overpriced.
There are a few that might have been tweaked a bit more, and there are a couple of duff choices still (Banshees), but there are some handy updates (Warp Spiders, Night Spinner).
The good got a bit better, and the old stand-bys can still hold their own.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 Farseer_Kaiser wrote:
GW did offer an unofficial apology (by podcast, I believe) about the Greyknights codex

lol. Link?

I too am curious and would like to hear this

GW does podcasts now?

It is probably one of those one guy who knows a guy told me that he heard that someone from GW in a private talk said that GW wanted to make a codex work in 2 editions and they over did it a bit .

That would even make sense . Rifleman as AA guns and anti tank support , make at lot more sense , then the death dealing machines they were at the end of 5th ed.

Makumba wrote:
It is probably one of those one guy who knows a guy told me that he heard that someone from GW in a private talk said that GW wanted to make a codex work in 2 editions and they over did it a bit .

That would even make sense . Rifleman as AA guns and anti tank support , make at lot more sense , then the death dealing machines they were at the end of 5th ed.

GKs in 5th were easy mode win buttons, :sigh: I miss those days even if they were very few. I started at the tail end of 5th. This edition has brought them in line. They are not the demi-gods of old. All the great ap3 and ap2 weapons just being thrown around in all the new dex's makes any 20+pt marine a said panda.

That eldar flyer with the bright lance is a really good flyer. Vector Dancer is the business.

I think the dex is good, it just woulda been great to see Acrobatics let Banshees assault out of Wave Serpents or Autarch making a squad or two troops. I gladly woulda paid the points for that, but with how OP Wave Serpents are I can understand the lack of it! Now if only I can find a way to talk myself out of blowing the cash on 3 fliers...

 ashrog wrote:
To anyone who immediately disliked the Eldar codex: maybe we just haven't discovered the best combos or the real cheese yet.

And hopefully we don't. I'd like to keep the unloyal away from our army.

I don't think that people actually dislike this codex because it is bad... But because it is rather bleak. It added very little to the previous codex - roughly a WD update worth of stuff have found its way into the new book - and let's be honest, it could be a bit ridiculous for someone who wanted something more. Read Just Dave's Eldar fandex then read the Eldar codex again to get an idea about what I'm talking about .

Yeah, the new Eldar codex is not bad, but it isn't good either. It has this weird "mass product" feel that plagues the 6th edition codices, and even though it shines brighter than the CSM codex, it is still stained with mediocrity and unimaginative ideas.

To be fair to the Necrons side they were not "broken" at the end of 5th edition but by the start of 6th yeah they were x.x

The main concern I see with Banshees is them not being able to take assault transports I have found out two things to do with them.

Against MEQ's whom like to deep strike I think banshees are a good unit to take against that or even BA's with assault packs then against termies well there is a one in six chance of your warlock to have a power that ups an enemies armor save by one making termies 3+ instead of two...

Another great thing is the Flyers they are good The one that is anti-Air at least I have not fielded the wraithfighter yet... :/


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 felixander wrote:
I think the dex is good, it just woulda been great to see Acrobatics let Banshees assault out of Wave Serpents or Autarch making a squad or two troops. I gladly woulda paid the points for that, but with how OP Wave Serpents are I can understand the lack of it! Now if only I can find a way to talk myself out of blowing the cash on 3 fliers...

 ashrog wrote:
To anyone who immediately disliked the Eldar codex: maybe we just haven't discovered the best combos or the real cheese yet.

And hopefully we don't. I'd like to keep the unloyal away from our army.

NO! Although three flyers would be nice they can't be taken in Vehicle squads which in itself blow. I mean if you field all three (I doubt you would) anything that tries touching the skies would die horribly but then you give up precious slots for Warp Spiders or SH's better yet if you have a a WarpFire SpiderDragon in that said squad then where would (he/she) go???

Not if you play 2000 points. People keep forgetting there's a second FOC.

Whenever someone is immediately dismissive of a new codex, I think back a few months to the CSM release. I don't think anyone realized right away how good the Heldrake was. The usual response was "Meh, I'd rather have a Helltalon."

Yeah. No. It was an FAQ that made the Heldrake what it is. Not the codex itself. The CSM codex is still probably the one outright fail so far in this edition. The other books are maybe a little bland in places, but all fairly solid non-the-less. The CSM book is ... bad. Especially now that we have an army (Tau) that can have so much excellent Skyfire/Interceptor units that will ruin the Heldrake's day. If, in a few months time, the Eldar book is actually being measured against the CSM book instead of say Tau, or DA, this book really will be a fail.

That being said, I feel like this codex will shine at higher point levels. A little disappointed in the Wraithknight (I was hoping it would have something akin to the utility of the Riptide), and I'm not sure how I feel about the Spiders yet, but over-all, I think this is going to turn out to be a decent book. Particularly with the fact that, as someone else mentioned, you no longer have to have a Farseer or Warlock every 6" across the entire battlefield in order to be effective.

EDIT:

I'd just like to add that I think they've really nailed the cover art on this once again. The 6th ed codexes all have really amazing cover art IMO and this book is no exception!

 AtoMaki wrote:
I don't think that people actually dislike this codex because it is bad... But because it is rather bleak. It added very little to the previous codex - roughly a WD update worth of stuff have found its way into the new book

I couldn't disagree with that more, it's far from bleak.

It is a strong competitive book, it just has some issues, many of which remain from the previous codex.

 shamikebab wrote:

 AtoMaki wrote:
I don't think that people actually dislike this codex because it is bad... But because it is rather bleak. It added very little to the previous codex - roughly a WD update worth of stuff have found its way into the new book

I couldn't disagree with that more, it's far from bleak.

It is only bleak relatively to what it could be. The diversity it has was the big merit of the old codex too, so nothing changed there. PK and his team just fixed a few stuff to be in line with 6th ed, threw in a handful of special rules and new units (most of them are slightly modified versions of other special rules/units), and the codex was just as good as done.

Yeah, bleak is maybe a little bit strong... Uncreative is a better word.

Uncreative is a better word.

Exactly like his CSM attempt ... I'm seeing a pattern here. lol

Tycho wrote:

Uncreative is a better word.

Exactly like his CSM attempt ... I'm seeing a pattern here. lol

This is very much my impression. Increasing the stats of guardians was *a* way to try and fix them, but a lazy way that didn't really solve their largest issues. Banshees, Vypers, Guardians, etc still have issues, while Eldrad likely will remain in a majority of Eldar lists.

I really love the new dex. But i never really had a problem with the old one. Now Guardians have a higher bs ws, their guns are rending, and they can run and shoot. That means my heavy weapon will shoot pretty much every turn. That alone is pretty cool. Also my SS having a power claw at initiative 6 is pissing off my ork friend and that's always nice.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Not if you play 2000 points. People keep forgetting there's a second FOC.

Not everyone plays double force org at 2k. Most of us find it to be cheesy and think that it's unnecessary except for spam.

That still doesn't change the fact that you could have your 3 fighters, and still some slots left for other choices.

Hmmmm good codex, wonder who wrote it? Matt Ward?


Phil Kelly of course!!!: Daemons(40k), CSM, DE, SW, Tyranids...
Just adding a little game balance one codex at a time.

 Talizvar wrote:
SW

 Talizvar wrote:
game balance

 ashrog wrote:
Whenever someone is immediately dismissive of a new codex, I think back a few months to the CSM release. I don't think anyone realized right away how good the Heldrake was. The usual response was "Meh, I'd rather have a Helltalon."

To anyone who immediately disliked the Eldar codex: maybe we just haven't discovered the best combos or the real cheese yet.

That was before the Baleflamer was on a 360 degree turret.

I haave ben gone for a week, What is the consensus on it? OP, just right with some fun Tricks or just MEH?