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Hey Dakka, looking for a bit of discussion on this.

"• If Illic Nightspear is able to join a unit to infiltrate with during deployment (even if that's just joining a unit that has the Infiltrate ability on its own), does this allow he and the unit he has joined to Infiltrate utilizing his 'Walker of the Hidden Path' special rules for Infiltrating (being able to deploy essentially anywhere)? "

This is taken from yakface's 6th Ed Eldar FAQ thread and is relevant for me due to a tournament FAQ round here. Basically, in this upcoming tournament, the judge has ruled that characters with Infiltrate may join units before deployment in order to allow them and the unit to Infiltrate.

Here's the relevant part of Illic's "Walker of the Hidden Path" rule:

"Illic Nightspear has the Infiltrate special rule, and can be deployed anywhere on the battlefield that is outside Impassible Terrain, regardless of enemy proximity..."

So then, would this ability also allow the unit Illic was Infiltrating with to be deployed 'regardless of enemy proximity"?

Thanks,

Iranna.

You don't join the unit before it infiltrates you join it by deploying in coherency, so Illics rule only applies to Illic I think.

The way I see it , he can be deployed anywhere if he's alone.
Once joined by a unit you 'd follow the most restrictive rule for infiltrate, at best infiltrating him closer while in coherency.
This however has no value, just HIWPI.

Drager wrote:
You don't join the unit before it infiltrates you join it by deploying in coherency, so Illics rule only applies to Illic I think.

"The judge has ruled that characters with Infiltrate may join units before deployment in order to allow them and the unit to Infiltrate."

That's been addressed - hence why the question is technically hypothetical.

Iranna.

Ahh sorry

There is nothing in his special rule that allows it to confer to the unit he has joined. So, regardless of whether Illic can join a unit pre-deployemnt, until something states this rule confers this special infiltration, you would have to follow the normal rules for infiltrate.

Best bet is to look at Shrike's Rule which explicitly states that him and his unit gain infiltrate.

Even with the ability to convey Infiltration to the squad, there is nowhere written that he can convey his unique Infiltration requirements to an attached squad...so they could not follow him if he used this ability.

So in other words another Eldar rule that does nothing useful, like battle focus on jetbikes.

Thanks GW.

Why would you ever want to infiltrate a single T3 5+ save guy close to the enemy?

I hate it when they give models ueless rules that are no doubt included in the costing when determining point value.

 Kyrolon wrote:
So in other words another Eldar rule that does nothing useful, like battle focus on jetbikes.

Thanks GW.

In fact, thanks to GW, because otherwise the independent characters attached to the order would not be able to run.

According to other threads, they still can't. Look for the debate on whether mixed units can run/boost when they don't all have the same rule. Of course this can all be solved in friendly play by working on the idea that they wouldn't give a unit a rule it couldn't use, but that isn't the purview of YMDC.

Not to mention they have done just that before with Waaaggghh in the Orc codex.

 Kyrolon wrote:
So in other words another Eldar rule that does nothing useful, like battle focus on jetbikes.

Thanks GW.

Why would you ever want to infiltrate a single T3 5+ save guy close to the enemy?

I hate it when they give models ueless rules that are no doubt included in the costing when determining point value.

I had mentioned this in another thread, but you can infiltrate Illic in an enemy deployment zone and then bring in ranger/pathfinder scoring units via deep strike. You can also infiltrate him in base contact with an opponent's quad gun and fire it at them first turn. It's situational, but it has its uses.

 Iranna wrote:

Drager wrote:
You don't join the unit before it infiltrates you join it by deploying in coherency, so Illics rule only applies to Illic I think.

"The judge has ruled that characters with Infiltrate may join units before deployment in order to allow them and the unit to Infiltrate."

That's been addressed - hence why the question is technically hypothetical.

Iranna.

This is a house rule, therefore you will need a house rule to answer your question. The RAW answer would be no.