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If this question has already been asked, I apologize in advance.

I recently played an apoc match against two eldar players and was subjected to Puppet Master on my Super Heavy Gauss Pylon. This model is from the forgeworld rules and under the faq it states that super heavies can only be affected by psychic powers with a given strength value. At the time, our moderater explained that the new apoc rules say nothing about psychic powers being used against super heavies so how allowed it to happen. Learning from this event, I immediately engaged the unit to stop them from casting it again, however I find it odd that a 100 pt model could possess a model that is incredibly complex. (The pdrevious rules talk about models with multiple brains, or hundreds of crewman required to operate the monstrous model) Eldar may dwarf every other army in psychic ability but I find it incredulous that a single model could replace hundreds of crewman or overpower multiple brains to command the model.

Is this faq'ed anywhere or am I to assume that only a house rule could supercede this tactic against super heavies? Being able to lose a super heavy armed with multiple D weapons is not something I want to experience again.
   
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Puppet master cannot effect any super heavies. No FAQ has changed this.
   
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 stompygitz wrote:
Puppet master cannot effect any super heavies. No FAQ has changed this.





In new apoc ed. it can! FW Faq now is not valid.

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How is the FW faq not valid if its a model on avsilable on FW?
   
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The FW FAQ was an update to Apocalypse rules until the new rules came out.

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The FW Apoc book was recently sold at Games Day in limited numbers, perhaps that book might have some new rules regarding this.
Does anyone have or know someone who that new FW Apoc book?
   
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I have the latest imperial armour which is where I got the rules for the gauss pylon. Models from that book should be subject to their rules
   
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I've not made my way through the new Apocalypse core book yet, but I've not seen any rules in the new edition exempting Super Heavies from psychic powers. The rules for the Gauss Pylon are irrelevant, as are FW FAQs, the core rulebook doesn't say they're exempt, so they're affected normally.

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I disagree, hence why Tau units from FW books follow slightly outdated rules/profiles and so do daemon stuff. FW models follow FW rules and FW FAQ's, if one of those faqs say x is immune to psyhic powers without a str then they are until the FAQ is updated

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MarkyMark wrote:
I disagree, hence why Tau units from FW books follow slightly outdated rules/profiles and so do daemon stuff. FW models follow FW rules and FW FAQ's, if one of those faqs say x is immune to psyhic powers without a str then they are until the FAQ is updated


I have to agree with this, otherwise you start dabbling with melding FW rules into GW rules, which if anything FW bases their rules off of GW. Until they update their FAQs, you have to use the most up to date rules. Strangely enough, I haven't seen an FAQ for Puppet Master from the standard rule book, which leads me to believe that this may either be an oversight on GWs part when writing the new Apocolypse book or it never occurred to them that some a-hole might puppet master an Emperor titan and destroy their army with it. Perhaps a hull points/wounds limit on which models can be affected? That has been a popular theme for the new Apoc book.
   
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Nope sorry, the old faq was for the old book eh.

   
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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Nope sorry, the old faq was for the old book eh.


Actually, the faq was to update all the imperial armour books to 6th edition, not to faq apocolypse on its own.

Pg. 227 of Imperial Armour 12: The Fall of Orpheus. Under resistances it states that Super Heavy vehicles are immune to psychic powers (friendly or enemy) unless it has a given strength value. This is the book with the most up to date rules for the Necron Gauss Pylon and the Super Heavy rules are listed in the appendix section of the book. General rules for Warhammer 40k are that the rulebook is merely a guideline and the rules contained in your codex supercede those of the rulebook. There is no faq that states otherwise for apocalypse and there are no rules listed in the new apocalypse book for super heavy vehicles and psychic powers, therefore the more in depth rules apply, which are listed in the codex, I.e. Imperial Armour 12

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Dreddwulf88 wrote:
jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Nope sorry, the old faq was for the old book eh.


Actually, the faq was to update all the imperial armour books to 6th edition, not to faq apocolypse on its own.

Pg. 227 of Imperial Armour 12: The Fall of Orpheus. Under resistances it states that Super Heavy vehicles are immune to psychic powers (friendly or enemy) unless it has a given strength value. This is the book with the most up to date rules for the Necron Gauss Pylon and the Super Heavy rules are listed in the appendix section of the book. General rules for Warhammer 40k are that the rulebook is merely a guideline and the rules contained in your codex supercede those of the rulebook. There is no faq that states otherwise for apocalypse and there are no rules listed in the new apocalypse book for super heavy vehicles and psychic powers, therefore the more in depth rules apply, which are listed in the codex, I.e. Imperial Armour 12


Touche, I assumed it was done book to book.

   
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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Dreddwulf88 wrote:
jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Nope sorry, the old faq was for the old book eh.


Actually, the faq was to update all the imperial armour books to 6th edition, not to faq apocolypse on its own.

Pg. 227 of Imperial Armour 12: The Fall of Orpheus. Under resistances it states that Super Heavy vehicles are immune to psychic powers (friendly or enemy) unless it has a given strength value. This is the book with the most up to date rules for the Necron Gauss Pylon and the Super Heavy rules are listed in the appendix section of the book. General rules for Warhammer 40k are that the rulebook is merely a guideline and the rules contained in your codex supercede those of the rulebook. There is no faq that states otherwise for apocalypse and there are no rules listed in the new apocalypse book for super heavy vehicles and psychic powers, therefore the more in depth rules apply, which are listed in the codex, I.e. Imperial Armour 12


Touche, I assumed it was done book to book.


They did a massive update for 6th edition but each book maintains the standard rules from FW. Unless FW updates their faq to strike down yhe resistance, FW models will dominate apocalypse, I.e. Heresy Era Reaver Titan.
   
 
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