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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 00:33:21
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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Since i can't see one yet, i figured why not creat a page to chuck in comments about the new marine release. Personally i think they have put out some fantastic models, but really just pushed that price tag one step too far in some cases.
The tactical kit looks great, and an increase to £25 was expected, with a bunch of extra bits i think you will get your moneys worth. Thank got they didn't get the Dire Avenger treatment!
Vanguard and Sternguard are great, but i really don;t understand why the squad WITHOUT jump packs gets the higher price tag? my guess would be that with a tonne of extra weapons, you may be able to knock a few extra vets out when combined with the tactical kit. but £30 for 5 guys on standard bases? not cool GW!
The plastic Librarian is kinda cool, but at double the price of a metal one, i really cannot see the attraction (unless they drop the metal/ finecast ones so you have no choice)
As for the plastic captain... Total waste... unnimaginative resculp of the Black reach commander and £4 more than the much sweeter multi part dude, or £2 less than the set of 4 chapter masters. What is with these prices?
Anti Aircraft tank is pretty cool, and a substantailly bulkier vehicle than other Rhino chassis variants the price tag is expected and sound.
It also looks like the only way to get the Plastic claplain is the Reclusium command squad, which is also at a reasonable price, but only the chaplain is new.
Last but not least, the Codex. £5 more than other codecies, but sure a fair bit chunkier. No complaints, but god damn the special edition ones can jog a mile for double the price.
So overall... some lovely idea dampened by yet more crazy GW price tags. what do you think? am i jumping the gun? This is a place for friendly discussion on the new releases! enjoy!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 01:18:12
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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£70 for the collectors edition codex is highway robbery. Seriously. Ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 01:21:34
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Collectors edition ANYTHING is like that.
You don't have to buy it, but if you really want it you will..
Same goes for most everything else GW produces. It's generally overpriced, but we buy it anyway
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The Viletide: Daemons of Nurgle/Deathguard: 7400 pts
Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts
GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 01:21:48
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sidguard wrote:£70 for the collectors edition codex is highway robbery in my opinion[i]. Seriously. Ridiculous.
Fixed that for you, it's a bigger book than any of the others and not that much more than the collector's ones I've already bought, I'm fine with it I just want a pretty book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 01:29:45
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I have no insight whatsoever into what GW does with he/she/it's money but hoping it goes to further developing the hobby that i love i have no problem with spending hella qash on it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 01:33:04
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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I would log on to check it out, but am unable to access the GW site. I think there is an overload of traffic there atm.
Oh wait, the home page just loaded, but clicking on any links is slooooooooow
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 01:56:00
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
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It seems they've let loose the hounds of war and put up the Space Marines for Advance Order now... Right after I got my Thousand Sons...
That aside, I've come to a personal agreement on the asinine pricing, that if it's too much, I won't do it. However, getting the codex and a tac squad will do me for now. The website is indeed lagging
But yeah, collector's edition is far too expensive for me to justify buying, I'll be sticking to the minimum to update my ultras.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 02:01:37
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Gotta admit, the Tactical squad box looks like it will make for a ton of awesome options.
If a pile of money fell in my lap, I would be really tempted to make some Lamentors. The detail and staggering array of bitz is pretty awesome, even if the price is a bit hard to swallow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 02:20:41
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Big Mek in Kustom Dragster with Soopa-Gun
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Centurions are crazy expensive lol i expected around $55-60 not 73 But i dont place space marines anyway, im an ork. Meaning i see all models as possible looted models Ive contemplated grabbing a marine chapter but i already have 2 armies and unless the new ork codex just pisses me off i'll probably never even use my tau again once my orks can be competitive without green tide or nob biker missiles and loota spam.
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An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang.
14000pts Big 'n Bad Orkz
6000pts Admech/Knights
7500pts Necron Goldboys |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 02:22:53
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine
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Prices mentioned are Canadian pricing
Tactical Marines - Love the new kit, the $50 ($44.75 old) price increase is acceptable for the additional model bits it offers, most of the legs, torso, backpack are unique. Still only offers 1 missle launcher
Venguard - at $50 it is much more expensive than the Blood Angel DC kit at $39.50. Offers the same amount of stuff, but different accessories. I can find myself buying 1 set for kitbash purpose, but $50 is really pushing my limit.
Sternguard - At $60 for 5 guys this has gone past my bottom line. The Sternguard offers great shoulder pads that can be kit bashed to make the main character from Space Marine video game. Its the same price as the terminator squad and even comparable to my $70 Deathwing which can make 3 sets of models. Judging people would want 10 of these. I suggest you use count as from the tactical squad, unless you are an expert painter and wanting to go to town with these guys.
Space Marine inside a Space Marine - $94 for 3 models. My mind is blown. These should be only bought if you need them for a WAAC army. I won't even advice modelers/painters to spend money on these guys, there are better/cheaper models out there for that.
AA Tank - $80 Great looking Model Kit, I guess pricing is on par with other Tank offerings from GW. It does look good though.
Codex - $70 is alright for a GW codex, heard it gives new fluff and the rules are decent. You will need this to play 40K so go get it. It is pricy comparied to other games but this is GW.
Limited ed Cedex - $140; If you have money you don't need, why not?
Command Squad bundle - $110, in insult to GW fans. as most people will have the standard command squad and a razorback. GW is forcing collecters to shell out an extra $75 just to get the unique chaplian.
Chapter master/Librarian - $35 price increase overall, I don't see it offers any additional value compared to the old scuplts.
Overall I like the new kits, but really won't be buying any due to the insane costs. I play BA and DA, and I am using every mothod I can to reduce my army costs. The DV box sets does wonders, and the scuplts are high quality too. I fail to see why these so call new scuplts can price so high. I might just get the normal codex and use my existing BA/DA models as count as.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 02:27:15
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Auspicious Skink Shaman
Louth, Ireland
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I'm not buying anything, waay to expensive and I have other things to paint up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 02:28:30
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Big Mek in Kustom Dragster with Soopa-Gun
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Space Marine inside a Space Marine - $94 for 3 models. My mind is blown. These should be only bought if you need them for a WAAC army. I won't even advice modelers/painters to spend money on these guys, there are better/cheaper models out there for that.
Honestly theyre just termies with more stuff slapped on. If i ever started space marines i would just buy the $50 USD 5man termie squad and kitbash the hell out of them. If you look closely, its literally the same model under all that extra junk and has unique toys.
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An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang.
14000pts Big 'n Bad Orkz
6000pts Admech/Knights
7500pts Necron Goldboys |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 02:37:15
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine
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I am sorry for my eariler post about Canadian pricing. I wasn't being considerate to the Australians.
Sorry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 02:44:40
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Still stunned at the $30US price tag for the plastic librarian and captain. I shudder to think what the Finecast prices would have been...
The dev Centurions aren't that bad, but I'll still wait to see what the 3rd party companies come out with.
The Hunter is probably the only new kit I'll pick up. I might grab a box of the new tacticals, but don't really need it. I run a Red Scorpions legion army, so I already have enough regular dudes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 02:44:56
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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Really excited to get my hands on the Tactical Squad, and i will probabyly grab both Vet boxes at some point for the extra kit bash bits.
I was never very attracted to the centurions, so the price tag doesn't bother me.
The biggest shocker to me is trying to sell a static pose plastic model for literally double the cost of the nicer looking finecast equivalent? at first i thought the combi-grav would sell the Black Reach clone, but they are readilly available in a tactical box. I just don't understand why anyone would but these models.
Does anyone actually prefer the new librarian and captain over the older counterparts?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 03:12:11
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Some canadian prices are more than australian lol.... $35 for plastic mono pose characters.
The new tactical squad is nice though....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 04:24:28
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Missionary On A Mission
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$195 aus for the limited edition codex... I want the crimson fist second founding book but at that price I fell over.
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Lothlorien: 3500pts
Rohan: 1500pts
Serpent: 2000pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:10:40
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Executing Exarch
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For all of the complaining about the Ltd. Ed. dexs GW should set the prices to the maximum amount they can sell them for. Would I like to see them cheaper and in unlimited quantities...yes, I want an Iron Hands one. Will I buy it at that price, no. Will it sell out, yes, almost assuredly.
I am very impressed by most of the releases. The only one I personally do not like is the centurion model. It is a wonderfully detailed model I just don't like the aesthetic.
The termi libby is actually a fantastic sculpt btw. For that level of detail I am very impressed they managed to get it into plastic.
This is a very good release. Instead of raging at your inability to afford the fanciest highest priced parts just enjoy the incredible TAC marine, sternguard with crazy variety of options, and those gorgeous tanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:34:05
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Angry Blood Angel Assault marine
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Just want to point out the current price point of existing models compaired to the new GW models. Comparsion are made base on type and complexity of models.
Old Lib @ 19.75CAD vs New Lib @$35CAD
Current Killa Kans @$55.50 vs SM inside a SM @$94
Current Tank @$69.25 vs New Tank @$80
BA DC squad @$39.50 vs New Vanguard @$50
GKSS @$39.50 vs New Sternguard @$60
I hate to always complain about prices. But I want to show that GW didn't increase their prices becuase of high tech design effort or new multi option bits. They do it just becuase they can. If you find these prices are justified by all means buy them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:35:39
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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I think the legs on the new Tac Squad look a lot better, but maybe I'm just seeing things.
I still don't like the Centurions though. The rest of the release seems pretty solid to me though!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 05:43:30
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Missionary On A Mission
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wufai wrote:Just want to point out the current price point of existing models compaired to the new GW models. Comparsion are made base on type and complexity of models.
Old Lib @ 19.75CAD vs New Lib @$35CAD
Current Killa Kans @$55.50 vs SM inside a SM @$94
Current Tank @$69.25 vs New Tank @$80
BA DC squad @$39.50 vs New Vanguard @$50
GKSS @$39.50 vs New Sternguard @$60
I hate to always complain about prices. But I want to show that GW didn't increase their prices becuase of high tech design effort or new multi option bits. They do it just becuase they can. If you find these prices are justified by all means buy them.
I just looked at what the American price was compared to Australian prices. How the hell can they justify the nearly $50 difference for standard codex little alone the $80 difference of the limited edition codexs. It' not like they are in different languages or they have to convert it to the metric system
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Lothlorien: 3500pts
Rohan: 1500pts
Serpent: 2000pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 09:14:08
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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Mostly because of Australian import tax but even that doesn't fully justify the price discrepancies. It's the same for most hobby/entertainment products. Because Australia is so isolated, it's easier for distributors to create a monopoly and shut out competitors.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 09:23:11
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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All great sculpts except the Centurians which are fugly. I think my favourite is the librarian, love the cherub.
The prices are ridiculous, and mange to make Forge World look reasonable. My personal favourites are the limited edition codices, £70 lololol. If you can convince yourself that a different cover and a few extra pages are worth paying DOUBLE then go ahead and waste your money.
My worry is that more and more people will get priced out of this hobby, in particular at the entry level, which has to be a bad thing. £140 for a starter army [before spending money on the codex, paints, brushes, glue etc.] compared to £30ish for a computer game, I know which I would choose [if I hadn't already been given the hobby bug when I was a kid myself]. Plus, it doesn't really give people the option of trying out the game to see if they like it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 09:35:29
Subject: Space Marine release discussion!
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Anyone else noticed that they are now charging more for the iPad codex than the standard hardback?!
I was already in a dilemma about whether to pay full price instead of FLGS discounted price to get the iBook features, now I'm really going to have to consider my options carefully.
On the plus side I notice that they've put all the plain ebook versions onto the iBook store now...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 09:45:22
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Morphing Obliterator
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The prices are ridiculous, and mange to make Forge World look reasonable. My personal favourites are the limited edition codices, £70 lololol. If you can convince yourself that a different cover and a few extra pages are worth paying DOUBLE then go ahead and waste your money.
Agree with you completely, £30 for two amazing looking Praetors from FW ones in terminator armour as well or £36 for two good looking minis from GW. You don't even get any extra pages you get a dust cover with a picture that's already in the codex Oh and you get your pages edged in gold  .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 10:55:13
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:The prices are ridiculous, and mange to make Forge World look reasonable. My personal favourites are the limited edition codices, £70 lololol. If you can convince yourself that a different cover and a few extra pages are worth paying DOUBLE then go ahead and waste your money.
Agree with you completely, £30 for two amazing looking Praetors from FW ones in terminator armour as well or £36 for two good looking minis from GW. You don't even get any extra pages you get a dust cover with a picture that's already in the codex Oh and you get your pages edged in gold  .
Don't forget the ribbon in your chapter colour!
People with more money than sense will happily buy these. they are made more tempting by the fact the standard dex cover is kinda ugly.
If the plastic heroes where £15 and both vet squads came in at £25 i would be more than happy. why is a plastic model with no options literally double the price of a finecast one? (as i've said, not fussed on centurians, but £40 would have been almost reasonable)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 11:04:32
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
Castro Valley, CA
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Pricing aside, the lack of customization for the new plastic Captain and Librarian disappointed me. Was hoping for a little more then just a WYSIWYG in the box.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 11:12:03
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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gnoise wrote:Pricing aside, the lack of customization for the new plastic Captain and Librarian disappointed me. Was hoping for a little more then just a WYSIWYG in the box.
The price would be more just if they had a similar level of customisation to the old multi part captain mini, who is in my opinion, still the nicer mini and comes with plenty of options.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 11:33:39
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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stargasm wrote: gnoise wrote:Pricing aside, the lack of customization for the new plastic Captain and Librarian disappointed me. Was hoping for a little more then just a WYSIWYG in the box.
The price would be more just if they had a similar level of customisation to the old multi part captain mini, who is in my opinion, still the nicer mini and comes with plenty of options.
Indeed, and if you are really desperate for a combi-grav you can always use the one in the Tactical or Sternguard boxes.
Personally I'm sticking with just the codex initially. Once I've seen how the codex changes my both my Black Templars and regular marines I'll look into any additions I might want to make. I do have to say though the Centurions are starting to grow on me if I can find a use for them in my army I will definitely consider them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/08/31 11:41:07
Subject: Re:Space Marine release discussion!
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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Nick Ellingworth wrote: stargasm wrote: gnoise wrote:Pricing aside, the lack of customization for the new plastic Captain and Librarian disappointed me. Was hoping for a little more then just a WYSIWYG in the box.
The price would be more just if they had a similar level of customisation to the old multi part captain mini, who is in my opinion, still the nicer mini and comes with plenty of options.
Indeed, and if you are really desperate for a combi-grav you can always use the one in the Tactical or Sternguard boxes.
Personally I'm sticking with just the codex initially. Once I've seen how the codex changes my both my Black Templars and regular marines I'll look into any additions I might want to make. I do have to say though the Centurions are starting to grow on me if I can find a use for them in my army I will definitely consider them.
I think i'll be going the same way, but i'll be picking up a Tactic box soon as i have the money too. I may have been having a grumble about the Sternbguard price, but damn they are a nice kit!
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