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Noticed my first borderline broken unit in the new dex. First step run a Salamander detachment (reroll to wound and reroll successfull armor saves against flame weapons.) take as many assault squads as you can (5 men only.) take 2 flamers and give up the jump packs for a free drop pod. Comes out to 95 points a squad including the pod. Turn one you land due to drop pod assault. I haven't run the numbers for all units but against Marines you will get ((1/2)+(1/2)-(1/­2)^2) wounds as T4 vs S4 with rerolls or a .75 chance to wound. Then only 4/9 of those wounds are saved due to rerolls. This means ~40% to kill a marine if he is under the template. Assume that you get a conservative 4 Marines under each template that means 8 hit and ~3.5 dead as well as ~1 from the drop pod bolter and other marine bolters. At meaning a likely 5+ dead Marines killed by an alpha strike assuming no gear is taken those 5 cost at least 70 points.

This ignores their main role of clearing backfield objective chaff which they also shine at I would probably reccomend a melts bomb as well.

I though Salamanders got to re-roll THEIR armour saves against flame weapons? I haven't got codex yet though, but this sounds nasty!

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
I though Salamanders got to re-roll THEIR armour saves against flame weapons? I haven't got codex yet though, but this sounds nasty!

You're right, Salamanders re-roll failed to wound with flamers they shoot, then re-roll failed armour saves on flamers shot at them. This doesn't mean OPs unit isn't a good idea though, just not broken like he thought.

Its pretty damn cheap for 5 guys with 2 twin-linked flamers dropping down on turn 1. And the other 3 guys have 2 CCWs for some minor melee threat.

Nice and cheap, but the ability is no different (even somewhat nerfed) from what Vulcan brought in the 5th edition 'dex.

Yeah, not really new. Salamanders were pretty nasty (IMO) with the last Codex, I would expect no less from Vulkan and his boys this go-round.

Yea, it is still a pretty solid idea, especially with all of the armies that are clustered up behind an aegis. or hiding in cover.

I plan to bust out the heavy flamers on my sternguard, especially now that they are 10 points cheaper than they used to be.

Two heavy flamers will really help deal with that tau menace(stupid riptides). If I can eliminate a lot of the higher volley of fire dudes(looking at you ethereal) it will be much easier to deal with the AP2 guys(looking at you centurions).

jamin484 wrote:
Nice and cheap, but the ability is no different (even somewhat nerfed) from what Vulcan brought in the 5th edition 'dex.

95 point ASM with 2 specials configuration is new. Old book you probably had to throw down 150+pod to get 10 marines to get your special and combi-flamer. This isn't revolutionary but it is certainly a good tool.

The only real issue is that you've burned your fast attack slots on 3 cheap throw away units. If you don't want to take speeders, bikes, or flyers its not a big deal, but that could be something to consider.

At 2k+ it could be nasty though. 6 toss away pods coming down first turn could seriously tie the enemy up for only 570ish points. Can assault marines take Meltaguns now? if so it also has anti-tank applications.

Just watch out for massed interceptor.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The only real issue is that you've burned your fast attack slots on 3 cheap throw away units. If you don't want to take speeders, bikes, or flyers its not a big deal, but that could be something to consider.

At 2k+ it could be nasty though. 6 toss away pods coming down first turn could seriously tie the enemy up for only 570ish points. Can assault marines take Meltaguns now? if so it also has anti-tank applications.

Just watch out for massed interceptor.

Sadly looks like you can't give the SGT a combi-melta. But you can give him meltabombs....

And WOW, looks like Vanilla ASM might FINALLY be useful (For Salamanders at least)!!!

I'd rather drop in LS with 2 tl h flamers 60pts each. Or run double mm for 70 each & eat armor for lunch. Also bike squads are more useful too IMO. But this is all the same as 5th. Nothing new & they are still very good.

 Fulcrum wrote:
I'd rather drop in LS with 2 tl h flamers 60pts each. Or run double mm for 70 each & eat armor for lunch. Also bike squads are more useful too IMO. But this is all the same as 5th. Nothing new & they are still very good.

Yeah me too mate. Heavy flamers have so much more utility.

For a cheap throwaway unit it is excellent, and I would certainly consider them if I were to take salamanders. Assault marines may be viable at those prices, salamanders or not!