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So, I plan on talking about the Necron 'dex and the Fall of Orpheus FW supplement in this post, so if that bugs you...you might want to go read something else. Of course, I'm something like a year late with reading all of this so...meh?


Couple of questions first;


1 - What happened? The Necrons were badasses who showed up and rocked everyone's balls, all silent T-800 like, and then would just up and vanish. Now...they have eccentric museum curators, them who would ally with the Space Marines in an ultimate bromance, and other various random crap.
2 - Is it ever mentioned why the Nightbrininger or the Trickster (I always think Joker) weren't annihilated with the rest?
3 - Has there ever been an experience where a Necron warrior/construct is destroyed entirely?

Now I have to say, codex fluff aside, Orpheus was an awesome read. I loved the back story about the sector with all of the mysterious disappearances and the various planets full of long-dead bad guys. The feel it gave off was creepy beyond belief and when the sector finally comes under attack later on it really conveys how abysmally outclassed the Imperium is. I loved the bit after the warp-storm subsides and the months of messages and distress calls come flooding into the system; it made me scared for what was coming.

The build up to the final battles both in space and on the ground was so well done, I found myself blazing through the non-fluff parts just to find out what happened next. The speculation on the last stand of the Angels Revenant and how the Necrons must have have had to drop a damn moon on their planet to beat them, badass. DoK kicking ass and taking serial numbers as always; the overall feel of helplessness that the story imparted was truly awesome.

Of all the various Imperial Armor books I've read, I have to say I liked this one the most. I know I'm a year or two late, but I couldn't help but post my satisfaction here.

FW necron fluff is awesome. That is all. Someone over there REALLY likes Oldcrons.

1. Well warriors are still silent death machines that they have always been. immortals and up have become equipped with a bit more personality which I use for lack of a better term. Mostly they just made it so lords and overlords are not just silent zombies but characters like space marines so you can create a story to you necrons instead of all necrons are the same all the time. Also 3rd edition is written from the imperium point of view where they know very little about the necrons compared to the new 5th edition where they have expanded the knowledge and have fought them many times.

2. the nightbringer and the deceiver are shards now. They no longer posses their infinite power from the previous 3rd edition codex. This happened to all the ctan except the flayer who was completely destroyed and caused the flayer virus. they say 4 ctan remain intact completely but this is just rumored.

3. yes they explode and disappear completely in order to prevent study by enemy forces.

I would argue that the fall of orpheus is a great example of the new fluff and not the old fluff. Since they have lords and overlords and crypteks blow up a sun. Also the application of doom scythes and war constructs makes the old single vehicle approach kinda lame even though monoliths are pretty badass.

Can someone explain to me why they feel that old fluff that has no variety from 3rd edition is better than the 5th edition book which has more variety and basically keeps 95% of the things the same from the old but improves on the army as whole to all for more units? Necrons still are and will always be walking machines of death and destruction

 Frankenberry wrote:
1 - What happened? The Necrons were badasses who showed up and rocked everyone's balls, all silent T-800 like, and then would just up and vanish. Now...they have eccentric museum curators, them who would ally with the Space Marines in an ultimate bromance, and other various random crap.

No offense, but this comment makes it sound like all you did was read a bunch of online rants about Matt Ward instead of reading the codex.

I personally like the new fluff much better than the old fluff. Let's be honest, the ONLY thing interesting about OldCrons were the C'Tan and the many ways GW made them responsible for all the ills of the universe. Otherwise, they were just space zombies. At least now, the actual Necrons are the ones holding the reigns and they have some personality.

Count me in for the new fluff. The old stuff was nice enough, but the new stuff is much more enjoyable as there's more to it.

New fluff for me. The "we are all so mysterious" thing really didn't work for me, now you have leaders with distinct personalities and objectives. Players are actually able to have a distinct army with a unique fluff instead of being just another group of Necrons.

And never say bad of the fantastic eccentric museum curator that's Trollzyn the Tarpit Breaker. That has to be one of the best characters GW ever created.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:
New fluff for me. The "we are all so mysterious" thing really didn't work for me, now you have leaders with personality.

And never say bad of the fantastic eccentric museum curator that's Trollzyn the Tarpit Breaker. That has to be one of the best characters GW ever created.

Oldcrons were just Metal Tyranids reskinned with a Terminator/Tomb Skins theme (Look at the original models)

Not to mention their gods were so active they overshadowed everything at times and were unbeatable yet did everything compared to any other gods.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
1 - What happened? The Necrons were badasses who showed up and rocked everyone's balls, all silent T-800 like, and then would just up and vanish. Now...they have eccentric museum curators, them who would ally with the Space Marines in an ultimate bromance, and other various random crap.

No offense, but this comment makes it sound like all you did was read a bunch of online rants about Matt Ward instead of reading the codex.

I personally like the new fluff much better than the old fluff. Let's be honest, the ONLY thing interesting about OldCrons were the C'Tan and the many ways GW made them responsible for all the ills of the universe. Otherwise, they were just space zombies. At least now, the actual Necrons are the ones holding the reigns and they have some personality.

None taken

I may have simplified the Newcrons in a less than flattering manner, I admit. I'm not saying all of the Newcron stuff is bad, I like some of the personality additions to the leadership and the expansion of the fluff is nice too. But, just like in most codex's, there are pieces that don't make any sense (or are so far fetched that you kinda lol).

Honestly I'd sneered at the Necrons up until I'd read Orpheus and I've gotta say, the Necrons are probably one of the coolest armies in 40k. Not that I can afford to start an army, but damn, I'm still thinking about how they just roflstomped everyone with what appeared to be, little to no effort.

I'm okay with the new fluff, both have their own merits and I don't really prefer one over the other.

Void Dragon hates the New Fluff's guts though.

That is a gross exaggeration of my views on the matter.

I like some of the new aspects of the fluff and some of the new characters. Imotekh, ridiculous naming conventions aside, is a pretty cool guy. So is robo-Mengele, and I admittedly have a queer fondness for Obyron, despite viewing his master as everything wrong with the newcrons.

The oldcrons needed an update to make them the stars of their codex, not the C'tan, but I think the way it was handled, aka, essentially retconning nearly all previous aspects until they no longer resemble the army they are meant to be updating, was the wrong way to do it.

Gone is the unfathomable hatred of life that united a species against the galaxy at large, now, their war against the Old Ones was an emo team-building exercise. fething weak.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
That is a gross exaggeration of my views on the matter.

I like some of the new aspects of the fluff and some of the new characters. Imotekh, ridiculous naming conventions aside, is a pretty cool guy. So is robo-Mengele, and I admittedly have a queer fondness for Obyron, despite viewing his master as everything wrong with the newcrons.

The oldcrons needed an update to make them the stars of their codex, not the C'tan, but I think the way it was handled, aka, essentially retconning nearly all previous aspects until they no longer resemble the army they are meant to be updating, was the wrong way to do it.

Gone is the unfathomable hatred of life that united a species against the galaxy at large, now, their war against the Old Ones was an emo team-building exercise. fething weak.

You should know by now half of my statements are farcical in nature.

But in any case, the new reason for War seems a little...silly.

As is the reason why they went to sleep.

Szarekh wins the war and has a sudden "Oh god what have I done?" moment after millions of years of bloodshed?

The Enslaver plague made significantly more sense than the necrons going to sleep entirely of their own accord.

Maybe the fluff I have read is different, but they were 'forced' to hide in their tombs because the battle caused them too much.
At that point they didn't stand a chance against the Eldar, so they had to wait.

Kangodo wrote:
Maybe the fluff I have read is different, but they were 'forced' to hide in their tombs because the battle caused them too much.
At that point they didn't stand a chance against the Eldar, so they had to wait.

They killed the Eldar's creators and were slapping the Eldar, Orks, Hrud, Jokaero, Umbra, Slann and who knows what other creations the scaley Old Ones created and their own solar system shattering masters and given the resources the dynasties can unleash now, I can't imagine the Eldar Empire, which was never anything but a pale shadow of the Old One's legacy even at it's peak, would be able to do.

The Eldar failed at the purpose they were literally born to do. I count that as a decisive defeat for the knife ears.

 Kain wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Maybe the fluff I have read is different, but they were 'forced' to hide in their tombs because the battle caused them too much.
At that point they didn't stand a chance against the Eldar, so they had to wait.

They killed the Eldar's creators and were slapping the Eldar, Orks, Hrud, Jokaero, Umbra, Slann and who knows what other creations the scaley Old Ones created and their own solar system shattering masters and given the resources the dynasties can unleash now, I can't imagine the Eldar Empire, which was never anything but a pale shadow of the Old One's legacy even at it's peak, would be able to do.

The Eldar failed at the purpose they were literally born to do. I count that as a decisive defeat for the knife ears.

But the Eldar codex puts a completely different perspective on it. In it, the Eldar won the War in the Heavens, sending the Necrons packing to their little metal sleep tents.

I do wished they hadn't completely stripped away the C'Tan, making them nothing more than puppets/slaves. I would have preferred a few of them escaped to cause trouble, thus keeping the Deceiver's fingers in Abbadon's Black Crusade pie, and leaving the Dragon on Mars (which is confusing since Mechanicum clearly has him still there in the 30th millennium). Heck, it would have even proved fertile ground for alternate army builds, with C'tan-led necron armies that can't have overlords and canoptek stuff and actually fight against Overlord necron armies. Its still possible seeing as how the codex even mentions the possibility of the C'Tan not being completely contained in the shards.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Kangodo wrote:
Maybe the fluff I have read is different, but they were 'forced' to hide in their tombs because the battle caused them too much.
At that point they didn't stand a chance against the Eldar, so they had to wait.

They killed the Eldar's creators and were slapping the Eldar, Orks, Hrud, Jokaero, Umbra, Slann and who knows what other creations the scaley Old Ones created and their own solar system shattering masters and given the resources the dynasties can unleash now, I can't imagine the Eldar Empire, which was never anything but a pale shadow of the Old One's legacy even at it's peak, would be able to do.

The Eldar failed at the purpose they were literally born to do. I count that as a decisive defeat for the knife ears.

But the Eldar codex puts a completely different perspective on it. In it, the Eldar won the War in the Heavens, sending the Necrons packing to their little metal sleep tents.

I do wished they hadn't completely stripped away the C'Tan, making them nothing more than puppets/slaves. I would have preferred a few of them escaped to cause trouble, thus keeping the Deceiver's fingers in Abbadon's Black Crusade pie, and leaving the Dragon on Mars (which is confusing since Mechanicum clearly has him still there in the 30th millennium). Heck, it would have even proved fertile ground for alternate army builds, with C'tan-led necron armies that can't have overlords and canoptek stuff and actually fight against Overlord necron armies. Its still possible seeing as how the codex even mentions the possibility of the C'Tan not being completely contained in the shards.

Given the current state of the Eldar, I'd dismiss any statements from them winning the war as them covering their asses to hide the shame of their failure to protect their creators.

Compared to the Old Ones, the Eldar are weak, short lived and primitive. They may have been the designated heirs, but even at their Zenith they were pitiful reflections of the Old Ones, even at their nadir.