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I thought it would be fun to add a few new Gnoblar types to the Ogre armoury:

Look Out Gnoblar - as per OK army book.

Lucky Gnoblar - Grants the character D3 re-rolls on any single dice per game (single dice being to hit rolls, wound rolls, armour saves, basically anything that rolls one dice so not LD tests) 10pts

Ammo Gnoblar - Grants the character the Multiple Shots (+1) rule on each of their ranged weapons +15pts

Sword Gnoblar - The character counts as having an additional hand weapon, even if both hands are already full +10pts

Magic Gnoblar (better name pending!) - Grants the Wizard one extra power or dispel dice per magic phase +20pts

Thoughts please! Any ideas for other Gnoblar types?

All these are way undercosted and for the most part extremely powerful.

A Magic Gnoblar would be worth about 100pts. And probably shouldn't be in the game at any cost. I mean look at that equivalent (not even close) magic item in the Ogre book.

Lucky Gnoblars are worth about 25+. Because it's going to be rerolled ward save every time.

I mean, check out what Look out Gnoblars do: not much. It's really to prevent Ogres from being totally screwed over by the BRB rule. Gnoblar trappers cost 25. If you could add a gnoblar trapper to like, an Ogre unit, it would be huge.

Gnoblars are kind of fluffy. These guys make Ogres, who are already really good, a whole lot better. Ogres don't group with Gnoblars. Gnoblars aren't that smart/good/whatever. In one instance they stick one at the top of a stick and he points, but that's it.

I would say you could do something like, Parts Gnoblar where a Butcher can get a one time +1 to cast for 5 points. Or 2 for 10 but max of +1 per spell. Only if they are using gut magic.

Or Bullet Proof Vest Gnoblar where a unit gets +1 armor vs. shooting attacks by strapping gnoblars to themselves. Like 15 pts.

Silly, not amazingly powerful stuff like that.

OK how about this then?

Lucky Gnoblar - Grants the character a single re-roll on any single dice per game (single dice being to hit rolls, wound rolls, armour saves, basically anything that rolls one dice so not LD tests) 15pts

Ammo Gnoblar - Grants the character the Multiple Shots (+1) rule on each of their ranged weapons +15pts

Sword Gnoblar - The character counts as having an additional hand weapon, even if both hands are already full +10pts

Parts Gnoblar (I like that idea!) - Grants the Wizard a +1 bonus to casting once per battle if they are using the Lore of the Great Maw

A Butcher or Slaughtermaster may carry up to 3 of these at 5pts each.

Ammo and Sword are still too good probably at any cost. And they aren't especially fluffy. Gnoblars couldn't reload the big guns of Ogres and Ogres probably wouldn't let them. And no sword a Gnoblar carries or helps with would be a S4 attack.

Lucky could probably cost 10 now. Or you could just say it's a single reroll of any one die, as that is less confusing. And I think parts gnoblar is okay.

Here is an idea

Ammo Gnoblar Leadbecher unit only, Leadbelcher with Ammo Gnoblars may re roll one of the dice when rolling to determinate the number of shots. how ever if a one is rolled on the reroll the Gnoblar is shot instead and can not be used again. . -15 points

Bag o' Gnablars: For great sport and a snack. Ogres bulls round up Gnoblars an place them in a bag, they then enjoy flinging them at what ever they see. Counts as a throwing weapon, always hits on 5+. Range 8" S4 Quick to fire. 25 points

Why does a thrown Gnoblar always hit on a 5+?

Also, there used to be Sword Gnoblars. They gave your Ogre another attack at S2, but at his WS (his opponent is too distracted by the 10ft. man-eating monster before him to notice the little guy with a pointy stick). I think they were 10pts.

And Magic/Parts Gnoblars used to be a thing, too-- Tooth Gnoblars cost something like 5 or 10pts and added a +1 to a roll. They might have been able to be used after you rolled or something, I don't really remember.

I like that new Ammo Gnoblar concept; that's funny, simple, and not too good.

sorry was a typo, should have been 6+. Ogre BS sucks as it is, plus was thinking something like the doom diver, where the gnablar could adjust his flight to hit the mark.

But that's what a doom diver does. It's all it does. Maneaters kick ass without giving them a weapon. Ogres will still kick ass without a throwing gnoblar. Yes, their BS sucks. Leadbelcher BS sucks and why is throwing a gnoblar often more accurate than a hand cannon and hits about as hard?

 DukeRustfield wrote:
But that's what a doom diver does. It's all it does. Maneaters kick ass without giving them a weapon. Ogres will still kick ass without a throwing gnoblar. Yes, their BS sucks. Leadbelcher BS sucks and why is throwing a gnoblar often more accurate than a hand cannon and hits about as hard?

i am confused? are you saying it should be easier to hit someone with a gnoblar than a hand cannon? Personally, I think leadbelchers should be a 4+ instead of 5+. not that I am complaining. tossing a gnobar would be like throwing a baseball for a Ogre. Leadbechers put out a ton of shots, that are also armor piercing, so they hit harder. I think they could hit someone rather easily at that short range. it still would have a very good chance of knocking you off your feet, or crushing your skull. Look what happens when some one gets hit by a 90 mph pitch, now scale that up to 140-150+ mpg based on strength differences

1. He's saying that throwing a Gnoblar should be less accurate. In, it should be as accurate. Saying, "oh, Ogre BS isn't very good. I'd better make this rule that makes up for it" is like saying, "oh, Elves are all T3 and are very expensive. I'd better give them the option for better armour and free stuff".

2. Doomdivers can adjust their target with their huge flappy hang-glider thingies. If someone picked you up by your neck and hucked you at someone else, I doubt you could change your trajectory much.

3. Pretty sure that an Ogre, who is twice as strong as a human, would throw a gnoblar, probably something like ten times as heavy and much less areodynamic than a baseball, proportionately to his smaller counterpart.

A baseball is compact and designed to fly, i.e., like a lead cannon or musket ball. A gnoblar is none of those things. Baseballs aren't thrown 90mph because of strength, they are thrown like that because of form. Strength has some to do with it, but mechanical pitching machines are vastly stronger than humans to get the same speed, because they can't kick up their leg and make parabolic throwing arcs and swing their hips and torso and other neato tricks (that wreck their bodies). No amount of strength is going to get a gnoblar up to 140-150mph unless it's a rocket and it would simply break apart at launch. If you went 0-145 in 20 feet exposed to the air, only your skull is the only thing going to make it there. There are aerodynamics at play. A gnoblar easily weighs more than a cannonball. The very largest ship-based were (according to the webz) around 42 pounds in the 1700s. Usually much smaller, like 12 pounders were quite popular it seems.

But all this is RL logic and not really as important as game balance.

Throwing weapons under the BRB are pretty broad. You can use like throwing stars. But having a quick to fire response to charges on Ogres, which is basically to deny them their impact hits, gives them back their impact hits in the form of this--though not as good. Still, probably shouldn't be there.

Now something like this, I could understand:

Sack o' Gnoblars (Enchanted Item, 15pts): Tyrants and Bruisers occasionally bring along a large sack, stuffed with Gnoblars, along for the fight, to keep his fellows' bellies full and spirits high. Of course, sometimes it's hard to resist the urge to just sit down to a nice meal...

The character may re-roll one Break Test. Until this re-roll is made, the unit suffers from Stupidity.