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Fire Warrior Team(Final-Seekers are Under Review)
Pathfinder Team(Final)
Devilfish Transport
XV-25 Stealth Suit(Semi-final)
XV-8 Crisis Team / XV-88 Broadside, and other configurations: A free thinking exercise
Hammerhead Main Battle Tank(Semi-final)

Kinda interesting though i feel the codex units are fine as it is.

I quite like the idea of different fire modes for seekers so that hey are not just hunker killer missiles.

It should be something like
Kinetic: st7 ordinance
Krak: st8/3
airbrust: st 6 ignore cover (or something like that)
or subterranean for tremor effect

kinda like how current IRL smart missiles are like.

Marker lights should of all just been networked.

While buying all the toys is great, they can add up quite quickly. I think you should split most of the grouped costs.


I think perhaps make EMP grenades 1ppm and have FWs cost as per codex, then have the FW Shas'Ui paying 5 for a markerlight, 10 for a networked on and 5 for a multitracker, all sold separately and perhaps as a twist make the Shas'Ui upgrade 5pts and the BS upgrade 5pts, perhaps even allow for a line holding Shas'Ui (to help tarpit a little) and allow a WS upgrade for 5 pts and the option to trade carbine or rifle for pistol and bonding knife as ccw.

Pathfinders are too expensive as well, I really enjoy paying 44points for some markerlights. I'd say keep them at codex costs and split the costs like the FW squad, perhaps have the infiltration drone at 15pts. 10 is a good number for pathfinders, they don't really need to be bigger and the 4-tau 3 special weapons team is a good way to keep it cheap and get your weapons, perhaps allow 3 at base but 1 more at 8 and another at 10 or base 3 and one extra on every even.

Instead of adding a special rule to the teams, just change the seeker missile profile
Seeker Missile
Shaped Charge - 72" S8 AP3 one use only
High-Explosive Charge - 72" S5 AP3 large blast, ignores cover, one use only

And lastly I really think drones should be kept at 12pts.

I was actually just about to play a game, so I'll play test this now.

Thanks for the feed back guys! This is my first attempt at playing in this specific area of the sandbox so I'm kinda just fooling around, playing it safe on costs, experimenting with numbers. I'm laid up for a month with a broken foot so figured what the heck, always like playing with rules and all, so between studying for exams and converting some dnd to pathfinder started this little project.

Things that are on my mind now: I really want consistency on team sizes. Like if the tau deploy units in increments of three, ALL the teams should look like increments of three. So the disparity between the Pathfinders 4-8, and Fire Warriors 6-12 have always bugged me on an OCD level. I know there is a line when you have to make exceptions for game balance/usability though so its a point of play.

On the costs, I was concerned that by giving some distinct buffs to the units I was making them too good at normal cost so to help with that I was front load taxing everything to compensate. Also you may notice all the costs are in increments of five. Again a little OCD here, I like easy math when building lists. I also like having pre-gen'd units that have even costs so I can assemble armies flavor of the day style by taking the unit cards and running with em. Like okay today I want to play an infantry force so I'll grab two of these 200pt "Line" squads, one 100pt Pathfinder, a 100pt commander...So on and so on. Grab their unit cards out of my binder and corresponding models off the shelf and get to the game. So I was really pleased to see the Fire warrior team above "Max out" at an even 200pts But definitely considering breaking the costs apart (neat idea La'dunX)

Seekers: I want these 5 foot long guided missiles to be better than a SM man portable Krak by a distinct margin, especially for what you pay to have a one shot deal. So personally I'd like to push the current stats though they need tested obviously. But between the two of you I got this idea, what about a second type of seeker? Like...(Super rough cut here)...

Stalker Incendiary Missile - When fired before rolling to hit the controlling player must choose which mode for it to resolve in, Air Burst or Fire Flush
Air Burst - 72" Str 4, AP 4, Heavy 1, Large Blast, Fleshbane, One use only
Fire Flush - 72" Str 6, AP 4, Heavy 1, Large Blast, Ignores Cover, One use only

Thanks again for your input! It is absolutely welcome here!

Aw yea, more ignores cover for Tau is a must, those poor bastards have been nerfed hard in 6th edition. Totally agree with adding markerlights to every squad - reliance on pathfinders is crippling the Tau army at the moment and thats just not fair.

I reckon we need more missile types for the Stalker. Simply giving it the ability to choose 2+ wound or ignores cover isn't enough - I think it needs an armourbane and an AP1 option too, plus the ability to fire its missiles when stuck in close combat

Lol. Troll much Dakkamite? Yeah...probably right about the missile thing.

Working on Hammerhead Main Battle Tank next. Trying to think how I want to implement a weak vehicular shield effect. :/

We don't need a weak vehicular shield, we've got jink saves and disruption pods. And most ignores cover weapons are low strength blasts designed for infantry like our own air-bursting frag projector.

Let's just get 3 missiles and make them slightly better than what they're based on.
Perhaps;
Seeker missile:
- air burst S5 AP5 Heavy 1, large blast, one use only
- pulse submunition S6 AP3 Heavy 1, blast, one use only
- ion over charge S8 AP2 Heavy 1, one use only

Those are pretty cool actually. Do you have a sept world you're particularly fond of that would have those? I was thinking of putting in Sept-specific flairs for some things, like maybe the above stealth suits are only for pure Ksi'myen armies Again I'm just toying around the sandbox here so maybe that's getting too involved.

But, but, but,... shields are cool! :(

My Sept is Tasha'var, my commander (depending on his timeline), who is pretty much me, hails from there, he/I lead a multi-Sept coalition. His/My name is Shas'(rank) Tasha'Var Ko'vahn Vior'la (ie. I'm stubborn and have a temper, [which I've learnt to control I'll have you know] but that's probably TMI)

Anywho, there's some cool wargear from our old 'dex including our BS upgrade, (seriously think you should split the cost) also think you should not increase the price of firewarriors and not make emps free.

Disruption pods are shields. But for your eyeholes.

I like your ideas but I'm not so sure about the EMP Grenades for the Pulse Carbine. A squad of 10 Fire Warriors can easily take out anything short of a Baneblade with 10 Haywire Blasts. I would recommend removing the blast, so that the to-hit roll will mitigate some of the damage.

They can just assault it. Ive taken out baneblades with two squads of FW w/pulse carbines and EMP grenades.

To be honest I am concerned about the EMP thing. Both the free part and the in game function of the Grenade Launch System. (I'm not sure I like the photon effect either.) I designed those around how I thought the weapon should perform "realistically". But since I wrote it and have thought about it I'm not sure any more. I was thinking of reducing the range to make it more risky. I had assumed the blast would mitigate it's accuracy with scatter but your right, it is hard to scatter completely off a vehicle.

Part and parcel to all this is the squad now has access to a BS 4 Networked Markerlight. So I need to be aware that this squad could very often be entirely BS 4 while stationary too. When I think of it that way I'm like "holy crap, they're marines with better weapons and worse armor that actually fear things o_O"

Well, I never expected this to be a cake walk. Makes it more interesting


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I think for now the blast will come off. This makes sense fluff wise as a technology dependent race like the Tau might not carry a device that under battlefield conditions could EMP half their own squad if it went off in their backpack. We'll say it functions like a "Sticky" grenade. Other changes may follow.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
There is a fix in place now. Targeting gear costs were split to "old meets new" style.