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Just wondering how much proxying do you all tolerate?

Some one proxying weapons? Vehicle armaments? space marine armies as another army? (IE ultra marines, proxyed as salamanders), proxying models like tac marines as sternguard.

I ask because im wondering if proxying LoTD as sternguards is to much or proxying a assault terminator that i made with a TH/SS but now with the 6th want to make him a LC term, but i kinda glued his arms and sholder pads on, and i really dont wanna spend 50 bucks on a set of terminators for just one LC term

In a pick up game, I really don't care as long as you make it clear beforehand what is it supposed to be and the proxy models are different from the rest so we can easily tell what models are being used for the proxy.

In a tournament, however, no proxy, EXCEPT for unreleased models

In a friendly game. I give no feths. In a tourney game it needs to be the model gun/wargear proxy is cool. But don't say a Eldar Wraithguard is actually a Wraithlord.

I say go for it as long as my opponent is clear in letting me know what everything proxied represents and it has a similar footprint and ability to be seen,( ie. a landspeeder is never used as a baneblade, etc. ) It's an expensive game as it is, and forcing someone to buy something they might not use more than a couple of times is a tad harsh, I think.

As long as the army composition is less than 50% of cardboard boxes, green G.I. soldiers and beer cans as proxies, I'm showing the green light... just barely. Actually, that sight would look shocking.

Not a big deal to me. I have proxied models myself before to test them out or to use until I could afford the real thing. As soon as I could, I painted or converted or done something to make it right.
One thing I have done is use space wolf models to serve as sternguard/vanguard veterans. The rest of my marines are normal marines using only a piece here and there n character models from the pups. As sternguard have such a wide variety of combiweapons available and I would go broke physically modeling each and every single possible combination, I am drilling holes in the backpack and using color coded push pins to represent the different combi wrapons. once the combi is fired, remove the pin from the hole in the backpack.. I have not had anyone in my group complain over that but I am sure someone somewhere would take issue.


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I also have some PVC drop pods. (painted and converted of course), they are actually closer to the size one would be and harder to place and again, no one has ever complained.

tremere47 wrote:
In a pick up game, I really don't care as long as you make it clear beforehand what is it supposed to be and the proxy models are different from the rest so we can easily tell what models are being used for the proxy.

In a tournament, however, no proxy, EXCEPT for unreleased models

This, basically.

There have been some teens I've played against that have been rather... creative with their proxying. If using a gatorade bottle is the only way you can field a monolith, and that's the only way you can play in our 1500 point league because your parents won't shell out an infinite amount of cash for 40k, then so be it.

if using one of the big honking geterade jugs, the size would not be too bad. i'd say give them pointers on how to convert it to look the part more. you know, cut it down Necronify it with bits ad paint it up. After once or twice seeing them use it as is, I would start offering the tips and tell them how much cooler it would be if they did that so it doesn't look like your being a jerk about it. it would help them take more pride and ownership in their army.

I don't play tournaments so I can't say anything about that.
When I play at my house or my buddies place you could come over with a bag of plastic army men and some toy tanks and completely proxy your army with that if you wanna try a new army.
For me it's about making the game available for people because if you wanna try out say tyrannids or Eldar but want to know how they play before dropping $500 on them to see if you like the play style.
It's also good for trying out new units and stuff. Proxying saves you money and makes the game more fun haha

Well, in our local tournaments we play WYSIWYG up to grenades.

 Ailaros wrote:

tremere47 wrote:
In a pick up game, I really don't care as long as you make it clear beforehand what is it supposed to be and the proxy models are different from the rest so we can easily tell what models are being used for the proxy.

In a tournament, however, no proxy, EXCEPT for unreleased models

This, basically.

There have been some teens I've played against that have been rather... creative with their proxying. If using a gatorade bottle is the only way you can field a monolith, and that's the only way you can play in our 1500 point league because your parents won't shell out an infinite amount of cash for 40k, then so be it.

I'm going to have to agree as well. As long as the proxy at least looks like what it's supposed to represent and is roughly the same size (ex. Carnifexes are not proxies for tervigons but can be proxies for Mycetic Spores) or (Tanks may be boxes but a shoebox is not a predator), any amount of proxy is alright with me.

 Tigramans wrote:
As long as the army composition is less than 50% of cardboard boxes, green G.I. soldiers and beer cans as proxies, I'm showing the green light... just barely. Actually, that sight would look shocking.

I knew all those empty beer boxes and cans that I left around the house would come of use some day! BRB, have to go tell my girlfriend that she was wrong to nag me about it.

As long as you have bought the right box I'm fine with it.
Examples:

- Sternguard with regular bolters. In game they have combi-weapons Cool

- Sternguard are regular Tac marines and painted as such Not cool

I play with my friend often and he has 100% tolerance towards all proxying. This guy seriously once took five chaos marines and played them as SM Devs.
Kind of frustrating...

 soomemafia wrote:
As long as you have bought the right box I'm fine with it.

Here's a question for you. I built Librarians out of parts from Tactical and Command squad boxes, with random other sources sprinkled in. Hoods are made from cut down Tactical shoulder pads and random skulls and cabling. At no point was any box or blister labeled as 'librarian' involved, but they're painted in Codex-compliant blue with freehand Librarius markings. Because there exist actual Librarian models, but not one was a parts source, this would seem to run afoul of your definition. Does it?

What about pre-plastic kit Sternguard that were built from Tactical components but painted with appropriate Veteran markings for the Chapter?


Anyways, for myself, for testing of a concept before you go buying up everything, I just care about same base size, similar model size, and relative lack of ambiguity.

For anything long term, I just care that your wargear is correct and consistent.

Of course you can proxy in a casual game in my world, as long as I get the opportunity too if it is needed.

As long as everything as the "proxy-host" is used for everything "hosted" then it is good. I would not allow 3 undifferentiated Rhinos to be used as a Leman Russ, Vendetta, and Chimera.

I also do not mind it if EVERY special weapon is one special weapon. (IE: IG player proxies all his flamers, meltas, and snipers as plasmaguns.) Because everything is clear and there is still no other special weapon being used.

That which I have not gone in depth to is a mixture of the two, but that is obviously taken under account. (My meltas are meltas, but everything else are flamers)

Size and weaponry must be at least representative.
If you are using X as Y weapon, then ALL X's are Y's.

I don't care if you don't use GW tanks for Leman Russes (I loathe the design, anyway) - I use Pig Iron's Ironside tanks for mine because I prefer my TANKS to be bigger than an IFV.

Yes, they have sponsons (added) and hull weapons (using GW bits where appropriate). The longer model means if it's in reserve, it needs a >6" move to come on. Last time I played this meant it had an effect on its firepower, and it's larger, so harder to hide. No benefits to me, really. It's the same height and width, though.

I run my club's annual tournament.
It doesn't have to be GW models if it looks cooler - but it DOES have to fit in. NO pencil boxes with tubes glued to them as stationary earthshaker platforms, for example. WW2 tanks MUST be modified to look less "real world-y".

In my normal gaming group, we don't really use proxies. Nobody has considered it. We use a few 'counts-as' conversions but nothing more.

 GreyHamster wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:
As long as you have bought the right box I'm fine with it.

Here's a question for you. I built Librarians out of parts from Tactical and Command squad boxes, with random other sources sprinkled in. Hoods are made from cut down Tactical shoulder pads and random skulls and cabling. At no point was any box or blister labeled as 'librarian' involved, but they're painted in Codex-compliant blue with freehand Librarius markings. Because there exist actual Librarian models, but not one was a parts source, this would seem to run afoul of your definition. Does it?

A good question and I believe I made myself unclear. Conversions are of course accepted (even encouraged IMO) if you have painted them the way you intend to use (and use them in no other way).

Yep, ill paint my salamanders blue with upside down omegas if i want thank you

Up to three "entities" ... after that, honestly, i'm going to have a damn hard time keeping track of what is what if it's not a WYSIWYG proxy,.... more than three "things" (a thing being a unit, an MC, a vehicle, etc), and let's play a test game if you're just looking to test a bunch of stuff, or let's play a smaller point value game so you don't have to proxy as much (and maybe get an extra game in too !).


Note, conversions i'm cool with, again, as long as its WYSIWYG, or even close. I use witch elves for death cult assassins, and love converting and kitbashing models. When i think Proxy i mean like "Hey, i want to use X buy i have nothing that remotely resembles X, so i'm going to use Y instead, that cool?"

extremefreak17 wrote:

I knew all those empty beer boxes and cans that I left around the house would come of use some day! BRB, have to go tell my girlfriend that she was wrong to nag me about it.

Multiple, simultehneous, and devastehting defensive deep strikes.

So long as the proxies have the same footprint as what they represent, and so long as it's reasonably easy to understand, I don't care. "I'm experimenting with a Chenkov list. All the Necrons I'm fielding are Conscripts." Fine by me. Field eighty of 'em. Easy to understand. "All the plasma guns in my tac squads are flamers for this game." Got it. No problem.

When it comes to a tournament, I'm much less forgiving. If the model doesn't have its chosen equipment represented, then as far as I'm concerned it doesn't have the equipment modeled OR the equipment you bought for it. But for friendly play, it's all good.

I'm totally fine proxying and playing against them. I like to test things out before I saw off my leg and buy a GW model. I also encourage this in newer players so they buy what they'll use.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
1. Just wondering how much proxying do you all tolerate?

2. Some one proxying weapons? 3. Vehicle armaments? 4. space marine armies as another army? (IE ultra marines, proxyed as salamanders), proxying models like tac marines as sternguard.

I ask because im wondering 5. if proxying LoTD as sternguards is to much or 6. proxying a assault terminator that i made with a TH/SS but now with the 6th want to make him a LC term, but i kinda glued his arms and sholder pads on, and i really dont wanna spend 50 bucks on a set of terminators for just one LC term

My first reply got eaten in the warp, so I'll try again. Numbers added above to break it down like the beat dropper I am. (Is that a thing? Did I say that right?)

1. I'm fairly relaxed when it comes to someone trying out something new. After 3 games, buy the fething model, though.
2. As long as it's clear and consistent, fine. "All of the flamers are plasma guns." Cool, I can remember that. "Some of the flamers are plasma guns, some are flamers, and some are missile launchers." No thanks. I'll pass.
3. For vehicles, see #1. After 3 games, get the right vehicle. The main thing is weaponry. I can easily get confused on what your giant gun is on a vehicle. As for non-weapon vehicle upgrades like Extra Armor or Eldar Shields and such, that's fine. Just let me jot down a note or two to remember.
4. You can use Ultramarines as Salamaders or Space Wolves. I'll poke fun at you, but that's fine. Don't use them as IG, though. That's bad-wrong. Badong even.
5. Legion of the Damned as Sternguard? Sounds awesome. Make sure they have the right weapons, but knock yourself out!
6. Look back at #1. Also, you don't need to spend $50 for 1 terminator. Ebay, man. You can get a terminator with lightning claws for under $8 if you look around.

As long as it's easy enough to keep track of what's what I don't generally mind. Sizes and whatnot should be reasonably representative of the unit it's supposed to represent though.

I don't mind weapon proxies much. I can understand people don't want to buy or magnetize a model for each weapon load out, particularly for the more expensive models. Less so with special weapon troopers or sergeants. Still, as long as any discrepancies are communicated and preferably consistent it's fine in my opinion.

Neither do I have issues with using Marines with any of the different chapter rules or CSM. (I always suspected those blue smurfs were a tad shady). Slightly converted tac marines as stern guard has been the norm rather tan the exception until 6th.

Bitsellers and ebay make life easier when you want to conform to WYSIWYG for tournaments.