WFB dwarfs in Feb. Pics in 1st post. link to new pics p13

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**decker_cky**

We'll be seeing a lot of runepriests. 60 pts for MR1, channel, AP for the unit, and the ability to buy magic defence is an amazing deal. I imagine any relatively significant dwarf unit will now take a runepriest.

**Saldiven**

Red_Zeke wrote:
I imagine you ought to be mostly alright though- Dwarf armies with the old book had a really hard time biting too deeply into their rare allotment.

Rare choices are, IMHO, stacked in the current book.

Organ Guns (roll on BS to hit, but use 2 artillery dice for number of shots, and can take runes, like the +1 to hit and have the BS buffed by a Master Engineer, 30" range)
Flame Cannon (can fire like the old Flame Cannon by using a starting target point 12" away, has multiple wounds d3, and can take runes)
Rangers
Gyrobombers
Irondrakes

It's going to be very, very easy to max out your Rare selection in the current book.

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lord_blackfang wrote:
So is this it or will there be wave 4? No huge warmachine?

Unfortunately, the book only has two units that are completely new: Gyrobomber and Irondrakes.

The rumors of a "huge cannon" or "tunnelling device" or "ork smasher" might refer to a Forgeworld item or something, but they're not present in the book.

**Red_Zeke**

Saldiven wrote:

Rare choices are, IMHO, stacked in the current book.

That's true- I suppose I was more getting at the fact that he was probably okay with his existing collection? But its more important where the points need to go in the new book than in the old...

**Saldiven**

Red_Zeke wrote:
Saldiven wrote:

Rare choices are, IMHO, stacked in the current book.

That's true- I suppose I was more getting at the fact that he was probably okay with his existing collection? But its more important where the points need to go in the new book than in the old...

Seriously. I've got a couple of ideas for lists percolating in my head. The simple idea is a straight up nasty gun-line with a Core of 45-50 Great Weapon Quarrellers backed up with either a block of Hammerers to try to kill stuff that gets through or a bus of Ironbreakers to tie up any scary unit that gets through, all backed up with about 1000 points of artillery (2 stone throwers, cannon, organ gun and 3-5 'copters of various types). I'm also kicking around an idea that includes rangers, two blocks with the strollaz rune and two 'copters with vanguard all backed up with some artillery and stuff.

**Ashitaka**

Red_Zeke wrote:
Saldiven wrote:

Rare choices are, IMHO, stacked in the current book.

That's true- I suppose I was more getting at the fact that he was probably okay with his existing collection? But its more important where the points need to go in the new book than in the old...

I used to field two hordes of Rangers (when I had Bugman) and that's already more points than my rare allotment in a 2400-2500 pt army.

And on top of that I've got to make core requirement as well with different choices.

(it's not a collection issue - I've been playing for over 20 years and I have at least 10,000 points of dwarfs, but the style that I have been playing and want to play.)

They've taken something that's been a core choice since '93 and shifted it to rare.

Plus as noted above I wouldn't mind taking some of the new things - Irondrakes and gyrobombers and trying them out.

**Alpharius**

Can someone refresh my memory on what the Irondrakes do?

**aclive**

Anyone notice that these guys were slipped back on the HQ page?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440054a&prodId=prod780864

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440054a&prodId=prod780854

...but you can't order them. Real weird.

I had noticed this guy got slipped in last week, I think.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440054a&prodId=prod1140273

**Ashitaka**

Yeah that's odd because they're not doing finecast anymore, and I don't think they're doing metal, and they're certainly not doing these characters in plastic.

**Saldiven**

Alpharius wrote:
Can someone refresh my memory on what the Irondrakes do?

Rare slot.

Moderately priced; probably in the range where you're not taking units much bigger than 10. Even at 10 models, they're more expensive than most warmachines, even with runes.

They're Longbeard statlines.

They have a special Gromril armor (can't remember the name) that gives them a 3+/6++ and a 2++ against Flaming Attacks.

They have a hand weapon and a Drake Gun (I'm pretty sure that's the name). From memory, it's an 18" range, S5, Armor Piercing, Dwarf Crafted, Flaming Attacks missile weapon.

The unit champion can get a Somethingorother Torpedo: 24" range, S8, Multiple Wound (d3), and I believe that one is Flaming as well.

They can take a runic banner of up to XX points. It's enough points to give them Vanguard, if you really wanted to, for example.

**TheyTarget**

Ashitaka wrote:
Yeah that's odd because they're not doing finecast anymore, and I don't think they're doing metal, and they're certainly not doing these characters in plastic.

You could buy them at my GW? They were metal. Was this a mistake?

**timofeo**

pretre wrote:
Did we talk about stats in the box already?

My Rumor proves true those who doubted me best apologize

jk

**pretre**

timofeo wrote:

My Rumor proves true those who doubted me best apologize jk

You had a rumor?

**frozenwastes**

timofeo wrote:

Spoiler:

My Rumor proves true those who doubted me best apologize jk

I never saw or doubted your prediction, but I'd hardly call those "stats in the box." It's the same useless stat line that's on the product page of most of the WFB releases on GW's website.

Real stats in the box would have enough reminder text and detail so that you could use it as a quick reference during the actual game. See Warmachine, Malifaux, Dystopian Wars or any of the other games that use reference cards for how to do it right.

At the price for the kit, I'd want a real reference item, not *that*.

**Kroothawk**

RiTides wrote:
So, there are these kind of subpar third wave pics, are there better ones anywhere?
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?388550-Dwarfs-in-February/page80&p=7064599#post7064599

You should know better than to trust Warseer to keep leaked pics online

Anyway, faeit212 leaked this release list of third week:

**Tangent**

Alpharius wrote:IF I wanted to buy lots of Dwarfs online for the best price possible, where should I be looking?

GW Dwarfs or non-GW?

Saldiven wrote:
Tangent wrote:
Saldiven wrote:
I got my hands on the demo copy of the book at my FLGS over the weekend. I had some pictures of the interior of the book posted up over on Bugman's Brewery yesterday evening and spent about an hour answering questions about the stuff in it.

My contribution starts on page 16 of this thread. Pictures are in the seventh post down from the top of the page (I'm technologically illiterate, so I e-mailed them to another Bugman's poster to upload and post for me):

http://www.bugmansbrewery.com/topic/42419-third-wave-pictures/page-16

Hey Saldiven, can they really not take any magic items from the BRB?

Nope, not a one. The new book has a BUNCH of runic stuff, though. There are six "Ancestral Heirlooms," which I guess are like the magic items that most army books come with now. I think maybe two of them are particularly good. I really like the banner that allows the unit to re-roll failed to-wound rolls, but it costs a lot of points (as you would probably expect). In addition, the weapon runes cover two pages. Armor, banner, talisman, and engineering runes are a page each. Lots of runes can be taken multiple times for a larger cumulative effect, but they tend to get expensive. I think several of the higher-end multiplied runic banners are good, but they get so expensive that they're BSB only, so you can only take one in an army.

Like the Rune of Slowness:

1 rune: When the unit with the banner is charged, the charging unit subracts 1d6" from charge distance; roll after the charger makes their roll.
2 runes: Same as above, but roll 2d6 and take the highest.
3 runes: Same as above, but if the charging unit still manages to complete the charge, that unit gains the ASL rule until the end of the turn.

That's just one example of one I kind of liked.

Thanks man. This is the kind-of army-wide stuff that I really like - really causes Dwarf armies to be significantly different from other armies.

**pretre**

As an aside, this week was pretty bad for rumor mongers. A lot of folks banked on some bad rumors on Dwarves. You'd think they would learn by now.

**Tangent**

pretre wrote:
As an aside, this week was pretty bad for rumor mongers. A lot of folks banked on some bad rumors on Dwarves. You'd think they would learn by now.

Gimme the single craziest rumor that turned out to be garbage!

**pretre**

Tangent wrote:
pretre wrote:
As an aside, this week was pretty bad for rumor mongers. A lot of folks banked on some bad rumors on Dwarves. You'd think they would learn by now.

Gimme the single craziest rumor that turned out to be garbage!

I don't know about the single craziest, but there were a ton of bad unit ones. The 'Orc Crusher' was very popular. As was the 'constructs that look like robots from Blackrock Depths'. Sigh. It doesn't give me a lot of hope for Imperial Knights since they all are clearly just bad mongers latching onto bad rumors from other bad mongers and running with them.

**Tangent**

pretre wrote:
As was the 'constructs that look like robots from Blackrock Depths'.

Hahahahahaha! That one's pretty funny!

Yeah, I hear you about the ol Imperium. Not to detail, but is that the name that they're rumored to have, now? I thought it was Astra Militarum or something like that.

**timofeo**

pities2004 wrote:
timofeo wrote:
I heard from my store guys GW rep that the new Dwarfs have stat cards, and with no Book so that makes me think the whole 9th ed no books and 1 book to rule them all thing may not be far off.

Hahahhahahahhahahahahahaha

No.

This was the prediction on the cards, though obviously my guess on no books was dead wrong but I did say makes me think on that part of it.

**lord_blackfang**

Imperial Knights are "safe" so far, 40k Radio didn't post any made up gak about Dorfs

**Micky**

Its a shame they didn't do anything to make the 'stats in the box' thing more useful. I'm totally understanding of them not including points costs and options, but you'd want them to at least include all the special rules associated with the unit, as well as a list of what they're equipped with.

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Oh uh. What does everyone think of the D3 Wounds cannons rumour?

**pretre**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Imperial Knights are "safe" so far, 40k Radio didn't post any made up gak about Dorfs

Other than a March release date.

**Alpharius**

Tangent wrote:
Alpharius wrote:IF I wanted to buy lots of Dwarfs online for the best price possible, where should I be looking?

GW Dwarfs or non-GW?

GW ones, please!

**plastictrees**

The "Dwarf Battleline" might be something to wait for. Those sets have had actual discounts lately haven't they?

**Kanluwen**

Micky wrote:
Its a shame they didn't do anything to make the 'stats in the box' thing more useful. I'm totally understanding of them not including points costs and options, but you'd want them to at least include all the special rules associated with the unit, as well as a list of what they're equipped with.

It's entirely possible that this will be "the thing" with units that are released before the army book. It lets you toy around with the point cost that already exists and try out any potential stat changes.

Just spitballing though.

Alpharius wrote:GW ones, please!

You might want to wait for the "Dwarf Battleline" boxed set. I'm thinking it will be the replacement Dwarf Battalion.

**Azreal13**

Alpharius wrote:
Tangent wrote:
Alpharius wrote:IF I wanted to buy lots of Dwarfs online for the best price possible, where should I be looking?

GW Dwarfs or non-GW?

GW ones, please!

Have you tried China?

**Schmapdi**

plastictrees wrote:
The "Dwarf Battleline" might be something to wait for. Those sets have had actual discounts lately haven't they?

They have - but at $165 listed price for the set, it doesn't seem likely to have a lot in the way of content.

I'm guessing something like:
Longbeards/Hammerer box x2
Dwarf Warriors box
Dwarf Thunderers box
One new character model (that will effectively be "free" - ie the savings of the box)

Which isn't terrible, at a discount. But the old kits will mean existing dwarf players won't benefit, and the character model will prevent any real reason to double up on it.

**Bla_Ze**

The content of the box is already up on bugmans, if the rumour is true that is.

**plastictrees**

Bla_Ze wrote:
The content of the box is already up on bugmans, if the rumour is true that is.

What are they saying? Bugmans is work blocked.