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With the POTMS ability would it enable an ordinance leman russ with sponsons to fire everything at full BS?

No.

You fire ordnance weapons and everything else snap fires. It doesn't matter if you fire the ordnance weapon separate to everything else because of PotMS.

Actually, Scipio may not be right there. The jury is still divided on that fact last I saw and while I've sent it into Gamefaqs@gwplc.com we don't know if/when GW will be updating the FAQs.

No, they are currently correct. All potms would let you do is fire one sponson at full BS while firing the ordnance.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Actually, Scipio may not be right there. The jury is still divided on that fact last I saw and while I've sent it into Gamefaqs@gwplc.com we don't know if/when GW will be updating the FAQs.

A vehicle that fires an ordnance weapon can only make snap shots with its other weapons that turn.

Is the vehicle firing an ordnance weapon?

the vehicle can fire one more weapon at its full ballistic skill than normally permitted. In addiiton, this weapon can be fired at a different target to any other weapons, subject to the normal rules for shooting

Please, point to me where PotMS means that a tank can fire at full BS if it's firing ordnance through PotMS.



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nosferatu1001 wrote:
No, they are currently correct.

Don't sounds so surprised. (tongue in cheek)

"All other weapons" is more general than "one more than normal" hence the stance quite a few (such as myself have) that it could work. It really comes down more to what GW wants it to do more than anything at this point.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
"All other weapons" is more general than "one more than normal" hence the stance quite a few (such as myself have) that it could work. It really comes down more to what GW wants it to do more than anything at this point.

Uh, what?

So you shoot one more weapon than normal. You're still shooting an ordnance weapon, forcing you to fire at snap shots with every other weapon. Actually, if you fire your ordnance weapon using PotMS, you waste your extra weapon at full BS.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
"All other weapons" is more general than "one more than normal" hence the stance quite a few (such as myself have) that it could work. It really comes down more to what GW wants it to do more than anything at this point.

Uh, what?

So you shoot one more weapon than normal. You're still shooting an ordnance weapon, forcing you to fire at snap shots with every other weapon. Actually, if you fire your ordnance weapon using PotMS, you waste your extra weapon at full BS.

Which is how you're interpreting the RAW argument and how the order of operations works on this, others disagree.

Seriously there is more than one logical way to work through this and trying to shoot down the opposing argument because it's not the one you subscribe to as this point is silly. It [b]needs[/b] a FAQ.

'The model may fire one more weapon at full ballistic skill than is normally permitted'

Normally, the number is 1, that being just the ordnance weapon. This is what is normally permitted. One more than this is 2. Ergo you can fire a Sponson/Hull at full BS.

As per Basic Versus advanced- Basic rules for tanks with ordnance reduce everything else to snap snots. Advanced allows one more and overrules the necessity of all others.

It's not a hard train of logic to follow, and is impossible to properly refute. But, in the end, as above: This needs an FAQ to properly be resolved.

 Brachiaraidos wrote:
'The model may fire one more weapon at full ballistic skill than is normally permitted'

Normally, the number is 1, that being just the ordnance weapon. This is what is normally permitted. One more than this is 2. Ergo you can fire a Sponson/Hull at full BS.

As per Basic Versus advanced- Basic rules for tanks with ordnance reduce everything else to snap snots. Advanced allows one more and overrules the necessity of all others.

It's not a hard train of logic to follow, and is impossible to properly refute. But, in the end, as above: This needs an FAQ to properly be resolved.

It mostly needs an FAQ because we have people trying to refute it anyways.

 Brachiaraidos wrote:
'The model may fire one more weapon at full ballistic skill than is normally permitted'

Normally, the number is 1, that being just the ordnance weapon. This is what is normally permitted. One more than this is 2. Ergo you can fire a Sponson/Hull at full BS.

As per Basic Versus advanced- Basic rules for tanks with ordnance reduce everything else to snap snots. Advanced allows one more and overrules the necessity of all others.

It's not a hard train of logic to follow, and is impossible to properly refute. But, in the end, as above: This needs an FAQ to properly be resolved.

Basic Vs. Advanced refers to codex rules. Special rules are basic rules, just a note. PotMS is described in basic rules.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Brachiaraidos wrote:
'The model may fire one more weapon at full ballistic skill than is normally permitted'

Normally, the number is 1, that being just the ordnance weapon. This is what is normally permitted. One more than this is 2. Ergo you can fire a Sponson/Hull at full BS.

As per Basic Versus advanced- Basic rules for tanks with ordnance reduce everything else to snap snots. Advanced allows one more and overrules the necessity of all others.

It's not a hard train of logic to follow, and is impossible to properly refute. But, in the end, as above: This needs an FAQ to properly be resolved.

Basic Vs. Advanced refers to codex rules. Special rules are basic rules, just a note. PotMS is described in basic rules.

Basic vs Advanced applies to rulebook rules too. There are basic rules in the rulebook that are changed or augmented by special rules inside of the same book all over the place.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Basic Vs. Advanced refers to codex rules. Special rules are basic rules, just a note. PotMS is described in basic rules.

"...Advanced rules apply to specific types of models, wether they have a special kind of weapon (such as a boltgun), unusual skills (such as the ability to regenerate damaged flesh), because they are different to their fellows (such as a unit leader or heroic character).."

Boltguns, Feel No Pain and Characters are now all codex only, are they?

Or, better yet;

"Basic Rules apply to all models in the game unless stated otherwise". So is PotMS is a basic rule, everyone has it? And everyone has sniper, and relentless, because they're all rulebook and therefore basic?




Seriously, just no. Basic rules are the rule set for each type of unit. PotMS is advanced.

(All taken from page 7 of the BRB)