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I know that from a kind of rules perspective they don't but I'm at a loss right now on why.

Mainly because summoning a Daemon is treated as coming in from reserve for all rules purposes, but in order to come in from reserve you must make a successful roll. So what's the argument against this.

The only way to come in from reserve is with a successful reserve roll. Is this why you cannot bring in other units with other instruments because they did not make a reserve roll?

The effect triggers when a unit in DS reserve passes it's reserve roll.

If you summon a unit neither of these things applies.

I thought that was the case, then abilities like Coteaz would trigger though as it is coming in from reserves for rules purposes, but it would not trigger another unit coming into play as that unit that was summoned did not make a reserve roll.

Also, I know how it works. I'm just pointing this out and getting rid of this argument before I add it to something I'm writing.

Here's my argument though, it says under reserves that in order to come in from reserves you have to roll.

Summoned units arrive via deep strike, I don't think that equates to arriving from reserve in any way, any more than a unit transported via Gate Of Infinity or any other similar mechanic.

That's off the cuff though, not checked.

Edit

Checked, you're right, considered as arriving from reserve, but was not in DS reserve, nor did it pass it's roll.

"...as having arrived from Reserves..." is not the same as "...coming in from Reserves..." but in any case it's talking about as far as restrictions on what they may do (move, shoot, etc...).

Likewise, if "coming in from reserves" is what allowed a unit with an instrument to bring a buddy along, then the unit brought along could also bring a buddy who could bring a buddy and so on down the line. No roll, however, means no free rider.

To your last point, if that were the exclusive case then you could not bring that second unit along with the Instrument's unit because the second unit did not roll. The conjuring rule, just liek the rule for the Instrument, grants an exception to the arrival from reserves rule.

Does an instrument even come with the summoned daemons?

kingleir wrote:
Does an instrument even come with the summoned daemons?

If you have the appropriate models, then summoned Daemons may include musicians and standard bearers. The "cost" is already included in the WC.