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GW need to recruit large numbers of low level retail staff because they have a lot of shops to staff. Their staff turnover is high because it is a low level job with little chance of advancement and a rigid company culture that not everyone will like.
The advert simply reflects that.
It's easier to work retail these days than it used to be because a modern till is automated and does most of the "skilled" work.
Just the other day I was discussing a person I have issues with and said, "it would be differet if he was stupid, I'd be perfectly willing to help if he was stupid but motivated. But he's smart and lazy and that I cannot abide."
Oh come on, we only just met!
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Sounds like pretty normal HR speak to me. They get off on things like "core values" and "having the right attitude" and lots of other meaningless waffle that means nothing on the ground (where sales targets are more important than your 'attitude').
I do like how the flyer has two things you'll never do as a GW employee:
1. See a female redshirt (or blueshirt in this case).
2. Build a Hierophant Bio-Titan!
GW Brighton in the UK has had many female blue shirts, a woman works there right now I believe.
You sure it's a girl? Long hair and boobs are not exactly indicative of a female in this hobby...
Lol I am sure, that made my day though!
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RiTides wrote: Actually, having gone through a several stage interview process with a company recently using similar jargon emphasizing their "strong internal company culture" and how important it was to "fit in"... I personally will be avoiding working for any company like that in the future.
"Strong internal culture" that you absolutely Must fit into, is another way of saying "we want yes-men", imo.
It's not unique to GW by any stretch, but it's certainly a very negative attribute of any company, imo. No room for innovation, only being "fit into the mold". Not a job for someone who is a free thinker with half a brain... in my opinion.
I've actually had the opposite experience with this... Some years ago now, I scored a job with a large toy company here in Oz (sadly now defunct, but they were originally set up to provide Australian-owned competition to Toys R Us, who were just getting a foothold in Oz at the time). They hired for that 'strong culture' and it basically amounted to wanting people who fit in with the team and could have a bit of fun with their job. It was an absolutely awesome place to work... until they were absorbed into Kmart and closed down. :(
Azazelx wrote: Yeah, that bit about "pretending you'll fit in, but you won't be happy" seems a bit ...weird or passive aggressive. The rest is pretty standard HR-Speak.
Automatically Appended Next Post: But read this blog post.
Good lord! I'd forgotten about that. I remember reading that when it was originally posted. Says a helluva lot about GW's culture with certain more "indoctrinated" employees.
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Azazelx wrote: Yeah, that bit about "pretending you'll fit in, but you won't be happy" seems a bit ...weird or passive aggressive. The rest is pretty standard HR-Speak.
Automatically Appended Next Post: But read this blog post.
A product that has been out of print for like 20 years and he gets canned over it? That's insane!
Automatically Appended Next Post: "we have no time for politics, private agendas, or petty behaviour. Leave your ego at home." Who says that kind of stuff in the context of trying to attract applicants? (and really, leaving your ego completely at home in the context of a sales position is just bad advice IMO) I understand portions of this may seem like standard HR bullgak to some but the overall tone as far as I perceive it is really messed up. All I could picture while reading this flyer was the individual who wrote it and I just felt like “man… who took a pee in their cornflakes?”.
The back side of the flyer doesn’t really even do what it sets out to in the title. The title was “who we are and what we do”, there is no mention on that side of what they do and on the other side they only mention products and services but nothing further. I can already hear you saying "well if you picked it up in a GW you already know what they do" sure, that's fine, why put it in the flyer in massive type? I understand this is a general recruitment flyer and not a specific job posting but god damn, why put in the title "what we do" if you're not going to mention that at all. I guess what you do, like skills, just isn't important but who you are, is very important... especially if you're full blown sociopath apparently.
There are also plenty of things absent here which you'd find in normal HR speak and career information, stuff that probably should be mentioned to maybe soften things a bit and make a career at GW sound more inviting. There's no mention of a fun fast paced environment, creativity, love of hobby activities, being a self starter, loving games, enjoy working with and around kids yaddy yaddy yadda, which I expected to read at some point.
The flyer mentions attitude, but never the word positive, simply a somewhat ominous "right" attitude, whatever that may be. They mention having values, just not what those values are. There's really no mention of what the ideal candidate would be, as they've de-emphasized skills, in fact only mentioning that some positions may require some professional qualification or proven talent, which is again de-emphasized because being a blank slate apparently is more important. "You're quite talented Jimmy but we were hoping you'd be more of a sociopath". It might help to actually impart some information about the company or what an ideal candidate looka like, simply saying "right" or "wrong" with no context of what constitutes either is creepy.
I'll put my cards on the table, I'm not a big fan of GW corporate, I love most of the 40k fluff/models and I respect a lot of the creative side of the company who are sort of held hostage by the business side. So yes, it's hard not to have some bias, I can certainly assume what a "right" and what "wrong" attitude may consist of in their eyes and it's a fair point that has been made.
With that said, try looking at the content of the flyer and pretend (if you’re able) that you don't really know what games workshop does, maybe you came across the content of the flyer without having heard of the company before. Does it sound like a company you want to work for? A lot of the HR crap from other retailers are kind of simplistic and laughable but they certainly have a far more positive and agreeable tone/spin to them, one that may actually attract applicants.
"people who don't fit or who "play" at fitting, will be unhappy" that sounds ominous...
It reads like Amy Poehler's character from Wet Hot American Summer wrote it:
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H.B.M.C. wrote: 1. See a female redshirt (or blueshirt in this case).
We've actually had several out here in Washington State. Fewer now than in years past it seems, and none were really anything to write home about, but I can attest that they do exist.
2013/06/21 03:18:53
Subject: Re:GW: Attitudes more important than skills
I think it's funny how they show this tattooed roughneck in the poster . . . to show how progressive and non-prejudiced they are. Working in the warehouse by the way, well out of sight of the women and kids. LOL.
2014/07/29 00:29:28
Subject: Re:GW: Attitudes more important than skills
I'm reviving the thread because I feel given today's preamble it's incredibly relevant.
"It mattered not one jot what her CV said. Appointing NXDs because of their careers rather than who they are is at the heart of the rot in the corporate world." - Tom Kirby
It seems to me that this is at the core of the rocky road GW is on, placing attitude ABOVE competency.
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2014/07/29 00:34:57
Subject: Re:GW: Attitudes more important than skills
It seems to me that this is at the core of the rocky road GW is on, placing attitude ABOVE competency.
Yeah because its difficult to teach retail skills. Only the best and brightest work in shops after all.
This thread was done to death before your nerco'd it - it has little or no bearing on the GW report, which has its own thread.
Perhaps you missed my quote, this policy extends far past their retail operations. This entire ideology would seemingly have a large part to play in the decline of GW.
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I really don't see the problem with this. Being a 'good fit' with a team or company is very important, arguably more important than any skills you bring with you.
Someone with the right attitude but not quite the right skill set can at least be trained on the job, whereas someone with the right skills but no desire to fit in can be very damaging indeed.
I've worked with some highly skilled programmers who, whilst technically brilliant, where utterly arrogant, deliberately confrontational and their attitude was poison for morale of other employees.
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LuciusAR wrote: I really don't see the problem with this. Being a 'good fit' with a team or company is very important, arguably more important than any skills you bring with you.
Someone with the right attitude but not quite the right skill set can at least be trained on the job, whereas someone with the right skills but no desire to fit in can be very damaging indeed.
I've worked with some highly skilled programmers who, whilst technically brilliant, where utterly arrogant, deliberately confrontational and their attitude was poison for morale of other employees.
If we are talking about retail positions, then I agree 100%, attitude is everything since retail skills are relatively easy to learn, but the right kind of attitude is absolutely essential when dealing with customers.
As soon as we start talking about positions that require a greater degree of qualification, then the "Attitudes more important than skills" motto is a sure fire way to hire / promote incompetence.
If GW applies it to every position in the company then it clearly explains the level of incompetence displayed by seemingly everyone there, from the IT guys, to the rules writing team to the legal team itself...
Crablezworth wrote: I'm reviving the thread because I feel given today's preamble it's incredibly relevant.
It may be, but if so please just quote the relevant text into the GW preamble / financial statement thread. We have enough threads on this at the moment without necro'ing up old ones!
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