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 jorny wrote:
I really hope they don't mess with the TK fluff! The point with TK is that they are non-evil udead, or rather grumpy "Get off my lawn, you damned kids!" undead.

Oh? I thought GW already did this? I recall them ruining the Tomb Kings by making them act like Necrons, and ruining the Necrons by making them act like Tomb Kings.

The tomb kings have no love for Nagash. He was responsible for turning Khemri into a wasteland and the entire population into skeletons. They chased him out which is why he lives in the north in Cripple Peak.

I wonder how prophetic this video will actually be in the bigger picture.

All I know, it might be a pretty huge thing. All they told me after I said Nagash and campaign book. "Still thinking to small." Might be them managers are just teasing.

 Azreal13 wrote:
This image intrigues me..

Its Castle Grayskull!

 Daba wrote:
I wonder how prophetic this video will actually be in the bigger picture.

Ha! Good one!

Also:

Undead are running rampant through the warhammer world the latest sales numbers are abysmal across the board and because of this undead units can be taken in any army.

WFB 'unbound' sounds...horrible.

"Hopefully" they'll 'just' introduce some form of allies system that doesn't completely suck and break the game.

Fingers crossed!

 Micky wrote:

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:
Much excitement from this one on my end. Mostly because I play empire and my brother plays vc.

Actually, wait.

Odds are, this might be VC vs TK.. TK (except Arkhan) kinda hate Nagash now.

I would hope not to be honest. I mean I don't see them putting Empire in the box but it was rumored a while back. I can see something this big releasing a new box set with the new models coming out for the Vampire counts it'd make sense to see them in some new box. I honestly cannot see a new Warhammer Fantasy box set being something along the lines of Undead vs undead. But maybe I am just full of speculation by this point. We've had no Fantasy release for several months now so I can only imagine that whatever this is going to be is going to be large, I mean come now...THE END TIMES ARE NIGH....that's a big statement.

I don't think they've ever done a "bad guys" Vs "bad guys" box; it's always been notionally good Vs bad (brets Vs Lizardmen, Elves Vs Skaven, Dwarfs Vs Orcs and so on).

I'd assume if there is a new box it'll be Elves/Men Vs Undead.

 Denilsta wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Undead in an Empire/ High Elf/Wood Elf/ etc etc etc army. That sounds terrible.

I could not agree with this more, it was bad enough with Storm of Magic when GW tried to shoehorn as many products as they could into existing armies with a fluff be damned attitude via the binding scrolls.

Magically binding a creature your will hardly seems "non-fluffy" for WHFB. I can totally see a sorceror trying to control a monster or two (or whatever) through magic.

Oh noes! Undeads in my non undeads armies! Such things are MADINGNESS I TELL YOU! This has never been before!!!

(Looks at Warhammer 3rd edition rulebook)

Oh... yeah. Right. Hmm. Daemons as well? Well, carry on. Bring on the Necronmany for everyone!

Graphite wrote:
Oh noes! Undeads in my non undeads armies! Such things are MADINGNESS I TELL YOU! This has never been before!!!

(Looks at Warhammer 3rd edition rulebook)

Oh... yeah. Right. Hmm. Daemons as well? Well, carry on. Bring on the Necronmany for everyone!

Doesn't make it any less stupid though!

I guess people are forgetting the Advent 2013 stuff?

The Restless Dead and Crypt Scavengers existed long before we started getting rumors of Malefic...and it has not really broke the game.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I guess people are forgetting the Advent 2013 stuff?

The Restless Dead and Crypt Scavengers existed long before we started getting rumors of Malefic...and it has not really broke the game.

No they have not, infact they have added incredibly fun little instances where you can use them. I wonder though, is there a limit on what armies can use those?

Nope. They were just treated as Allies and uses the Alignment summary from page 139 of the BRB.

So if, say, you took High Elves and Vampires it was treated as "Desperate Allies".

If this would be a starter for the next edition there is no better chance of including Bretonnians and that way introduce their new army book.

I can imagine Nagash starting alone on the board, and then summoning small armies every bloody damn turn.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I can imagine Nagash starting alone on the board, and then summoning small armies every bloody damn turn.

That'd be pretty fun.

If made well only. That could also be very frustrating. I wish I could say I had hopes that it would be made well, but… GW :(.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
If made well only. That could also be very frustrating. I wish I could say I had hopes that it would be made well, but… GW :(.

WHFB is designed much better than 40K, so that's something!

 jorny wrote:
I really hope they don't mess with the TK fluff! The point with TK is that they are non-evil udead, or rather grumpy "Get off my lawn, you damned kids!" undead.

Well, I guess Khalida is one of the 'nicer' Nehekharians. Settra, on the other hand, was always evil - in life and afterwards. Maybe not Nagash-evil, but enough to wage war against anyone else and leading slave-raids to Bretonnia and Tilea.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 jorny wrote:
I really hope they don't mess with the TK fluff! The point with TK is that they are non-evil udead, or rather grumpy "Get off my lawn, you damned kids!" undead.

Well, I guess Khalida is one of the 'nicer' Nehekharians. Settra, on the other hand, was always evil - in life and afterwards. Maybe not Nagash-evil, but enough to wage war against anyone else and leading slave-raids to Bretonnia and Tilea.

The recent Gotrek book had lots of good stuff with Khalida and her thousands of years of love-hate relationship with her Cousin Neferata - Pretty much all the Tomb Kings and Vampires hate and (as much as they can) fear Nagash - as he wants to kill all the living and control the dead - neither of which is good for either faction.

Necrarchs and a few such as Arkhan serve Nagash but they are also bound to him or insane (or both) - Manfred seems to act as he messenger / butler now :( which is annoying.

So, is this a herald of 9th edition, or just a campaign book, etc? I don't see a lot of consensus in this thread.

 Lone Cat wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:
The end is nigh?

More like, the end is nine.

And by the end, I mean the next edition.

Yeh. same marketin' programs it used to market the previous 40k rulebook. the current one says 'The End Times' no more.

Wow...just.....wow...

One of the coolest bad guys in Warhammer makes a killer comeback, and all I see is a page of wails and garment tearing.

His story is fantastic. Read the first three books of his series, and you will see that he is a threat to the entire world. The Tomb Kings fought him in life, only to be eternally cursed by him in death. Settra would cross the world for a chance to strike him down.

The Empire has suffered at the hands of the Vampires in wars that have almost destroyed them on more than one occasion. Nagash returning only makes this an even bigger threat.

Bretonnia is full of the Undead, and the Lichmaster has attacked Athel Loren in the past. Again, a huge threat from within.

There are Vampires in Lustria.

Seriously, this is a story that includes every faction in the game...and all I read is doom and gloom.

How about this....let's wait and see if it is good or bad? Why not get EXCITED for such a cool idea.

News flash! Warhammer Fantasy is IN TROUBLE. Leave it alone? Why? So no one else will play it? It is too expensive for new players to get into. That means that in a few years NO ONE WILL BE PLAYING IT. Guess what happens then...it DIES!

I, for one, and VERY excited that GW is at least TRYING to do something cool with the line. I cannot wait to see how cool this is going to be.

I even play Bretonnians! And you know what? I DON'T MIND that their book was delayed....for NAGASH!!!

Let's try to be a little more positive here!

^ this ! +1

Ok I admit, I liked that teaser.

Did the others have voice overs? I can't remember

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ok I admit, I liked that teaser.

Did the others have voice overs? I can't remember

I don't recall there ver being a voice over. GW's teaser videos tend to look like they were thrown together pretty quickly and design isn't often taken into account which is funny because their models are so nice as are the design of their books.

Skaven aren't exactly in his good books either.

 CaptainLoken wrote:

Let's try to be a little more positive here!

I applaud your enthusiasm. While I agree with your sentiment, I sort of liken the situation to a failing MMO with too many bugs. Instead of fixing the bugs that are causing people to stop playing, they're adding new content to endgame, giving people more to do. So, while you may be able to do more, the underlying problems that caused the community to shift are still present, which continues the downward spiral.

Maybe I'm wrong - maybe this is 9th Edition and that will fix the "bugs". I guess we'll see.

 CaptainLoken wrote:

News flash! Warhammer Fantasy is IN TROUBLE. Leave it alone? Why? So no one else will play it? It is too expensive for new players to get into. That means that in a few years NO ONE WILL BE PLAYING IT. Guess what happens then...it DIES!
I, for one, and VERY excited that GW is at least TRYING to do something cool with the line. I cannot wait to see how cool this is going to be.
Let's try to be a little more positive here!

It's not in trouble because of the lore or the models...

You actually have the reason why it's in trouble listed in your post. Best case is that it bumps some sales briefly.

 CaptainLoken wrote:
Awesome stuff

You've gotten me even more enthused than I was already, roll on Nagash!