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Am I correct that the painted figures we've seen so far are masters?

If so, will you be able to to show production level painting examples before the end of the funding period?

I've seen enough cases where the difference between master and production has been significant just in casting. Throw in painting and I suspect the differences can be pretty noticeable.

 CptJake wrote:


I've seen enough cases where the difference between master and production has been significant just in casting. Throw in painting and I suspect the differences can be pretty noticeable.

Well said - I'd like to see this too, before the campaign ends.

Age of Confragnarok killed Rackham (more or less!) - Pre-Painted Plastic was the "Original Bogeyman" - back before "Restic" became a 'thing'!

 Alpharius wrote:

 CptJake wrote:


I've seen enough cases where the difference between master and production has been significant just in casting. Throw in painting and I suspect the differences can be pretty noticeable.

Well said - I'd like to see this too, before the campaign ends.

Age of Confragnarok killed Rackham (more or less!) - Pre-Painted Plastic was the "Original Bogeyman" - back before "Restic" became a 'thing'!

I think there's a difference between changing an existing game where the metal models required assembly and painting to pre-paints, and simply launching a new pre-paint game. X-Wing, Armada, and Attack Wing all seem to be doing quite well. Heroclix is on their zillionth expansion.

Yes they have - but I'm not convinced that will be the case here, as 'organic' figures are WAY harder to pull of in 'pre-paints' than ships and the like!

Bossk - My comment wasn't about me or how they've communicated with me. That's a pretty rude assumption. Here and on the KS Comments people are asking about model counts for the game (not with the pledges..another assumption), sculpt variation, the inability to buy just the models (that's me), how this will differ or what will define it as a mass combat game vs skirmish etc.

When someone bellies up to the table, does very little PR and claims that they're stepping into the shoes of mass combat.. well IMO, they have a lot to show to be able to substantiate that. 2 factions with a handful of troops is nowhere close to mass combat.

Now, my grumblings about the value or lack thereof might seem vocal but I think I have 2 or 3 posts on a thread that is now 3 pages long.. hm.. I'll have to recount but this is a forum of opinion and I am stating mine.
When the issue of value comes up and fake stretch goals of "alternate sculpts" is pointed out followed by a comment stating that we won't even care about the sculpts because the game is so fun? Not only is that a bit condescending in a forum populated by gamers, but it also devalues more than half of their stretch goals (the other half are premium buy-ins).

Yeah, this ship has sailed. My complaints aren't even what made me jump ship though. It's the other stuff people are pointing out that is getting brushed off. If you don't have a dog in the fight, then perhaps you should stay out of it. Otherwise, go read the comments, read their facebook, catch yourself up, then come back and weigh in.


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 Alpharius wrote:
Yes they have - but I'm not convinced that will be the case here, as 'organic' figures are WAY harder to pull of in 'pre-paints' than ships and the like!

Yeah, I bought some of the Rackham pre-paints and they were definitely better than DnD minis or Heroclix or whatever but that's a really low bar. The quality still ended up being a basic tabletop quality primary color coating with no shading and either really flat paints or a matte coat. The only thing I liked about the paintjobs from those was that it was thin enough that I could paint over it without stripping the models.

 CptJake wrote:
If so, will you be able to to show production level painting examples before the end of the funding period?

Pulpasaurus mentioned on their facebook that they're using the highest painting service ("tier 3") of the painting service they hired, but, yeah, I'd like to have seen this and more specific reassurance than "absolute best paint jobs available" on the home page. *My* opinion is that if a creator uses a third party, name that third party (Hello Torn Armor!).

I also found Pulpasaurus quite professional in their responses. Honestly, this product is a niche-within-a-niche-within-a-niche, so will appeal to a very small audience (with very large wallets!).

ced1106 wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
If so, will you be able to to show production level painting examples before the end of the funding period?

Pulpasaurus mentioned on their facebook that they're using the highest painting service ("tier 3") of the painting service they hired, but, yeah, I'd like to have seen this and more specific reassurance than "absolute best paint jobs available" on the home page. *My* opinion is that if a creator uses a third party, name that third party (Hello Torn Armor!).

I also found Pulpasaurus quite professional in their responses. Honestly, this product is a niche-within-a-niche-within-a-niche, so will appeal to a very small audience (with very large wallets!).

Yeah, he's been quite professional in his choice of words. The words he's chosen not to say are the ones I'm getting at.

Either way.. the third-party painting service is a whole different ball of wax. Twisting Catacombs is a kickstarter I backed that had Golem painting signed on to offer their services at a pledge level. Now, we're close to delivery of the product and Golem has reportedly stopped responding to Zealot miniatures, backing out it would seem.
If this painting service is not prepared for this volume of work I would expect a similar outcome.

ced1106 wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
If so, will you be able to to show production level painting examples before the end of the funding period?

Pulpasaurus mentioned on their facebook that they're using the highest painting service ("tier 3") of the painting service they hired, but, yeah, I'd like to have seen this and more specific reassurance than "absolute best paint jobs available" on the home page. *My* opinion is that if a creator uses a third party, name that third party (Hello Torn Armor!).

I also found Pulpasaurus quite professional in their responses. Honestly, this product is a niche-within-a-niche-within-a-niche, so will appeal to a very small audience (with very large wallets!).

Without examples of what customers/backers can expect from mass produced 'tier 3' painting the words are pretty useless. Not masters, not examples sent for approval, but the actual 'This IS the standard you will receive'.

But until the actual whole lot is produced you'd never know anyway,

because even samples painted to the appropriate standard would be done by painters fresh and ready to work (but unpracticed) instead of sick to death of putting the same dots on the snake or whatever (but well practiced)

and the factory would probably weed out any duff stuff even if they didn't specifically pick out the best pieces

(I would, however, like them to point us to other stuff the factor has done to tier 3 which would probably be more informative)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

(I would, however, like them to point us to other stuff the factor has done to tier 3 which would probably be more informative)

That is what I meant by examples of what backers could expect to receive.

Yep. As a boardgamer, I don't back non-miniature boardgame KS, because I want to actually play the game, or at least read reviews, before I buy the game. If you followed the "Dungeon Crawler, Fantasy Miniatures" KS, you saw they had serious issues with the prepaints. It's unfortunate that Pulpasaurus has to enter such a skeptical environment when it comes to prepaints, but it's not like this isn't a known concern.

Anyway, Pulpasaurus is busy at GenCon now and there's still 29 days left!

 MLaw wrote:
Bossk - My comment wasn't about me or how they've communicated with me. That's a pretty rude assumption.

Actually it's a pretty reasonable assumption, given that you stated "Definitely dropping my pledge after the responses we've seen to legitimate concerns. What a crappy attitude for a startup." The main concerns/negativity seem to be from you, and "The Fett" on the kickstarter comments section, who also appears to be you. There have been a few questions asked that aren't answered, but given they are at Gen-Con right now and probably busy, that's somewhat expected. There haven't been many responses at all (or even comments, there's a whopping 46 on KS), and certainly nothing to get bent out of shape about. They do need to show some production samples before long though.

Seems expensive even for the unpainted tiers I'm interested in. And according to their road map it wont really be getting any better.

I'm guessing the models will be available individually at retail, might pick stuff up then if it's not too pricey.

 Dentry wrote:
Seems expensive even for the unpainted tiers I'm interested in. And according to their road map it wont really be getting any better.

I'm guessing you're paying for the logistics of a separate line of product, when you're paying for the unpainted tiers. Green Eye Games said that allowing backers to buy miniatures-only add-ons cost them money, even though buying each miniatures-only add-on cost more money than buying all four with the game.

Brainstorming here, but, assuming Pulpasaurus could do this the Conan license (I'm not sure if they could), with Shaney H.'s involvement, perhaps Pinnacle could have pulled a Reaper: First, take advantage of their Savage Worlds audience with a Savage Worlds: Conan and Savage Worlds Miniatures Conan release, integrating the unpainted miniatures with written adventures and game scenarios. This would pay for the molds. Then, Pulpasaurus could release the prepainted mini's game, hopefully at a lower price with the molds paid. Mophidius is releasing a Conan RPG, so I'm guessing Savage Worlds: Conan couldn't be written.

EDIT: Or license the sculpts from Monolith. Who's Grian? Looks like he's been bitten by too many squirrels.

Pretty excited for this. Like most, hesitant to back unless I see a production pre painted fig. Also doesent help not long ago there was the other concan board game. I would prefer this one though if I had to pick!

Hi everyone! John here again,

Sorry for the delay in response, we were working on a way to get everyone happy and try to increase the value of backing our game. Spent the morning making this update to the Kickstarter please go check out the changes we made. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2060871444/conan-rise-of-monsters/updates

I'll be back later this afternoon with more information, with everyone working Gencon contact between us is slow moving at the moment but ill address some questions as soon as i can!

A demo video will be going up soon as well on a how to play.

Thanks for all your patience, comments, and again check out the update to the kickstarter!


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Here is a demo of the game from the floor of Gencon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_KjTS6zrv0&feature=em-upload_owner

Great update and those new stretch goals look a lot more appealing! Looking forward to watching the gameplay video later on.

 PulposaurusJohn wrote:
Hi everyone! John here again,

Sorry for the delay in response, we were working on a way to get everyone happy and try to increase the value of backing our game. Spent the morning making this update to the Kickstarter please go check out the changes we made. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2060871444/conan-rise-of-monsters/updates

I'll be back later this afternoon with more information, with everyone working Gencon contact between us is slow moving at the moment but ill address some questions as soon as i can!

A demo video will be going up soon as well on a how to play.

Thanks for all your patience, comments, and again check out the update to the kickstarter!


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Here is a demo of the game from the floor of Gencon!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_KjTS6zrv0&feature=em-upload_owner

Wow... Taking this at your word, this is actually a tremendous increase to the over-all value proposition. Loads of stretch-goals now add-in a free model that didn't before. Does adding this many more freebies still work within your financial model? I'd almost be concerned that if you go too far in the opposite direction, that you might over-promise and not be able to fulfill?

Mind you, this REALLY shouldn't be read as a complaint. If this is your change, and you feel you can viably pull it off, then I think my pledge just went from wavering, to all but ensured. :-)

It's cool that they decided to add more freebies, but it worries me when I see a KS churning along and the creator starts promising more stuff that were previously $25 add ons.

Smacks a bit of desperation.

But hopefully it works out for the benefit of all.

Alright guys! I'm back with a few more answers to common questions.

Our updated Kickstarter has been carefully thought out and numbers crunched so that we can give out better rewards for our backers.

International and EU shipping, shipping in general we are still working on getting more information for. Currently i was informed that VAT will depend on the country you are in. Sorry i dont have more information on that front.

There will be NO mark up in retail stores. The prices you see on the kickstarter are the prices we will be listing on our website and your friendly local store. (the early bird specials are lower than retail and will not be available after they are gone)

The style of the game has officially been passed down to me as a 'Skirmish' game that has the option to scale up to a large combat game. More information to expand on this will be coming up soon.

Keep the comments coming, we all really appreciate the support! If you like the new changes please share the kickstarter page with your friends and get the word out!

-Pulpasourus John

So.. just so we're clear. I voiced a concern about the value of the kickstarter, and wait.. what's that.. the project creator actually did something about it? huh.. pretty funny that I was just told by some other very wise people here (that's sarcasm) that my whining wouldn't accomplish anything.. when.. it accomplished exactly what I hoped it would. Imagine that!


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Also, PulpasaurusJohn - Thank you for taking my concern seriously and responding in an unexpected and welcomed way. That's a rarity and I applaud you for it.

No problem MLaw, we are trying our best to make a great game, with the best prepainted miniatures out there...but we also recognize how important the community is.

We appreciate everyone's comments and support!

Let's keep it polite, motyak

Keeping my 2 set unpainted pledge and hoping for the best. A free war rhino would be pretty ace.

 PulposaurusJohn wrote:
No problem MLaw, we are trying our best to make a great game, with the best prepainted miniatures out there...but we also recognize how important the community is.

We appreciate everyone's comments and support!

Well, if the full stretch amount is hit it expands the dual core set from 30 to I think 85 models, so that's definitely added value. I noticed that all the early dual pre-paint sets are already sold out, so that's definitely something!

 MLaw wrote:
So.. just so we're clear. I voiced a concern about the value of the kickstarter, and wait.. what's that.. the project creator actually did something about it? huh.. pretty funny that I was just told by some other very wise people here (that's sarcasm) that my whining wouldn't accomplish anything.. when.. it accomplished exactly what I hoped it would. Imagine that!


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Also, PulpasaurusJohn - Thank you for taking my concern seriously and responding in an unexpected and welcomed way. That's a rarity and I applaud you for it.

Calling someone out on manners rudely isn't smiles upon here. Calling someone out at all isn't. Just use the report function, motyak

You know... now I am feeling much more excited in general. When laid out as being 85 pre-painted models for the $190 early-bird... i'm going to assume that is at least as good as the Bones pre-paints will be.

As value propositions go, that puts me back to "well, even IF the game somehow isn't to my liking, the models will find use in other games/systems, etc..." making it easier to back.

I will say, its a touch disconcerting when PR seems to misconstrue "skirmish" and "mass battles" without clarification, as it makes one seem... less knowledgable about the miniatures world (perhaps?), but I won't hold a sole mis-speak against anyone either.

I'm in at $190 for the time being, and hope the backers show up so that all of us actually feel like we're getting a good deal.

I will say, its a touch disconcerting when PR seems to misconstrue "skirmish" and "mass battles" without clarification, as it makes one seem... less knowledgable about the miniatures world (perhaps?), but I won't hold a sole mis-speak against anyone either.

I apologize for the constant confusion, a lot of discussion has been had on the topic and we have settled on it being a Skirmish game that scales into mass combat. More information will be made available soon on the scaling aspect of the game.

@Pulpasaurus: So which painting service are you using, and what retail or otherwise released products have they painted? The "About" page on the Pulpasaurus is pretty light on the plastic miniatures and prepainted miniatures experience, so let us know and additional information you can provide. TIA!

ced1106 wrote:
@Pulpasaurus: So which painting service are you using, and what retail or otherwise released products have they painted? The "About" page on the Pulpasaurus is pretty light on the plastic miniatures and prepainted miniatures experience, so let us know and additional information you can provide. TIA!

Our art directer George just provided me with an answer to this

"currently we have two manufacturers bidding on our project ... Both with separate processes. As it was explained to me is that they will be using a combination of both ... I planned on making an update on the process from concept to production in the next few days"

Thanks! Posted on Reaper forums and the Conan boardgame KS comments your response!