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 Quickjager wrote:

40K has always been about faceless hordes killing each other that will eventually culminate into the largest hordes killing each other. The characters aren't nearly as important, their past isn't either. Because even if all the named characters die in the next starter set for Tau, the story demands that another hero or champion for each faction will rise in the hour of need.

40K has always been about forces with a crapload of backstory killing each other. Heck, it started out as more of an RPG. The hordes have faces and character, and the draw of people to different armies is often that background story, character and aesthetic. 40K encourages you to make your own stories and champions on top of that rich backdrop. Each army can be storied through and through with heroes, or can be faceless, up to the players choosing.

I prefer my Tyranids to be faceless, but my Chaos champions to be individuals with back story. Some people like to put more character and story into their armies than others.

One of the specific issues raised is that the background supports women in the Imperial Guard, but there are no models supporting that background that I can think of. Well, except maybe the old female commissar model, and maybe that's not the greatest example.

No I like Overwatch, its just to compare a TT game to a video game made by Blizzard is disingenuous on multiple levels. Especially when one is a new IP and the other has DECADES of history behind it.

EDIT: Also I never said you pick a main, I said you have a favorite character that is a huge difference.

 Quickjager wrote:
No I like Overwatch, its just to compare a TT game to a video game made by Blizzard is disingenuous on multiple levels. Especially when one is a new IP and the other has DECADES of history behind it.

EDIT: Also I never said you pick a main, I said you have a favorite character that is a huge difference.

Uhh... is there a single fictional universe in existence that does not have most of its fans having a favorite character or faction?

If you want to be deliberately obtuse there is little I can do for you.

 Quickjager wrote:
If you want to be deliberately obtuse there is little I can do for you.

How am I being obtuse?

How did you mean "having a favorite character" if you meant neither playing one character over any others, nor simply having a character you like more than any others?

Is there in fact a third way to interpret that?

Ashiraya wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Are you trying to say that people bought Overwatch solely because of the inclusion of female characters?

No, but their portrayal did tip the balance for me, from a pass to a get.

How does a women's character portrayal affect a hero-shooter and how fun/buy-worthy it is?

Snake Tortoise wrote:If we start getting all PC with 40k then you'd have no option but to AoSify it completely. First it would be female space marines, then trans etc. Then someone would suggest the Imperium should stop with the (by our standards) war crimes and be nicer by adhering to the Geneva Convention and maybe adopting pacifism and becoming vegans, as well as welcoming Chaos worshippers into their new multi faith society. Eventually it wouldn't be Warhammer 40,000 it would just be 40,000, where games involve taking objectives but no weapons or violence of any kind, just a kind of tabletop sport like Subutteo.

No thanks.

And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar and Tau aren't sexually dimorphic like humans are. Having an all female, all male or a 50/50 split wouldn't make much of a difference for the Xenos. I would also venture to say that in the 41st millenia, humans range incredibly when it comes to muscle build. I wouldn't say the Catachans are anything like your average soldier.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar have very much less gender dimorphism (but still enough that they warrant having different torsos to distinguish male and female guardians), Cadians need every human soldier they can get so their mandatory enlistment includes women too, Catachan women are likely physically strong enough that it doesn't matter, and in real life those strength differences will start to matter less once we start implementing the powered exoskeletons humanity's been building into military organizations and a woman is just as capable of carrying you off the battlefield as a man would be.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar and Tau aren't sexually dimorphic like humans are. Having an all female, all male or a 50/50 split wouldn't make much of a difference for the Xenos. I would also venture to say that in the 41st millenia, humans range incredibly when it comes to muscle build. I wouldn't say the Catachans are anything like your average soldier.

Of course things are bound to change in 40k years, and alien species would be slightly different, but they are all humanoid. And humanoids have a tendency of one common trait: Women take care of preserving the species as a whole, (in terms of reproducing and care) and men defend the homeland and do the heavylifting. (I don't care how bigoted you call me or how progressive you are) And considering 40k is largely inspired by a time period in which it was very patriarchal, I am still inclined to believe that men are instinctively better fighters and/or stronger.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar and Tau aren't sexually dimorphic like humans are. Having an all female, all male or a 50/50 split wouldn't make much of a difference for the Xenos. I would also venture to say that in the 41st millenia, humans range incredibly when it comes to muscle build. I wouldn't say the Catachans are anything like your average soldier.

The Guardian kit comes with two female torsos. The Howling Banshees have only female models. The fact that we are clearly able to distinguish a male Eldar from a female Eldar suggests that humans would be able to tell a female Eldar from a male one.

Guardians have about half their numbers being female. Howling Banshees are not actually exclusively female so should have some male models. And none of the other Aspects are male-only so they should have some female options.

I'll give you Tau though.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar and Tau aren't sexually dimorphic like humans are. Having an all female, all male or a 50/50 split wouldn't make much of a difference for the Xenos. I would also venture to say that in the 41st millenia, humans range incredibly when it comes to muscle build. I wouldn't say the Catachans are anything like your average soldier.

Of course things are bound to change in 40k years, and alien species would be slightly different, but they are all humanoid. And humanoids have a tendency of one common trait: Women take care of preserving the species as a whole, (in terms of reproducing and care) and men defend the homeland and do the heavylifting. (I don't care how bigoted you call me or how progressive you are) And considering 40k is largely inspired by a time period in which it was very patriarchal, I am still inclined to believe that men are instinctively better fighters and/or stronger.

I think you need to reread the Eldar and the Tau fluff. They operate much different than the traditional gender roles of humans.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

Ashiraya wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Are you trying to say that people bought Overwatch solely because of the inclusion of female characters?

No, but their portrayal did tip the balance for me, from a pass to a get.

How does a women's character portrayal affect a hero-shooter and how fun/buy-worthy it is?

Snake Tortoise wrote:If we start getting all PC with 40k then you'd have no option but to AoSify it completely. First it would be female space marines, then trans etc. Then someone would suggest the Imperium should stop with the (by our standards) war crimes and be nicer by adhering to the Geneva Convention and maybe adopting pacifism and becoming vegans, as well as welcoming Chaos worshippers into their new multi faith society. Eventually it wouldn't be Warhammer 40,000 it would just be 40,000, where games involve taking objectives but no weapons or violence of any kind, just a kind of tabletop sport like Subutteo.

No thanks.

And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

The difference here being the lore directly states women join the IG (the only place it really matters, for all we know female Tau/Eldar may be the stronger sex of their species) Not all regiments have them obviously, and I'd imagine most planets prefer single sex regiments for ease of logistics/men are more expendable, but they are a thing that shows up in the lore time and again. I dont know if youre trying to argue that there should be no women or just 1/2 per box, but they are in the background and have even had models in the past. Granted the only two female models I can think of are balloon tits commissar and the "not Vasquez" with her nipples poking through her tank top, but they exist. You also have to remember that most IG regiments aren't exactly spec ops or the best of the best necessarily. Some planets tithes are literally them just herding a bunch of lower class people onto a ship and letting the Munitorum deal with it. They're not going to be looking for ideal muscle mass or physical make up, theyre going to be checking for a pulse and enough brain cells to rub together to point the correct end of the lasgun at the enemy.How many chromosomes you have really doesn't matter to the guard, you'll stop a bullet just as well as the next guy/gal/whatever.

Its different than female space marines, where there's no basis for it in the lore whatsoever. If we saw a box of female IG tomorrow, that would be absolutely fine and a lot of people would be happy because thats a part of the background finally being shown on the tabletop. Its not like if a box of female space marines showed up, where most of the community would be confused and expecting some sort of major lore revamp to explain it.

This is ignoring the elephant in the room of course, which is that sisters need a friggin revamp badly. I'm running out of things to jokingly refer to getting done before them. Mechanicus, Genestealer cults, deathwatch, and even plastic titans have appeared. If a plastic thunderhawk gets released I dont know what I'll do

If there's a bone to pick with diversity in 40k, let it be that. At least with race you can just paint differently. Bit more difficult to have to make the models to a faction yourself or from 3rd party because the metal models are outrageously expensive and difficult to obtain sometimes.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar and Tau aren't sexually dimorphic like humans are. Having an all female, all male or a 50/50 split wouldn't make much of a difference for the Xenos. I would also venture to say that in the 41st millenia, humans range incredibly when it comes to muscle build. I wouldn't say the Catachans are anything like your average soldier.

Of course things are bound to change in 40k years, and alien species would be slightly different, but they are all humanoid. And humanoids have a tendency of one common trait: Women take care of preserving the species as a whole, (in terms of reproducing and care) and men defend the homeland and do the heavylifting. (I don't care how bigoted you call me or how progressive you are) And considering 40k is largely inspired by a time period in which it was very patriarchal, I am still inclined to believe that men are instinctively better fighters and/or stronger.

And in the lore there's actually an IG regiment that is all-female.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar and Tau aren't sexually dimorphic like humans are. Having an all female, all male or a 50/50 split wouldn't make much of a difference for the Xenos. I would also venture to say that in the 41st millenia, humans range incredibly when it comes to muscle build. I wouldn't say the Catachans are anything like your average soldier.

The Guardian kit comes with two female torsos. The Howling Banshees have only female models. The fact that we are clearly able to distinguish a male Eldar from a female Eldar suggests that humans would be able to tell a female Eldar from a male one.

Guardians have about half their numbers being female. Howling Banshees are not actually exclusively female so should have some male models. And none of the other Aspects are male-only so they should have some female options.

I'll give you Tau though.

I was more referring to combat prowess and physical might. Eldar males and females are pretty equal as far as I have read. The Aspect Hosts are in dire need of a recasting. There isn't any reason the future ones, if there are any, would not have both female and male torsos.

 Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar have very much less gender dimorphism (but still enough that they warrant having different torsos to distinguish male and female guardians), Cadians need every human soldier they can get so their mandatory enlistment includes women too, Catachan women are likely physically strong enough that it doesn't matter, and in real life those strength differences will start to matter less once we start implementing the powered exoskeletons humanity's been building into military organizations and a woman is just as capable of carrying you off the battlefield as a man would be.

Exo-skeletons? You need to get off infinite warfare for a while bud. I haven't heard of these but I'm sure they won't become widely used until they are relatively cheap and accessible. So until they become those, you're stuck with good ol' fashion muskels! And besides, I believe there was a study in which men were more inclined to save their squadmates life if it were a woman more than a mans, even when it endangered the mission and themselves. Gotta love them instincts!

And I get cadians, and it very much does matter for catachans. Get a female body builder and get a male body builder (assuming these are about the average catachan) and get them to carry each other. It'll be a cakewalk for the man.

Edit: I realize these warring factions need as many soldiers as possible, but breeding is still necessary for more soldiers, and when you can either enlist a man that is most likely stronger and a better soldier, or a woman who is a valuable asset to keeping the human/eldar/tau race alive and is (in the case of tau and humans) most likely weaker, I know which I'd pick.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar have very much less gender dimorphism (but still enough that they warrant having different torsos to distinguish male and female guardians), Cadians need every human soldier they can get so their mandatory enlistment includes women too, Catachan women are likely physically strong enough that it doesn't matter, and in real life those strength differences will start to matter less once we start implementing the powered exoskeletons humanity's been building into military organizations and a woman is just as capable of carrying you off the battlefield as a man would be.

Exo-skeletons? You need to get off infinite warfare for a while bud. I haven't heard of these but I'm sure they won't become widely used until they are relatively cheap and accessible. So until they become those, you're stuck with good ol' fashion muskels! And besides, I believe there was a study in which men were more inclined to save their squadmates life if it were a woman more than a mans, even when it endangered the mission and themselves. Gotta love them instincts!

There are dock workers using them in Japan right now.

They haven't been used for military purposes yet, and I did say that, but it's gonna happen.

And I get cadians, and it very much does matter for catachans. Get a female body builder and get a male body builder (assuming these are about the average catachan) and get them to carry each other. It'll be a cakewalk for the man.

And Cadians are the biggest IG model line right now.

Edit: I release these warring factions need as many soldiers as possible, but breeding is still necessary for more soldiers, and when you can either enlist a man that is most likely stronger and a better soldier, or a woman who is a valuable asset to keeping the human/eldar/tau race alive and is (in the case of tau and humans) are most likely weaker, I know which I'd pick.

And the humans in 40k give two damns most of the time, since women are still fully capable of firing a lasgun and wearing flak armor and given that humans number in the quadrillions their population is in no danger of going extinct.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Edit: I realize these warring factions need as many soldiers as possible, but breeding is still necessary for more soldiers, and when you can either enlist a man that is most likely stronger and a better soldier, or a woman who is a valuable asset to keeping the human/eldar/tau race alive and is (in the case of tau and humans) most likely weaker, I know which I'd pick.

Eldar live are practically immortal. They will have a few children in their life time; no need to rush. Tau, for all we know, lay eggs. Tau control a very small region of space and do not wage the galactic wars the Imperium/Orks/Chaos do. They have the time to have children as do the rest of the Imperium's citizens.

 Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
And to everyone asking for half female everything, consider men are scientifically proven better fighters than women, and if you're in a guardian squad getting blown apart by bolts and your leg gets blown off and you need to get carried out of the battle, who would you want carrying you? The person with more muscle mass, or less? There is a reason there isn't many female soldiers today.

Eldar have very much less gender dimorphism (but still enough that they warrant having different torsos to distinguish male and female guardians), Cadians need every human soldier they can get so their mandatory enlistment includes women too, Catachan women are likely physically strong enough that it doesn't matter, and in real life those strength differences will start to matter less once we start implementing the powered exoskeletons humanity's been building into military organizations and a woman is just as capable of carrying you off the battlefield as a man would be.

Exo-skeletons? You need to get off infinite warfare for a while bud. I haven't heard of these but I'm sure they won't become widely used until they are relatively cheap and accessible. So until they become those, you're stuck with good ol' fashion muskels! And besides, I believe there was a study in which men were more inclined to save their squadmates life if it were a woman more than a mans, even when it endangered the mission and themselves. Gotta love them instincts!

There are dock workers using them in Japan right now.

They haven't been used for military purposes yet, and I did say that, but it's gonna happen.

And I get cadians, and it very much does matter for catachans. Get a female body builder and get a male body builder (assuming these are about the average catachan) and get them to carry each other. It'll be a cakewalk for the man.

And Cadians are the biggest IG model line right now.

Edit: I release these warring factions need as many soldiers as possible, but breeding is still necessary for more soldiers, and when you can either enlist a man that is most likely stronger and a better soldier, or a woman who is a valuable asset to keeping the human/eldar/tau race alive and is (in the case of tau and humans) are most likely weaker, I know which I'd pick.

And the humans in 40k give two damns most of the time, since women are still fully capable of firing a lasgun and wearing flak armor and given that humans number in the quadrillions their population is in no danger of going extinct.

Those dock workers aren't getting shot at by crazy terrorists though.

And it was mentioned that it didn't matter for catachans. I refuted that.

Quadrillion can go pretty quick when you've got a trillion madmen trying to kill you to save their quadrillion.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Those dock workers aren't getting shot at by crazy terrorists though.

Yeah, my point was that the technology currently exists in real life, not that it's currently being applied to the military.

I DID say that in the near future it would matter less. NOT that it matters less now.

And it was mentioned that it didn't matter for catachans. I refuted that.

I thought I said Cadians and dropped the Catachans thing altogether.

Quadrillion can go pretty quick when you've got a trillion madmen trying to kill you to save their quadrillion.

Except the IoM has had female IG for literally thousands of years and their population is STILL in the quadrillions.

And the IoM has been in the same situation for thousands of years.

It will matter when Abbadon actually breaks the gate/tyranids unite/any universe ending apocalypse.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
And the IoM has been in the same situation for thousands of years.

It will matter when Abbadon actually breaks the gate/tyranids unite/any universe ending apocalypse.

Yes, I'm sure having few to no women in the IG military will save the Imperium in those cases.

Azreal13 wrote:

But in some ways it can look worse. The cost of diversifying a video game like Overwatch would, at least outwardly, appear to be much, much greater than sculpting some female heads to be put on Guardsmen, er Guards-people.

So if it's ok to just stick new heads on male models and call them female, it's ok just to reskin the head of a male video game avatar and call it done?

Women are proportionately different, and for them to look 'right' then the whole model needs to be redone, even without going down the cheesecake route.

I'm 6'5", but as a proportion of height, my 5'2" female friend has longer legs than me.

Then we have different body fat distribution, different musculature, pelvis carried and configured differently etc etc..

A lot of this would be lost at tabletop scale, but most detail is lost on the tabletop, it's in promo pics and when we look closely that this stuff becomes relevant.

Okay, raise your hand if you have actually every been to combat or in a situation where you have both sexes in body armor and helmets and matching baggy uniforms.

*raises hand*

At 10 feet away, I might be able to pick out the females in a unit. It'd be harder if none wore make up or had jewelry. In the heat of battle, it's damn near impossible to pick that sort of thing out. Feminine facial contours on Cadian heads would indeed get the job done. Body armor? Gonna squish the boobies down. Hips? Bagginess of the uniform and body armor will blend it in unless you're talking Kim Kardashian or Iggy Azalea.

With the exception of the Eldar, the xenos in the game really don't have the male/female differences that we have. So you can identify them however you see fit.




What I'd like to see is more people painting Elven/Eldar faces brown. You never see that. Ever.

But every woman out of combat could mean anywhere from1-10 soldiers. So assuming about half are women, thats 2 trillion out of action. However, that means they will have more time and safety to bare children. Most will have 2. That means they take out 2 trillion, and they get 4 trillion. Remove some more women from the 4 trillion and repeat.

 Just Tony wrote:
Okay, raise your hand if you have actually every been to combat or in a situation where you have both sexes in body armor and helmets and matching baggy uniforms.

*raises hand*

At 10 feet away, I might be able to pick out the females in a unit. It'd be harder if none wore make up or had jewelry. In the heat of battle, it's damn near impossible to pick that sort of thing out. Feminine facial contours on Cadian heads would indeed get the job done. Body armor? Gonna squish the boobies down. Hips? Bagginess of the uniform and body armor will blend it in unless you're talking Kim Kardashian or Iggy Azalea.

With the exception of the Eldar, the xenos in the game really don't have the male/female differences that we have. So you can identify them however you see fit.




What I'd like to see is more people painting Elven/Eldar faces brown. You never see that. Ever.

:: keeps hand down ::

In Iron Man 1 though, Tony Stark didn't know his Humvee's driver was a woman until she actually spoke.

And Tony Stark's the kind of guy you'd expect to notice if someone's a woman or a man moreso than most people.


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 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
But every woman out of combat could mean anywhere from1-10 soldiers. So assuming about half are women, thats 2 trillion out of action. However, that means they will have more time and safety to bare children. Most will have 2. That means they take out 2 trillion, and they get 4 trillion. Remove some more women from the 4 trillion and repeat.

And half of all human children are female. So if human women aren't allowed into combat under any circumstances, you're removing one soldier, and getting an average of one in return.

You're not actually increasing the IG's numbers by doing so.

Nobody said they weren't allowed in combat, I was simply making a point they could be used for more than just another soldier, and should be treated as such and be removed from combat if it would benefit the human race more. So you would get more. (and even then, 2 is the average for today, in 40k it might be more because of conscription tithes or something similar.

 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
Nobody said they weren't allowed in combat, I was simply making a point they could be used for more than just another soldier, and should be treated as such and be removed from combat if it would benefit the human race more. So you would get more. (and even then, 2 is the average for today, in 40k it might be more because of conscription tithes or something similar.

Their numbers are fine even though they do use a lot of female troops. There are simply enough women in the IoM that it doesn't hurt the humans' numbers to so.

And since Cadians in the lore conscript both men and women equally, and are ultimately the flagship IG regiment at this point, they should be getting female conversion kits for their infantry.

And if your argument is that the lore doesn't make sense to you, I'm going to reopen the idea of female Space Marines since there's nothing whatsoever in the process of becoming a Space Marine that actually requires being male, and had the Emperor wanted to, he could easily have had some daughters as well as sons and worked out the tech to make it happen (women's lack of strength in the upper body doesn't matter as much when Astartes power armor provides a huge boost to their physical strength), making the only reason for not having female Marines being, "Because I said so."

But I don't want to get into that argument. I'd rather you just recognize that if "Because I said so." and "Because it's always been that way." is a sufficient argument for not having female Space Marines, then it SHOULD be a sufficient argument for actually having female models for the factions which, in the lore, have enough female troops to warrant it.

Iirc correctly I heard form someone that the Emperor was originally planning on having 10 sons and 10 daughters. The idea being the daughters would keep the sons conflicting nature and aggressiveness in check with more responsibility and better judgment. However it couldn't go to plan because there was some reason as to why women couldn't accept the modification (such as chromosomes or inherent biological differences between men and women).

Don't know if this is cannon or just people making up a reason for all male marines. However it would be simple to make female heads for cadian because of how similar the males and females would be. They both undergo the same training, for the same amount of time, to try make uniform soldiers of a set level of effectiveness. Plus I'm pretty sure that they operate off a ome size fits nobody system for uniform and gear, so bodily shapes would not come across as much due to baggy fatigues and tight body armour.

There's only male Space Marines for the same reason there's only female Adeptus Sororitas. Nobody cares and there's a special snowflake army for everyone.

Want more female presence in the game? Yeah that's fine, but how do you do it? Long hair on a couple of Guardsmen or your precious female Space Marines? Everyone's hair is probably shaved or kept very short. Throw tits on the models? They look very silly; Howling Banshees are pushing that boundary of looking okay and looking ridiculous.

 HANZERtank wrote:
Iirc correctly I heard form someone that the Emperor was originally planning on having 10 sons and 10 daughters. The idea being the daughters would keep the sons conflicting nature and aggressiveness in check with more responsibility and better judgment. However it couldn't go to plan because there was some reason as to why women couldn't accept the modification (such as chromosomes or inherent biological differences between men and women).

Don't know if this is cannon or just people making up a reason for all male marines. However it would be simple to make female heads for cadian because of how similar the males and females would be. They both undergo the same training, for the same amount of time, to try make uniform soldiers of a set level of effectiveness. Plus I'm pretty sure that they operate off a ome size fits nobody system for uniform and gear, so bodily shapes would not come across as much due to baggy fatigues and tight body armour.

I recall there were some 40k players a number of years ago who were custom-making female Cadian models by modifying the male ones, and they ended up with a result that was distinctly female while also fitting in with the male Cadian models.

Oooh this took a fun turn.

While it's true that men are generally stronger, it means much less when combat is based on guns rather than clubbing each other. In a world with advanced technology, I'll take intelligence, discipline and professionalism over mere physical might any day.

As for the strength factor and carry weights expected of a modern soldier, the modern kit is currently ruining legs and knees for life. That's one of the reasons why those exoskeletons are being developed. Even those tough guys are getting permanently messed up from carrying all that weight. The military would love to have a solution for having to carry around all that ****.