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Gen.Steiner wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

One of the things that 2nd and 3rd Edition 40K and 6th Edition WFB did well was have all the armies represented from day one - primarily because the rules had changed so drastically from the previous editions, but I don't see why they can't just do that every time the rules change - wipe the slate clean and set a new baseline.

There literally were no codexes before 2nd edition, so 2nd edition had to give us some lists to play with.

3rd edition invalidated EVERY 2nd edition codex, so they had to give us some lists to play with.

It's not that they did it well, they basically had to give us army lists to use.

There is a good reason they haven't pulled that move since 3rd edition. There are too many $50 Codexes and Dataslates now to just invalidate them every edition.

Yeah, I guess. Still, I wish they would.

Seeing that I have literally over a 1000 dollars worth of current rule books sitting on a shelf behind me, please understand I that I hope your wish never comes true.

I'd love to see a Tyranid vs SoB starter.

Perhaps a Hive Tyrant with two units of ten Hormagaunts and a maybe a unit of 5 Warriors, a Venomthrope and a Carnifex vs a Canonness with a Celestian bodyguard and two units of ten Sisters along with unit of Seraphim and a Penitent Engine?

This then includes most basic unit types (vehicles, mc's, infantry, multiwound infantry, and jump infantry), can include some psychic stuff, sports just about every type of Save (from 6+armor up through 2+, can include Invuls and Cover as well) and has a decent mix of shooting and CC stuff, with some sharply contrasting visual styles and solid fluff backing.

 Vaktathi wrote:
I'd love to see a Tyranid vs SoB starter.

Perhaps a Hive Tyrant with two units of ten Hormagaunts and a maybe a unit of 5 Warriors, a Venomthrope and a Carnifex vs a Canonness with a Celestian bodyguard and two units of ten Sisters along with unit of Seraphim and a Penitent Engine?

This then includes most basic unit types (vehicles, mc's, infantry, multiwound infantry, and jump infantry), can include some psychic stuff, sports just about every type of Save (from 6+armor up through 2+, can include Invuls and Cover as well) and has a decent mix of shooting and CC stuff, with some sharply contrasting visual styles and solid fluff backing.

Coming at the question from a unit diversity perspective it pretty clever, IMO.

I'm usually down with the classics though Marines Vs. Orks, Eldar Vs. Chaos, Nids Vs. Guard.

 adamsouza wrote:

Gen.Steiner wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

One of the things that 2nd and 3rd Edition 40K and 6th Edition WFB did well was have all the armies represented from day one - primarily because the rules had changed so drastically from the previous editions, but I don't see why they can't just do that every time the rules change - wipe the slate clean and set a new baseline.

There literally were no codexes before 2nd edition, so 2nd edition had to give us some lists to play with.

3rd edition invalidated EVERY 2nd edition codex, so they had to give us some lists to play with.

It's not that they did it well, they basically had to give us army lists to use.

There is a good reason they haven't pulled that move since 3rd edition. There are too many $50 Codexes and Dataslates now to just invalidate them every edition.

Yeah, I guess. Still, I wish they would.

Seeing that I have literally over a 1000 dollars worth of current rule books sitting on a shelf behind me, please understand I that I hope your wish never comes true.

Yeh, I can understand that!

Gamgee wrote:Tau vs Necrons. The new sleek high tech up and comers with short lives and optimism vs the old rusted ancient technological masters who are just out to save themselves and only themselves. Who's smarter? Who's technology will reign supreme?

Also we might get answers to the burning question of who created the Tau if anyone. are at least get the plot in motion.

Nice - I like this one too. Maybe the Necrons want to use their bodies to get back into the flesh-game.

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1) What two armies should be facing off?
Imperial Guard vs. Necrons

2) What does Army A have in it?
Not 100% familiar with IG, but something like:
Commisar
20 low level Guardsmen
10 "elite" guardsmen with more powerful weapons
Simplified snap-together Taurox
Maybe a simplified Walker with rules to run it as a plain walker or have the leader pilot it. I don't even know if IG can do that - but just go with me here, it sounds cool.

3) What does Army B have in it?
Necron Lord
10 Warriors
10 Flayed Ones
Simplified snap-together Canoptic Spyder
2 -5 bases of scarabs - smaller scarabs that look like a true swarm - 1 piece that cover the whole base.

Scenery
Some shipping container boxes
2 or 3 sections of Sandbag walls
2 or 3 techno crystal shard things for Necrons
A poster map thing (ala Warmachine starters) showing a cracked road ending in a loading dock/parking lot - beyond some basic badlands area with a dark mine entrance.

The Scenario
The classic Imperial world that mined into the outer reaches of a Necron Tomb. The guardsmen represent a patrol sent out to investigate the sudden radio silence from a small mining and survey operation.

While we're at it...
Print another map on the flipside showing the "lobby" of Necron Tomb. Put a grid on everything and create a few scenarios and sell the whole thing as a board game/intro to 40k.

Create some fun rules for the Necron shards - turn dead guardsmen into Flayed ones or something.

I don't think GW will include a map, ever, in a starter set, but it's a funky idea. I do wish they'd do punch-out cardboard terrain again though: the ruins from the 2nd Edition starter set were great, and almost all my Warhammer terrain is from GW's card models.

Bring back the Necromunda Bulkheads !!

Repentia vs Wyches.

Every fanboy's wet dream - scantily clad human females vs scantily clad female space elfs.

Games workshop vs Fans

GW
HQ: Kevin D. Rountrre
Elites: Phil Kelly in a Dreadnought
Troops : 10 Expensive IP lawyers

Formation bonus: Forge the narrative.
At the end of the game compare how much you spent on GW products. If you spent more than your opponent you win.

Fans
HQ:Nafkta
Troops: 30 1d4chan Neckbeards

Formation bonus : Rage
During each player turn, roll a d6. On a 1+ automatically lose the game.

Limited edition : 1000 copies will be sold with exclusive white D6 die and a copy of 8th edition rules that change as you hold them in the light.

Sisters of Battle makes for a nice #2 option, by the by, but instead of Chaos, I'd be tempted to put them against Dark Eldar. You only need one power armor crew in a box, and the Dark Eldar need the exposure while older players would snap up boxes just for plastic Sisters.

Halflings! Versus undead Halflings!

 pancakeonions wrote:
Halflings! Versus undead Halflings!

Well now *that* would be a new Necron army...

Here's my pick. It plays up the allies aspect of the game rather than being the core HQ+2 of stand alone armies. It can be made "legal" by adding a start collecting for each but it gives you a load of options which faction to build up all in line with existing fluff.

The Horstvahl Incursion: Forces of the Imperium Vs Renegade Planetary Governor.

Imperial
1 Inquisitor
10 Henchman
1 Ad-Mech Magos Biologis
3 Servitors - 2CC (human), 1 HW (Ogryn)
6 Marines (Vanilla)
1 Razorback

Renegade Governor Horstvahl
1 Renegade Governor
15 Militarum Vets
1 Militarum HW squad
7 Plague Marines
1 Deathguard Sorcerer
1 Daemon Herald of Nurgle

Expanding it with Start Collecting sets
Imperial: SM (Any) or Ad-mech. You could go with Grey Knights if the Renegade go with a Daemons set.
Renegades: Militarum, Nurgle Daemon (maybe Khorne?) or Chaos Marines. Honestly though as it's a renegade governor any Xenos start collecting will fit too.

 Inkubas wrote:
Games workshop vs Fans

GW
HQ: Kevin D. Rountrre
Elites: Phil Kelly in a Dreadnought
Troops : 10 Expensive IP lawyers

Formation bonus: Forge the narrative.
At the end of the game compare how much you spent on GW products. If you spent more than your opponent you win.

Fans
HQ:Nafkta
Troops: 30 1d4chan Neckbeards

Formation bonus : Rage
During each player turn, roll a d6. On a 1+ automatically lose the game.

Limited edition : 1000 copies will be sold with exclusive white D6 die and a copy of 8th edition rules that change as you hold them in the light.

All my muneez!

I still keep coming back to a Dark Eldar vs Sisters of Battle option.

Because, man, heck with Chaos, that stuff's for the Grey Knights, but the battle nuns vs the deviants just writes itself.

Wakshaani wrote:
I still keep coming back to a Dark Eldar vs Sisters of Battle option.

Because, man, heck with Chaos, that stuff's for the Grey Knights, but the battle nuns vs the deviants just writes itself.

Wych Cults vs Sisters of Battle!