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Lack of uniformity in models - Wraithguard being a prime one as each model in the kit has a different cowl and vane thing. I get the idea, but the whole "unique model" effect wears off when you have 2 or more squads on the table.

Hating on airbrushes - airbrushing properly takes skill, but there seems to be a mentality that using one makes you an instant artist and is somehow cheating.

For me it's when people put very little effort into what they call conversions. My buddy 'converted' the SM half of Dark Vengeance to be Chaos marines so that whole box could be Chaos.

Brings them over aaaaaaand they're just painted the same as his World Eaters - still with DA iconography and everything. He glued some spikes around their bodies and that was it.

Fair enough, people have different amounts of time and whatnot but those aren't really conversions . . .

 D4V1D0 wrote:
Lack of uniformity in models - Wraithguard being a prime one as each model in the kit has a different cowl and vane thing. I get the idea, but the whole "unique model" effect wears off when you have 2 or more squads on the table.

Hating on airbrushes - airbrushing properly takes skill, but there seems to be a mentality that using one makes you an instant artist and is somehow cheating.

Then spread out the different vanes amongst those multiple squads to identify them?

 Vulcan wrote:

 chromedog wrote:

 Elemental wrote:
Superglue that won't stick to resin, plastic or metal--but will instantly bond human flesh.

Most of that comes down to oils ... and "oils ain't oils" when it comes to ACC adhesives.

It just so happens that some of the oils in human sweat will actively accelerate the curing of superglues (and no, they weren't specifically designed to stick skin - that's a later development and a different formula with a different molecule.)

Really?

I thought CNA glue was an accidental development off an attempt to replace stitches in medical use - in short, to glue wounds back together rather than use potentially contaminated threads.

(It wouldn't be the first time I was mistaken about such things, though.)

Both correct. It was originally discovered it during a different wartime research project in 1942. They initially thought of the wartime medical purposes but rejected it and sold it commercially. It was later re-adapted for medical use. It was first used medically in Vietnam as a way to seal wounds before the soldier could get to a hospital. It's worth noting that the stuff we use is not the same as is used medically, so don't go gluing shut hobby knife wounds.

Ruin wrote:
Then spread out the different vanes amongst those multiple squads to identify them?

EDIT: I've realised what this comment actually meant, so ignore my previous response

My opponent touching my dice, that one boils the me the most. Second place is the "new paint curse" where your freshly painted models die before being effective in their first battle.

Spending a year converting, customizing, and painting an entire Army, building and setting a themed display board...then losing "Best Painted/Hobby" to someone who paid one of the Judges to do his stuff for him.

Superglue.

Unpainted models, especially old metal stuff that you know the guy has owned for at least a decade. Beautifully painted models on black plastic bases, so close!

I feel bad saying it, but grammar on wargaming fora gets me too. Using the right words really isn't that hard guys.

Edit: Superglue deserves another mention.

KellyJ wrote:
Spending a year converting, customizing, and painting an entire Army, building and setting a themed display board...then losing "Best Painted/Hobby" to someone who paid one of the Judges to do his stuff for him.

I understand that the judge should not be allowed to vote if he did some of the work.
Plus his relationship with the other judges is already an issue.

However, it makes sense that you would lose a Best painted to someone who does this professionally, I mean... those people are professionals I guess.

DarkBlack, you reminded me of another one!

Plastic to meal joints!

and drilling metal models!

Best Painted should never be awarded to someone who didn't actually paint their army.

I lost out to an army that just had sprays of yellow everywhere for "OSL" and poorly done, non-thematic freehand everywhere.

When you triumphantly slide the last tank tread into place... and there's a gap.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Best Painted should never be awarded to someone who didn't actually paint their army.

I lost out to an army that just had sprays of yellow everywhere for "OSL" and poorly done, non-thematic freehand everywhere.

But was it better painted than your army ?

Was the general impression stronger ?

Honestly, if you pay someone a feth ton of money to get your army painted, you should be able to get Best Painted too.

This is not a contest of who wasted more hours on it, but which army looks the best and is most enjoyable by everyone who faces it.


That said, if you think the judging was unfair, give us pictures of the armies so we can give you our opinion - in another thread.

Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

I understand it must have hurt.

But you have to admit, wanting to win just because it was your own sweat thinning that paint doesn't really make sense either.

Course, just because GW used to have a standard that you had to paint your own army (or at least say you did) to be eligible for 'Best Painted'... But that was long ago and far away.

morgoth wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

I understand it must have hurt.

But you have to admit, wanting to win just because it was your own sweat thinning that paint doesn't really make sense either.

That makes no sense at all. I want to win Best Painted because I have the best army there. I have lost to better armies and been completely fine with it.

I have never lost to a 3rd party painted army. I wouldn't participate in a tourney that would do that. I was just expressing that it doesn't make sense to award someone because they had more money to pay for it.

Selfish players.

First game in years in November, and it was Apocalypse. 4 peeps per side, 12,000 total per side, distributed evenly.

I fielded my mixed Mechanicus, including a luvverly Ordinatus Saggitar. Relatively few models (did you know, 6 Kastellan, two Datasmiths and an Archmagos are around 1,000 points? I do!)

Co-players had various Astartes. One of whom had the full drop pod formation thing, where the pods are free. He then chose to deploy right amongst enemy lines. Enemy Tau lines.

So for about an hour, I had nothing to do but kick my heels whilst he carefully positioned, repositioned, measured, re-measured, re-positioned each and every pod.

Then came intercept.

Then came his temper tantrum caused by the intercept he knew was coming.

We were playing at Warhammer World, and had a limited time frame to get in as many turns as possible. Such a literal waste of time. Especially as he stupidly deployed right in the midst, where I'd been lining up a proper naughty kill shot with the Volcano Cannon.....enemy didn't realise it had a 6' range....the big goon. Worst bit was the car ride home, with me driving The Beast. He was in the car. And rather than discuss our glorious win (last minute Kastelan fisting a Stompa to death just tipped us ahead), all I got was whining about Tau. DUDE. WE WON. AND WE SMASHED THEM GOOD INTO THE BARGAIN SO IT WAS A PROPER WIN. HUSH.


And....bad players.

No, not those hopeless at the game (otherwise I'd hate myself for playing Bloodbowl, a game I've never scored in, let alone won). But those who are terrible sports, win or lose (and I know people that are terrible at both)


Final one?

My flatmate moving and borrowing my tools.

If you need to use them, that's cool dude. No biggy. But don't take them into the blackhole you call a bedroom. I'm not going in there because a) good manners b) your semi-sentient killer socks. So just use them in the front room. Where we've got that massive table for painting and modelling and gaming, yeah?

morgoth wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

I understand it must have hurt.

But you have to admit, wanting to win just because it was your own sweat thinning that paint doesn't really make sense either.

the whole point of Painting contests is to be judged on your work, not someone else's work you paid for.

That's like winning say, The Turner prize, when the pile of bricks you submitted was actually left in your front garden by a builder, and Charles 'doesn't seem to actually understand the concept of art' Saatchi happened to be walking past.

Your painting hasn't won anything. You simply haven't earned that award.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Selfish players.


We were playing at Warhammer World, and had a limited time frame to get in as many turns as possible.

That really stinks, man. Ouch.

Another reason to only play Apoc with close friends. I'd love to play a normal game at Warhammer world! Even Kill Team would be fun!

Oh these were my local nerdherd.

We're going back for my birthday in June. Another Apocalypse game, same size, but this time Heresy, and guess who's not invited?

It's not so much the slow play thing (I mean, that's his army, so fair do's), but the total lack of sportsmanship.

And he can't hold his beer, which when you're making a long weekend of it isn't up to snuff!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


And he can't hold his beer

Poppycock! Out with him, indeed!

Besides, you should have Kentucky Bourbon.

Good luck on your birthday Apoc bash! Take pictures and make a thread!

This week just in:

Refused to build a Metal LRC with hurricane Bolter Sponsons.

Did that once. Never again

That reminds me of the metal Hive Tyrant.

Built one myself, took me ages.

When I worked for GW in the dim and distant past? Couple a week for customers.

I then moved on (doing much better now! Even got a proper career with a pension and that!)....sodding finecast one came out. Say what you like about variable quality, but I never did have to pin finecast stuff. And it never reduced to me a quivering wreck.

 Stevefamine wrote:
This week just in:

Refused to build a Metal LRC with hurricane Bolter Sponsons.

Did that once. Never again

I built one. Glue everywhere!

 kronk wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


And he can't hold his beer

Poppycock! Out with him, indeed!

Besides, you should have Kentucky Bourbon.

Good luck on your birthday Apoc bash! Take pictures and make a thread!

Bourbon? Eeeeewwwwww!

Pics may be forthcoming. I've assembled a thematic 3,000 point Loyalist Iron Warriors force, and hope to begin painting it very soon.

Got to love that Prospero box!

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

morgoth wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Yes, because you should always be able to just buy an award. Fits into GWs current pay-to-win model sales strategy I guess.

I wouldn't post pics. Pretty sure he's still a member on here and it was a long time ago. I was just expressing how crappy it felt to lose to that crap.

I understand it must have hurt.

But you have to admit, wanting to win just because it was your own sweat thinning that paint doesn't really make sense either.

That makes no sense at all. I want to win Best Painted because I have the best army there. I have lost to better armies and been completely fine with it.

I have never lost to a 3rd party painted army. I wouldn't participate in a tourney that would do that. I was just expressing that it doesn't make sense to award someone because they had more money to pay for it.

Because you think it makes sense to award you because you had more time to pay for it ?

damn... and I thought they said time is money.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That's like winning say, The Turner prize, when the pile of bricks you submitted was actually left in your front garden by a builder, and Charles 'doesn't seem to actually understand the concept of art' Saatchi happened to be walking past.

Your painting hasn't won anything. You simply haven't earned that award.

And there I thought we were awarding a prize to the army for being really nice to look at ... as that is to me the only thing that matters.

Stevefamine wrote:This week just in:

Refused to build a Metal LRC with hurricane Bolter Sponsons.

Did that once. Never again

I'd do it for fun and the challenge

-Loki- wrote:
It's worth noting that the stuff we use is not the same as is used medically, so don't go gluing shut hobby knife wounds.

To late, done that multiple times. But then again I've slit my hands so many times I actually painted a model's sword in my own blood.

morgoth wrote:


And there I thought we were awarding a prize to the army for being really nice to look at ... as that is to me the only thing that matters.

Nope, it's supposed to be for your skill in painting, not someone else's...