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My buddies happen to posses a scatter dice that due to the way it was printed pretty much always rolls a hit, in one game they rolled an arrow a grand total of 2 times. When i ask them to stop using it they do not. I really dont want to end our friendship over cheating, how do i tell them that this makes the game like playing against a deathstar with a fluffy list?

If the dice was printed wrong and is always rolling hits then it's a faulty dice and he should not be playing with it. If it isn't actually clear if they are loaded or not drop them in a cup of water a few times to check.

Ok, they know its loaded, how do i get them to stop?

Make it perfectly clear that using a loaded dice is cheating, if they are a reasonable person then that is really all it should need.

If they don't... well then I wouldn't say don't be friends with them or something, but you're in a situation where someone is refusing to play fair, the easiest thing to do is not play them. Possibly make sure that everyone else knows they wont play fair if you're part of a regular group.

First of all, is it actually loaded, or are you just saying that because that's the only way you can explain their good luck?

Assuming it is actually loaded, you could:
- Refuse to play with them unless they stop using it.
- Replace it with a regular scatter die without them knowing.
- Make a house rule that eliminates the problem (all scatters are automatic hits, flip a coin: the deep striker/blast lands where the coin does, etc).
- Break up with them.
- Cheat too.

Playing with loaded dice is cheating, there are no two ways about it. Simply refuse to play him unless he stops using the die.

OR get your own loaded dice and see how he likes it when you always roll sixes to save, to hit and to wound, and ones for leadership tests.

Ask them to stop. If they refuse then:

A) Pick up the die, walk to the door and huck it as far as you can....I mean really throw it. If you have a weak arm then use a wrist rocket.

B) It could "accidentally" fall onto some open heat source/flame.

or

C) If you don't have a cat to blame it on, get pne and then have the die just "disappear" ....."wha..your dice?....beats me....prolly the cat got it. I warned you to not leave stuff where Mr. Bigglesworth can get at it.

Hope this helps

Later,
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Take the loaded dice in one hand and your friend's face in the other.

Insert the loaded die into your friends mouth and force him to swallow it.

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
First of all, is it actually loaded, or are you just saying that because that's the only way you can explain their good luck?

Assuming it is actually loaded, you could:
- Refuse to play with them unless they stop using it.
- Replace it with a regular scatter die without them knowing.
- Make a house rule that eliminates the problem (all scatters are automatic hits, flip a coin: the deep striker/blast lands where the coin does, etc).
- Break up with them.
- Cheat too.

No, there is more ink on one side, i mean this guy admits its loaded and when terminators dont scatter when deepstiking in cramped terrain and a drop pod never scaters it is pretty much loaded.
An all scatters hit rule wouldnt be fair to them as i play ig and that would make my army unbeatable which is what im try to avoid in the first place.

Refuse to play him. I´d probably never play him again for that attitude but that´s just me.

It's kinda awkward if people ask for advice in case someone OPENLY ADMITS to cheating and REFUSING to stop.

If they insist on using that die, and know it's 'faulty', insist that that die be used for all scatters, theirs and yours. It will make for a fair game if their die becomes 'community use'.

Just make sure when you do so that you have an army list loaded down with scatterable attacks.

If they refuse, then you know they're not good sports and not worth your time - vote with your feet in that case, and walk away from the table every time they ask for a match.

Edit: question - in what way is it misprinted? Reversed symbol quantities (4 hits to 2 scatters)?

He has to allow you to use the faulty dice as well. It's only fair.


If you can't get him to stop using it he has to let you share his cheapness.

This is the only way you could do it without causing him to be pissed off.

To piss him off:
Steal the dice when he's not looking and replace it with a similar looking die

Take a hammer to it and shatter it.

A hammer.

Use it on the dice first.

Well at least he's not playing Eldar, lol amiright? Cheating is one thing, but if he brought an Eldar army you'd probably have to kill him. There's no other option.

focusedfire wrote:
A) Pick up the die, walk to the door and huck it as far as you can....I mean really throw it. If you have a weak arm then use a wrist rocket.

B) It could "accidentally" fall onto some open heat source/flame.

or

C) If you don't have a cat to blame it on, get pne and then have the die just "disappear" ....."wha..your dice?....beats me....prolly the cat got it. I warned you to not leave stuff where Mr. Bigglesworth can get at it.

welshhoppo wrote:Take the loaded dice in one hand and your friend's face in the other.

Insert the loaded die into your friends mouth and force him to swallow it.

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
Steal the dice when he's not looking and replace it with a similar looking die

Take a hammer to it and shatter it.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:A hammer.

Use it on the dice first.

Look, internet tough guys. Seriously? I don't care if it's loaded or not, you can't honestly go around smashing other people's possessions simply because you don't like them. Grow up.

The only solution to this is to either use the same die (which doesn't ensure a fair game, if he has more things that benefit from the scatter than you), or not to play him until your opponent realizes that he's cheating.

 Redbeard wrote:
I don't care if it's loaded or not, you can't honestly go around smashing other people's possessions simply because you don't like them. Grow up.

B-but why not? :(

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
A hammer.

Use it on the dice first.

My favourite part of this is how SlaveToDorkness implies there's a second part. And even if he doesn't say what it is, we all know what the second part should be.




OP, if your friend isn't interested in fair play, then he's not worth playing with or it's only going to get worse. If he knows you'll let him get away with it, it's only a matter of time till he tries other shenanigans. If he's really your friend, then he shouldn't be acting so childish about what is clearly a broken advantage. Like someone said before, get some loaded dice of your own, play a game where you basically thrash his army and when he tries to complain, ask him how it's any different to what he's been doing. If he refuses to get rid of his dice, then keep using yours. Personally, I would just flat out refuse to play him and I'd tell the other people he played with. Sooner or later he'll have to make a choice between using a broken die or getting to enjoy the game with friends.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:
I don't care if it's loaded or not, you can't honestly go around smashing other people's possessions simply because you don't like them. Grow up.

B-but why not? :(

Because saying I won't play you means at worse a few wasted hours and destroying someone can end with a life long shop entry ban.

Makumba wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:
I don't care if it's loaded or not, you can't honestly go around smashing other people's possessions simply because you don't like them. Grow up.

B-but why not? :(

Because saying I won't play you means at worse a few wasted hours and destroying someone can end with a life long shop entry ban.

...if not a police record for assault.

No-one knows the die is loaded unless it has been tested. The person could just be having a run of luck, which has led him to believe the die is loaded. He may be trying to cheat, but failing because the equipment is fair.

Test the item to make sure.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
No-one knows the die is loaded unless it has been tested. The person could just be having a run of luck, which has led him to believe the die is loaded. He may be trying to cheat, but failing because the equipment is fair.

Test the item to make sure.

Agreed. How many times have you guys rolled this thing? I find it very hard to believe that this die is actually loaded. Test it out and roll it 100 times, and record each roll. I'll bet that you find that it isn't loaded after all, and your friend has just been lucky.

 Carlson793 wrote:
If they insist on using that die, and know it's 'faulty', insist that that die be used for all scatters, theirs and yours. It will make for a fair game if their die becomes 'community use'.

Just make sure when you do so that you have an army list loaded down with scatterable attacks.

If they refuse, then you know they're not good sports and not worth your time - vote with your feet in that case, and walk away from the table every time they ask for a match.

Edit: question - in what way is it misprinted? Reversed symbol quantities (4 hits to 2 scatters)?

no there is too much ink amd that weighs it down


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 Nate668 wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
No-one knows the die is loaded unless it has been tested. The person could just be having a run of luck, which has led him to believe the die is loaded. He may be trying to cheat, but failing because the equipment is fair.

Test the item to make sure.

Agreed. How many times have you guys rolled this thing? I find it very hard to believe that this die is actually loaded. Test it out and roll it 100 times, and record each roll. I'll bet that you find that it isn't loaded after all, and your friend has just been lucky.

hes rolled it about twenty times, in my presence, i can only recall 5 arrows, even that might be stretching it.
They like to say they use it in response to me being a rules "nazi"(edit: put in quotes as that is what they say, i dont like calling people nazis outside of a historical context).
In reality i just dont let them give cover saves to vehicles like defiers that prop themselves up on aegis defense is no excuse to cheat.


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 Carlson793 wrote:
If they insist on using that die, and know it's 'faulty', insist that that die be used for all scatters, theirs and yours. It will make for a fair game if their die becomes 'community use'.

Just make sure when you do so that you have an army list loaded down with scatterable attacks.

If they refuse, then you know they're not good sports and not worth your time - vote with your feet in that case, and walk away from the table every time they ask for a match.

Edit: question - in what way is it misprinted? Reversed symbol quantities (4 hits to 2 scatters)?

they offered it as community use, several of my buddies use it, always against me, i avoid scatters via homing beacons and use my own dice when i can.

I feel that more science and less fuzzy thinking is required here.

I doubt very much that more ink is going to cause a dice to become loaded.

Roll it 1000 times and I'm pretty confident that the rolls will average out.

I will ask to test it, i am assuming when he says its loaded he has tested it.

Step 1: proclaim in future games all scatters will be rolled on their dice.

Step 2: conceal a different scatter dice in your hand, and when you go to roll it, swap it for the fair one.

Step 3: proceed after game to throw said offending dice in the dumpster.

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:

 Carlson793 wrote:
If they insist on using that die, and know it's 'faulty', insist that that die be used for all scatters, theirs and yours. It will make for a fair game if their die becomes 'community use'.

Just make sure when you do so that you have an army list loaded down with scatterable attacks.

If they refuse, then you know they're not good sports and not worth your time - vote with your feet in that case, and walk away from the table every time they ask for a match.

Edit: question - in what way is it misprinted? Reversed symbol quantities (4 hits to 2 scatters)?

they offered it as community use, several of my buddies use it, always against me, i avoid scatters via homing beacons and use my own dice when i can.

Sorry OP but if it's up for community use and they're letting you use it but you refuse, then it's on you for that. I'm not advocating using a "loaded die" but if everyone gets a shot it's only fair. It might not be an "honourable" solution but it is a fair one.

 Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:

 The Home Nuggeteer wrote:

 Carlson793 wrote:
If they insist on using that die, and know it's 'faulty', insist that that die be used for all scatters, theirs and yours. It will make for a fair game if their die becomes 'community use'.

Just make sure when you do so that you have an army list loaded down with scatterable attacks.

If they refuse, then you know they're not good sports and not worth your time - vote with your feet in that case, and walk away from the table every time they ask for a match.

Edit: question - in what way is it misprinted? Reversed symbol quantities (4 hits to 2 scatters)?

they offered it as community use, several of my buddies use it, always against me, i avoid scatters via homing beacons and use my own dice when i can.

Sorry OP but if it's up for community use and they're letting you use it but you refuse, then it's on you for that. I'm not advocating using a "loaded die" but if everyone gets a shot it's only fair. It might not be an "honourable" solution but it is a fair one.

Make it a House Rule. "Anyone can use the Speshul Scatter Dice but if it rolls an arrow add 2" to the deviation." Now it's fair, fun and orky, even if it turns out to not be loaded.

Rikerwota wrote:
I feel that more science and less fuzzy thinking is required here.

I doubt very much that more ink is going to cause a dice to become loaded.

Roll it 1000 times and I'm pretty confident that the rolls will average out.

This! I have serious doubt's that the ink is heavy enough to dramatically alter the roll. What facing has the heavy ink anyway?

I'm trying to work out how the OP thinks the words "friendship" and "cheating" belong anywhere near each other.

If the person is knowingly using a bad die then this person is not a friend. Act accordingly and stop playing.