I have a question for you all. Dose a Space Wolf, Thunderwolf rider, armed with a Power fist, hit at
str 9 or 10? Is there a difference between a Wolf lord or Iron Priest who has a Thunderwolf mount and a model from the Thunderwolf Cavalry unit. I was reading a article on 3++ about mistakes people make when playing
40k.
http://www.3plusplus.net/2014/08/mistake-mondays-7th-seal-edition/ #9 says.
If a model has more than one modifier to its characteristics, apply any doublings/halvings before adding or subtracting any values. So, for example, a Wolf Lord on a Thunderwolf with a Power Fist would be Strength 9 (4 x 2 = 8, 8 + 1 = 9), not Strength 10.
I have to say i agree and think it should also apply to Thunderwolf Cavalry. There are people out there who don't don't see it that way though. Over on Forge The Narrative Kenny has a list that he thinks pumps out 30+
str 10 assault attack. on August 15 they posted a list.
https://www.facebook.com/ForgeTheNarrative
If you even care about this, tell me how you see it.
I voted fore 9 and the best argument ive seen is by
hyudun;445181 wrote:This is how I read it:
"Certain pieces of wargear or special rules can modify a model’s characteristics positively or negatively by adding to it (+1, +2, etc.)..." (Models & Units)
This establishes that when a piece of Wargear changes a model's characteristics, it is considered a Modifier (capital M).
In the Space Wolves Codex entry, Thunderwolf Mount is listed as Wargear. (Wargear of the Fang -> Special Issue Wargear)
"In addition, a model upgraded to have a Thunderwolf mount increases their Strength, Toughness, Attacks and Wounds characteristics by 1 (these bonuses are already included in the profiles of models that have a Thunderwolf mount as part of their standard wargear)." (Wargear of the Fang -> Special Issue Wargear -> Thunderwolf Mount)
This implies that the "original" (not ever formally defined, but we are forced to infer its existence here) S, T, A, and W characteristic of any unit that comes with a Thunderwolf Mount is 1 less than what's listed in the unit entry & summary pages.
So back to:
"If a model has a combination of rules or wargear that modify a characteristic, first apply any multipliers, then apply any additions or subtractions, and finally apply any set values." (Models & Units)
If it doesn't come with a Thunderwolf Mount standard, then x2 for the fist and + 1 for the Mount = 9 in most, if not all, cases.
If it does come with a Thunderwolf Mount standard, then -1 to get original value, then x2 for the fest and + 1 for the Mount = 9 in most, if not all, cases.
My conclusion: it's Str 9 for any model with a Powerfist and a Thunderwolf Mount.
Side note: I don't think the 4(5) comparison is relevant because the 4(5) rule outright negated modifiers from any special rule in specific contexts, rather than determine the order in which it is applied.
