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Do you guys think that I should trade out my Big mek with KFF for Grukk Face-rippa or not? On a side note is the Big mek with KFF discontinued? Because he's not on the Games Workshop site anymore.

The Big Mek is discontinued, and Grukk is totally worth it. A Warboss equally equipped as him costs 120, he costs 130 and he gets normal FNP and shred on his PK. He is an amazing character. He also has one of the best warlord traits in the game.

As above, PLUS Grukk has a groovy-awesome model!

He is definitely worth the points, but I have to say, I was expecting more based on his fluff.

Well he is decent, but he is also the worst HQ choice there is in the book in terms of deployment options.

Warbosses on foot look great, but they just aren't very competitive compared to the other options. If you are taking a war boss, better to take him in mega armor or put him on a bike.

But Grukk looks awesome and is a must have for any ork completionist!

What other options are more competitive than the warboss?


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Also can Grukk Face-rippa still take nobz as a troop choice?

My grukk ALMOST killed abaddon in a challenge! (down to one wound.) so i was impressed with him ;P

Grukk was the reason I almost started an ork army. He's good for his points, has bellowing tyrant and can waagh!

If I ever were to pick up orks, I'd hunt down a grukk model.

Is Abbadon T6? Why doesn't Ghazkull have that? He's the biggest ork in the galaxy and a humie has better T.

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Is Abbadon T6? Why doesn't Ghazkull have that? He's the biggest ork in the galaxy and a humie has better T.

Abby is t5.

Grukk ain't bad but he's basically a regular warboss kitted with not very point-efficient stuff like like an attack squig and combi-rokkit. He gets shred to re-roll 1-s (cause it's quite rare when you're not wounding on 2+ with s10) and stock fnp which won't matter in a blob. He gets a good warlord trait to support your footslogging horde though. But can't get the Gifts of Gork and Mork iirc.

So, you're basically paying for a guaranteed warlord trait to support your footslogging boyz. I also think he has a nice model.

Grukk should be instakilling Abadon (barring EW)

Very nice looking Big Boss but, as said above, not the most efficient configuration for this role. The best way to get 100% of Grukk awesomeness is during challenges imo.

I will give a try to his detachment (which is all DS at T1), even if nothing from Nobz to Kanz are optimized in terms of stuff.

Waaagh 18 wrote:The Big Mek is discontinued, and Grukk is totally worth it. A Warboss equally equipped as him costs 120, he costs 130 and he gets normal FNP and shred on his PK. He is an amazing character. He also has one of the best warlord traits in the game.

Minor nitpick: A warboss with his loadout (PK, BP, Attack Squig, Combi-Rokkit, 'eavy armor) is 114, so it's 16 points for FNP, Shred and the Warlord trait. He also can't take a relic (stikk or cap), so while good (especially for those hating mob rule), not a no-brainer.

koooaei wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
Is Abbadon T6? Why doesn't Ghazkull have that? He's the biggest ork in the galaxy and a humie has better T.

Abby is t5.

Grukk ain't bad but he's basically a regular warboss kitted with not very point-efficient stuff like like an attack squig and combi-rokkit. He gets shred to re-roll 1-s (cause it's quite rare when you're not wounding on 2+ with s10) and stock fnp which won't matter in a blob. He gets a good warlord trait to support your footslogging horde though. But can't get the Gifts of Gork and Mork iirc.

So, you're basically paying for a guaranteed warlord trait to support your footslogging boyz. I also think he has a nice model.

I wouldn't put a pain boy in the same mob as your warboss. Makes the mob too much of a no-brainer to shoot.

Waaagh 18 wrote:Grukk should be instakilling Abadon (barring EW)

Abbadon is an eternal warrior. He's basically Thrakka's counterpart for Chaos Space Marines. He's a big guy who has all the chaos gods behind his back and somehow still manages to fail at whatever he does due to "For the Emprah!".

Is another HQ better or should I go with Grukk?

Depends on your army.

Personally, I'd run a MA warboss with Stikk instead whenever I would field Grukk.

Grukk is a side-grade. If you want his warlord trait, get him. If you don't, go with another warboss (MA+Stikk or bike).

Regardless Grukk is a beautiful model!

Painting him was amazing

Does anybody feel weird or awkward about fielding a character in your army when he is a famous, notable named character and has his own lore. Like unless you leading the red wagghhh.. Why would he be leading your warband?

Nope - because he isn't leading The Red Waaagh! either in the very box he is sold with.

Welcome to 2014, when it's perfectly fine to field any named character. The current thing to hate on would be lords of war.

If you are worried about the fluff of your army becoming inconsistent, you can rename him and still use his rules.

 Cobra66 wrote:
Is another HQ better or should I go with Grukk?

First off, I play most a war boss almost every time.

From a purely competitive sense, a Painboy or big mek with a kustom force field is a better choice. A couple issues come up with that though. Painboyz can't take relics, and KFF aren't a bubble out of a vehicles.

Warbosses suffer a little bit right now because while the waagh is a great ability, it doesn't work for two of the more competitive unit options for orks - meganobz (can't run_ and war bikes (also can't run). His offensive output really isn't significantly greater than ameganob or regular nob either!

Warbosses are best on bikes (which Grukk isn't) or in mega armor (which he also isn't wearing) so he is a foot boss, the worst way to deploy a war boss who is already below the pain boy in terms of competitive advantage.

All of that say, amazing model. I would generally field him as a normal boss with the powerklaw, attack squib, luck stikk though.