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Hi Dakka,

Got my Ork codex today and wanted your opinion on tis beginner speed freaks list before I go and buy the models?

HQ
Warboss
-Warbike
-Bosspole
-Power Klaw
=115

Troops
Boyz x12
- Boss Nob with Boss Pole and Power Klaw
-Trukk
=142

Boyz x12
-Boss Nob with Boss Pole and Power Klaw
-Trukk
=142

Fast Attack
Warbikes x4
=72

Warbuggy
=25

Thoughts?

I would say drop the warbuggie since one wouldn't be much help, and drop the bosspole on the warboss because your troops wont live long enough to benefit from the 10+ requirement.

That should free up about 30 points, put some boarding planks on those trukks, every inch counts! (In before that's what she said)

I'd agree with cypherio, 1 buggy isn't of much help, you could add 1 or 2 bikes somehow.

He needs the pole for the very reason that he will never have the 10+ boys for 4-6 on the mob rule table. The warboss is with the bikers...so he needs to reroll any result not a 2or3 or a 1-3 in cc.

that said, drop the buggy, buy another biker and give him cybork for the 4+,6+.

Don't listen to them. Always take a bosspole for the exact reason you won't have over ten. You need to roll that glorious 2-3 if you're not in melee if you dont want to break.

Drop the buggy, add another biker, and put a ram on the front of each truck. In my modest opinion, rams are an auto include every single time. If you re-roll a dangerous terrain check even once, or ram an enemy rhino, or even tank shock gaunts or guardsmen off the board, it's paid for itself many times over. Always take em.

I too toyed around with trucks and deffkoptas instead of buggies, in your case. Using the 40k in 40 minutes rules ... here's mine:

Painboy w/ boss pole

x20 Slugga Boyz w/ 'eavy armor, Nob w/ boss pole, big choppa, twin-linked shoota (leftover points)

x10 Stormboyz w/ Nob w/ big choppa, bosspole

x8 Lootas

Should come in at 500 points. Pain boy goes with the boyz so I hope their survivability will come through. Stormboyz are my favorite unit so I'm trying to include some deep strikers. Then lootas because ... lootas.

Deffkopta w/ TL Rokkit > Buggie

Oh Ok, so taking into account what everyone said, I decided to revamp the list using Pain Boyz as HQ's, thoughts?

HQ
Pain Boy
=50

Pain Boy
=50

Troops
Ork Boyz x10
-Nob w/ Boss Pole
-Truck w/ Reinforced Ram, Rokkit Launcha
=110

Ork Boyz x10
-Nob w/ Boss Pole
-Truck w/ Reinforced Ram, Rokkit Launcha
=110

Fast Attack
Deffkoptas x3
-Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha x3
=90

Deffkoptas x3
-Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha x3
=90

=500 all together

Thoughts on this list?

IMO, Painboyz are much better for footslogging Boyz, than in a Trukk.

 RedizDead wrote:
IMO, Painboyz are much better for footslogging Boyz, than in a Trukk.

Oh Ok, what would be the best HQ then? And would switching Deffkoptas for Bikes be better or not?

You can maybe remove the second squad of Koptas and the 2 Painboys, and field one more Trukkboyz mob with a "light" Warboss in it. Or a Big Mek with KFF, and try to keep the 3 Trukks in the bubble while you rush forward.

The thing is that you should aim at expanding your speed freaks collection.

Bikes will eventually end up as 14 bikes + nob biker (pk, bp), bikerboss (pk, dls), biker painboss.

Boyz will eventually end up as a bunch of truckboyz and wagonboyz.

Koptas won't be very useful in games above 1250-1500.

Buggies will be fine in squadrons of 3+.

Tank bustas will be great both as a max squad in a wagon or small squad in a truck.

So, make up your mind on what your 1500+ list would be and take anything from there. Even if it's not super optimal for small games.

 koooaei wrote:
The thing is that you should aim at expanding your speed freaks collection.

Bikes will eventually end up as 14 bikes + nob biker (pk, bp), bikerboss (pk, dls), biker painboss.

Boyz will eventually end up as a bunch of truckboyz and wagonboyz.

Koptas won't be very useful in games above 1250-1500.

Buggies will be fine in squadrons of 3+.

Tank bustas will be great both as a max squad in a wagon or small squad in a truck.

So, make up your mind on what your 1500+ list would be and take anything from there. Even if it's not super optimal for small games.

For the Biker squad, is that a Nob Biker, Warboss on Bike and Pain Boy on Bike all in the same unit? Would it worthwhile taking more than one Bike unit if you put both your HQ's in one unit?

Yep, they're all in the same unit.

You take 15 bikes, upgrade one to nob. Take 2 HQ's - warboss and painboss - put them on a bike and join the bikers. Thus, you have a semi-deathstar that's fast, quite durable, hits hard vs all but the toughest mellee threats and remains relatively cheap. We can go on and on about goods and bads of this combo but the fact is they're good enough to be taken in any speed freak list. The only exception might be when you play a blitz brigade of 5 wagonz and simply don't have extra 300-400 points for anything else other than the wagon units.

Bikers are a great unit but like everything orky, they tend to have hard-counters like ap4 ignore cover stuff. Painboss and boss mitigate this problems due to fnp and ld buff. Bikers without HQ are still decent but not nearly as devastating.

People usually tend to have 1 biker star and the rest are wagonboyz, trukkboyz, support stuff like tankbustas, buggies, kommandoes, flyers, sometimes burnas, and backfield ranged support (lootas, lobbas, etc).

We've got lots of viable options. Sometimes even stormboyz might work, but i'd strongly recommend to proxy them first to see if you're fine with how stuff like this plays.

I don't think I could fit in 15 Warbikes at 500, could 5 work?

If not, would two units of three Warbuggies work, or a unit of Tankbustas in a Trukk ?

Or how about instead of all that, this list?

Warboss
-Power Klaw
-Da Lucky Stikk
-Boss Pole

Boyz x10
-Trukk w/ Reinforced Ram, Boarding Plank

Boyz x10
-Boss Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole
-Trukk w/ Reinforced Ram, Boarding Plank

Warbuggies x5
-Twin-Linked Rokkit Launchas x5
(these outflank)

???

Nope, you don't need all 15 emidiately. I'm just proposing you not to go in for optimisation of that small lists too much. And as you don't have models yet, just make up your mind what's your 'big' list would be. And get your hands on whatever ammount of theese models you can get. For example, someone's selling a buggy for cheap. Why not get it now and play with a single buggy? Yep, it's not optimal to run just 1 buggy but why not! You'll eventually get a few more and form a nice squadron.


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Frozocrone wrote:
I don't think I could fit in 15 Warbikes at 500, could 5 work?

If not, would two units of three Warbuggies work, or a unit of Tankbustas in a Trukk ?

Or how about instead of all that, this list?

Warboss
-Power Klaw
-Da Lucky Stikk
-Boss Pole

Boyz x10
-Trukk w/ Reinforced Ram, Boarding Plank

Boyz x10
-Boss Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole
-Trukk w/ Reinforced Ram, Boarding Plank

Warbuggies x5
-Twin-Linked Rokkit Launchas x5
(these outflank)

???

Firstly, don't bother with boarding planks on trucks. Get a nob in the boy'z unit. It's essential to avoid challenges with a warboss and you need characters to die instead of him. Get extra boyz - to the max. You'll need every single one of them.

 koooaei wrote:
Nope, you don't need all 15 emidiately. I'm just proposing you not to go in for optimisation of that small lists too much. And as you don't have models yet, just make up your mind what's your 'big' list would be. And get your hands on whatever ammount of theese models you can get. For example, someone's selling a buggy for cheap. Why not get it now and play with a single buggy? Yep, it's not optimal to run just 1 buggy but why not! You'll eventually get a few more and form a nice squadron.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Frozocrone wrote:
I don't think I could fit in 15 Warbikes at 500, could 5 work?

If not, would two units of three Warbuggies work, or a unit of Tankbustas in a Trukk ?

Or how about instead of all that, this list?

Warboss
-Power Klaw
-Da Lucky Stikk
-Boss Pole

Boyz x10
-Trukk w/ Reinforced Ram, Boarding Plank

Boyz x10
-Boss Nob w/ Power Klaw, Boss Pole
-Trukk w/ Reinforced Ram, Boarding Plank

Warbuggies x5
-Twin-Linked Rokkit Launchas x5
(these outflank)

???

Firstly, don't bother with boarding planks on trucks. Get a nob in the boy'z unit. It's essential to avoid challenges with a warboss and you need characters to die instead of him. Get extra boyz - to the max. You'll need every single one of them.

So something like:

Warboss w/ Power Klaw, Da Lucky Stikk

Boyz x 11
-Boss Nob w/ Boss Pole, Power Klaw
-Trukk w/ Reinforced Ram

Boyz x 12
-Boss Nob w/ Boss Pole, Power Klaw
-Trukk w/ Reinforced Ram

Warbuggies x2

Warbuggies x2

(split the buggies up for more targets)

? Or switch the Warbuggies for Lootas/Tankbustas in a Trukk?

Or instead have 10 boyz in each trukk, and have five Warbikers with the Warboss on and Bike?