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Hey guys, I've got a Tourny tomorrow and the prize is a $60 gift card to my local FLGS so I'm looking to win this thing. Here's what I got

HQ
Overlord (WS, MSS, Res orb, TL)
Cryptek HoD (VoD, abyssal staff)

Elite
Deathmarks x5 (cryptek will be here)

Troops
10 Necron warrior (ghost ark)
5 Necron warrior (night scythe)
15 Necron warrior (lord will be here)
5 Necron warrior

Heavy support
Monolith
Doomsday Ark
Annihilation barge

Will probably face Deamons, Orks, GK, and some other form of space marine.

Also have 12 wraiths, another night scythe(DS), another annihilation barge, etc.

Definatley open to any suggestions you guys have to offer.

How competitive is this tournament? You list needs some work, what are all the models you have access to?

Yeah the list is a bit all over the place. Res Orb on a Lord without a max unit just isn't worth it.

Despairtek with Deathmarks is a waste with no reliable way to get into flamer range. You need a Nightscythe not a Veil.

Troops just seem to be a random mix of stuff. No overall plan no strategy. Do you want Cronair or AV13 wall or Boltgun Metaltide. It seems you have a mix of all 3 (the last one by far the least competitive).

Heavy Support seems the same. You'd be better off almost always just taking 3 Annibarges for Necrons. It is ludicrously under pointed.

If winning is your main aim, taking a Transcendent C'tan is a good idea as few but the most competent generals can deal with them.

Can't bring trancendant to this Tourny. Also have 12 wraiths destroyer lord, 20 immortals. Triarch stalker, 3 spyders, TONS of scarabs, 3 annihilation barges

The plan is for the ghost ark to replenish D3 Warriors to blob squad snd red orb to make them tougher. Teleport them across the field when the monolith comes in.

Brought the doomsday ark and deathmark squad for low AP termi killing units as I'll be facing GK

At least we know your tactics now and your list makes a tiny bit more sense, but here's why it won't work:
1) the monolith might not come in until turn 4
2) the monolith might mishap since it's such a large model
3) the monolith isn't that strong, putting it in front of the enemy and then also putting the warriors there as well is suicide
4) the warriors will probably all die to one round of shooting from some armies, or get assaulted turn 2 by other armies
5) if you want to make a tourney winning list, each unit has to be effective at more than one target, your doomsday ark doesn't do that

based on the models you say you have, I've came up with this list:
D.Lord, MSS, sempiternal weave
overlord, CCB, MSS, warscythe, phase shifter, sempiternal weave
despairtek, veil of darkness
5 deathmarks
5 warriors night scythe
5 warriors night scythe
6 wraiths
6 wraiths
annihilation barge
annihilation barge

depending on preferences you can switch the veil out for a res orb on the overlord, this is supposed to be a fast moving hard hitting list if played well, and has the potential to win a tourney.

Minimanj has posted a much stronger list though the Death & Despair squad is still pointless without a Nightscythe. With no mobile ObSec that list is playing to table anyway as it has no way of stopping the enemy from grabbing all the VPs in the early game. Thus I would swap a Warrior Scythe to the Deathmarks dropping the Veil to get a Stormtek for the other warrior squad.

Yeah I agree, that would be better.

@supreme overlord, for future purchases, more flyers and a 4th barge for catacomb command barge.

Guys i played a tourny and had a list similar to the 1 up top.

Firstly i disagree that you believe that the despairtek + deathmarks are useless they are amazing.

For the original list i would change out the monolith for another barge and also put in wraiths as they can be a pain to deal with.

also if you have spare points spend them on the overlord as ive found spending points on necron hqs makes them more or less better than other hqs.

I placed 3rd in mine now you wanna win so a good point to remember is its not all about what you bring but how you utilize what you have and when to utilize those assets.

Hope this helps

DarkHorse

Firstly i disagree that you believe that the despairtek + deathmarks are useless they are amazing. 

Then either:

a) You are very lucky
b) Your opponents are morons

Try them via Nightscythe then and only then are they amazing. Deepstriking 1" from the enemy is not a good idea unless you have loaded dice. Then any non-moronic opponent will kill them.

flingitnow

thats disrespectful to the opponents i have faced. its not luck i just know what to do and how to do it no one is lucky and no one is a MORON.

Also some of my close friends were the opponents in that tournament. So that is an offense as well thank yourself lucky i dont report you.

END OF!

So did they let the Death & Despair squad simply walk up to them? (Which I'm afraid is very poor generalship) Or did you consistently DS an inch away from their units? (Which means you were very lucky).

What happened in your games?

 darkhorse19 wrote:
flingitnow

thats disrespectful to the opponents i have faced. its not luck i just know what to do and how to do it no one is lucky and no one is a MORON.

Also some of my close friends were the opponents in that tournament. So that is an offense as well thank yourself lucky i dont report you.

END OF!

Not offensive if its true.

Regarding the OP, I would just drop the tech + deathmarks. Take the 3rd annihilation barge and laugh at people. 3 of them supported by 2 units of wraiths at 1500 is just obscene. You're likely to win most games by 2-3 turn unless you're actually in a competitive meta.

In my eyes Goldphish it was. Flingitnow neither happened you dont ds 1 inch away give a few inces for the unit.

For the flamer to be effective you need to DS a maximum of 3-4" from the enemy if you do that and consistently land in that 3-4" range of the enemy then yes you got lucky, particularly as it is only 1 unit that you are truly devastating against. So yes if you get very lucky all the time then any unit can be amazing, but Deepstriking into flamer range without a drop pod is not a sound tactic unless you have loaded dice. Deliver by Nightscythe and you can place the unit where ever you please for maximum effect.

 darkhorse19 wrote:
Guys i played a tourny and had a list similar to the 1 up top.
I placed 3rd in mine now you wanna win so a good point to remember is its not all about what you bring but how you utilize what you have and when to utilize those assets.DarkHorse

The main issue is that we (the internet) can't see what list you exactly played vs. the lists you played against. Without the later, we have no idea how competitive your competition was or how many people you played against.

The phrase "I beat a Tau player" means nothing as we don't know what they were using. They could've been using all the wrong things for all we know.

In terms of the Original Post, I would definately take the 3 annihilation barges, form my experience, they're the most effective heavy support choices Necrons have.

Sketchyfk I'm not saying that what Flingitnow is saying isn't true.

I'm just saying to call my opponents morons is arrogant and down right disrespectful.

And as for the List I run at 2000 points. (I don't do 1500 points with Necrons I prefer the Eldar)

Necron 2000 point list.

HQ:

Necron Overlord - 260
Phaeron
Warscythe
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Phylactery
Sempiternal Weave
Tesseract Labryinth
Resurrection Orb
Phase Shifter

Cryptek - 60
Harbinger of Despair
Abyssal Staff
Veil of Darkness

Nexron Lord - 150
Warscythe
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Sempiternal Weave
Resurrection Orb
Phase Shifter

Troops

10x Necron Warriors - 130
10x Necron Warriors - 130
10x Necron Warriors - 130

Dedicate Transport

Nightscythe - 100

Elites

5x Deathmarks - 95

5x Lychguard - 200
Warscythes

Triarch Stalker - 165
Twin Linked Heavy Gauss Cannon

Fast Attack

6x Canoptek Scarabs - 90

3x Canoptek Wraiths - 115
Whip Coil

Heavy Support

Annihilation Barge - 90

Doomsday Ark - 175

Canoptek Spyder - 100
Fabricator Claw Array
Gloom Prism
Twin Linked Particle Beamer

Total 1,990 points and I do win with this list through careful planning not luck or my opponent being an idiot.

Satisfied?

gotta agree... the deathmark unit is useless without the sythe.
if you get lucky with the deepstrike then sure... but you cant bank your tactics on perfect rolling and no scatter risk.

if theyre walking and someone lets them get close enough to hit that flamer then they made major mistakes. drop the squad pinpoint out of the flyer and its a pain in the ass.

my favourite necrons are imperial armour flayed ones or a canoptek army... but i feel that the most effective is av13 spam. ESPECIALLY in 7th. the stuff is so damn hard to pop.

 darkhorse19 wrote:
Sketchyfk I'm not saying that what Flingitnow is saying isn't true.

I'm just saying to call my opponents morons is arrogant and down right disrespectful.

And as for the List I run at 2000 points. (I don't do 1500 points with Necrons I prefer the Eldar)

Necron 2000 point list.

HQ:

Necron Overlord - 260
Phaeron
Warscythe
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Phylactery
Sempiternal Weave
Tesseract Labryinth
Resurrection Orb
Phase Shifter

Cryptek - 60
Harbinger of Despair
Abyssal Staff
Veil of Darkness

Nexron Lord - 150
Warscythe
Mind Shackle Scarabs
Sempiternal Weave
Resurrection Orb
Phase Shifter

Troops

10x Necron Warriors - 130
10x Necron Warriors - 130
10x Necron Warriors - 130

Dedicate Transport

Nightscythe - 100

Elites

5x Deathmarks - 95

5x Lychguard - 200
Warscythes

Triarch Stalker - 165
Twin Linked Heavy Gauss Cannon

Fast Attack

6x Canoptek Scarabs - 90

3x Canoptek Wraiths - 115
Whip Coil

Heavy Support

Annihilation Barge - 90

Doomsday Ark - 175

Canoptek Spyder - 100
Fabricator Claw Array
Gloom Prism
Twin Linked Particle Beamer

Total 1,990 points and I do win with this list through careful planning not luck or my opponent being an idiot.

Satisfied?

That is a fun army, but from a competitive stand point: a terrible, terrible list. Your local meta is not competitive. If you took this to a serious tournament you would have literally no chance of placing. Not being mean and not disrespecting your army, it is just SO sub optimal that you'd be screwed.

Out of interest, when you place your veiltek, then manage to never scatter at all, then place your flame template across the deathmarks in the ring around it - do you always remember to roll to wound yourself?

 darkhorse19 wrote:

Out of interest, when you place your veiltek, then manage to never scatter at all, then place your flame template across the deathmarks in the ring around it - do you always remember to roll to wound yourself?

He wouldnt have to place the veiltek first... so its easy enough to miss your own squad with the flamer template.

Right. Had never considered that. I was forging way too much narrative right there!

Ok so what is competitive in your own experience kholzerino and no I place a deathmark down first it would be daft to burn my own guys.

What list do you play for a 1500 or 2000 point list.

Overlord in a catacomb command barge
Destroyer Lord, particularly when combined with:
Wraiths
Stormteks dropping with min warrior units from night scythe
Annihilation Barges
Despairteks with Deathmarks dropping from night scythe
Ghost arks with warriors
Transcendent C'Tan (if allowed)
One or two man objective grabbing tomb blade units (for maelstrom missions if you haven't filled slots with wraiths/scarabs)

Then fun and CAN be competitive:
Naked spyders in units of 3 when combined with scarabs and enough other threats
Doom scythes
Death ray sentry pylons (PylonStar?)
Destrukteks in units of five in a fortification with Zandrekh and a Comms relay

Just my opinion having seen a lot of necron lists at tournements and having played them a bunch.

Here's what I run and consider fairly competitive. This is largely a 6th Ed list, it struggles at Maelstrom but can table a lot of stuff:

Overlord: warscythe, weave, MSS, CCB 210
Overlord: warscythe 100

Court1: 2 Despairteks, 2 Stormteks 110
Court2: 2 Despairteks, 2 Stormteks 110

Warriors: Nightscythe 165
Warriors: Nightscythe 165
Warriors: Nightscythe 165
Warriors: Nightscythe 165

Deathmarks: Nightscythe 195
Deathmarks: Nightscythe 195

Annibarge 90
Annibarge 90
Annibarge 90

That's a fairly standard Cronair list I originally designed at the start of 6th. With 9 Tesla destructors that's 48 S7 hits a turn on average plus all the haywire. I run 2 Despairteks in each Deathmark unit because I like to wipe units when I fire at them and I suck at rolling dice so I stack the odds heavily in my favour. However this is what I think is the most competitive Cron list at the moment:

Transcendent C'tan: Transliminal Slide, Wave of Withering, Seismic Assault 860
Transcendent C'tan: Transliminal Slide, Wave of Withering, Seismic Assault 860

3 Tomb blades 60
3 Tomb blades 60

Tomb blades as a pretence of getting some VPs other than for killing though they start in reserve to prevent First Blood. It struggles against ObSec spam as it has no way of stopping them from grabbing points. Drop Podding Grav Cents are also a bad match up. But against lots of people this is really tough to deal with. As a side note I see this as the most competitive Unbound list there is.

I like yours Flingit but the problem is the footsoldiers grabbing objectives.

Since flying is a pain for necrons (we can not glide which is annoying). we have to swoop and blitz them in waves but when we deploy if its objectives we have to control/contest you have to be careful of all the destructor arking mean 9 vehicles with the tesla destructors is going to kill a lot but its ark splashes everywhere not just your opponents and with little 5 man units your squads will die when you drop them off to capture objectives and that doesn't include what your opponent does.

As for the CCB never used one would love to i also hear that if the overlord has a phaseshifter the barge benefits from it.

but when you think all you will start off with on turn 1 is 3 annihilation barges and a CCB you have to think how long before your tabled.

4 AV13 hulls with 4+ cover and one of which is a Chariot is not dying on turn 1 to many builds. Perhaps a Space Wolf drop pod list could do it, perhaps and good deployment should deny even them. Not sure what you are thinking kills 4 AV13 hulls turn 1?

I did say it struggles with objectives in Maelstrom for ground objectives. EW it is still very strong throwing units onto objectives as and when is needed. Deathmarks can clear an objective and the warrior squads can kill any vehicle you point them at and even if the squad dies pass an EL roll and you have an ObSec model ready to jump back into the fray. The arcing isn't that much of an issue it can't hurt the Barges and requires 6s to do anything to the croissants. Yeah it can kill warriors but they are largely point and click throw away units anyway. The CCB is also handy at grabbing objectives.

RaW the phase shifter applies to the Barge but I don't play that way as the clear RaI is that it doesn't.

The point is though that the list as a whole is efficient. All your AI weapons have nothing to do until I start getting out of vehicles. Your AA is overloaded, your S6 useless (except as AA) and your 2 best infantry units are dead. I can load up the Stormteks to suit. Sometimes one in each unit sometimes 2 in 2 units and 2 units unsupported.

The best at Maelstrom right now for Crons is the AV13 spam. But when it comes to grabbing objectives Crons are well behind Eldar, and not even up there with Marines, Wolves or Orks so the Crons should play to their strengths (hence why TC'tan is their best build).

Where is this cover coming from for your Annihilation Barges last i heard Jink was a choice in 7th and that you had to choose after being shot at but before your opponent did the actual damage and that jink was a 5+ save. Also you fire snap shots on your next turn when this is all resolved.

There is also the question of what happens if your opponent starts at turn 1 first they get a first round of shots off at you they do minute damage but remove the AV 13 from maybe a penetrating Las Cannon there are many weapons that can deal with AV13 that have a good range.
Then on turn 2 they finish you off as your reserves are waiting to come in but its too late.

Armies like as you said Drop pod madness is one, guards Las line up is another. any army with plenty of lascannons is also good to deal with our annihilation barges.

So its very plausible (depending on what your opponent brings to the table) to be tabled.

I take it you haven't read the rulebook? Jink is a choice and is a 4+ cover and snap shooting is effectively Bs8 shooting for an Annibarge. So no great loss.

Lascannons need LoS so may well not be able to target all tthe Barges but lets ignore that to penetrate a barge it takes on average 9 Bs4 lascannons so to get a pen through on each they need to be packing on average 36 lascannons that all have LoS turn 1. Sorry if I'm not worried.

As for going second you do realise that makes zero difference right? I mean you have played the game before right so know when you check for tabling?

So tell me exactly what 1850 list tables me turn 1. I am genuinely interested in what you've come up with that can do that?

This is also an 1850 list. I'm guessing allowing for my bad dice I table your list by at the latest turn 5 every game. I mean you have a 150 point 1 wound model! I can't see your list actually damaging any competitive list in any way. I'm not talking top tier tournament lists I'm talking decent club level lists.

FlingitNow what is your deal man now you slag my list because of my choices my choices are my choices end of I don't have to explain to you why I choose it but the reason I don't get tabled is because I place most of my army on the table so there are plenty of bodies on there.

As for the armies that could outright kill your first turn deployment I cant tell you what army lists as I do not know them all if you see my profile I only have 3 armies.
I do know that before Guard was updated there was the Las lineup and it had like 9 Lascannons that could fire 3 times due to the orders that guard had (first rank fire, Second rank fire) again not sure of the complete list but still the statistics to take down a bunch of AV13 vehicles isn't that bad.
You make it sound impossible but it's not.

As for Jink ok you are correct I thought it was still like 6th I'm sorry.

There is no rule that allows Guard Lascannons to fire more than once. There is an order that allows lasguns to gain an extra shot which means 2 at 24" range and 3 at 12" but infinite lasguns does nothing to this army.

What I'm pointing out to you is how competitive lists work. You make wild claims with no support and make suggestions that will not work at all against competent players. You've made the choices in your list to have the models you want. That is fine, but drying to claim it is competent let alone competitive is at best delusional, hopefully just an outright lie. Kholzerino has an idea of what is competitive as do I so when we give advice we are able to back that up with tournament results, maths and explanation. You just claim this is good for reasons and X will hurt you despite X not existing.

If you want to give people competitive list building advice, then learn what is competitive. Read the competitive list on here and check Tournament winning armies. Try to find some competitive players to play against and learn that side of the game. If you're not interested in that side of the game then just leave it alone and don't try to give competitive advice.

Guys guys guys. Relax.

Darkhorse - the catacomb command barge is currently one of the most broken things in 40k. It's main strength is that in 7th edition you can choose which model to take the hits on. So if it's something that could pen your armor well you can use your 3++ invuln. If it's something like Bolters then you can just laugh as you take the hits on your armor 13. It is borderline impossible to table someone turn one with even two of these on the board turn 1. Why? Well because no army, not even Astra militarum, has enough anti armor to cause someone to loose all 3 wounds on both overlords or wreck their 3 hull point ccbs. And that's just assuming you don't have any annihilation barges which are necrons best heavy support option bar none, you should have 2 ccbs and 3 annihilation barges as a no minimum for competitive play. With these 5 vehicles you can rest assured of a turn 2.

That doesn't mean that your original list sucks or whatever darkhorse just saying it's not the most competitive with the current rules.

I love monoliths, lychgaurd, triarch Pretorians, triarch stalkers, tomb blades. But at the end of the day they are subpar units. Warrior blobs of 20 are awesome and very "necron" in the way they play, durable and with a serious amount of close range firepower, but in competitive play they are to easy to get into melee combat with, if that happens you are screwed. We'll see what our new codex has in store. Maybe it will make some other units viable again