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Looking for feedback on the design I have so far.

The rings I have designed are beveled on the inside and not on the outside. This Should allow them to fit tight against existing bases. The outer edge is not beveled, as this is easier for me create the mold a little faster (turn around time).

Here it the initial CAD drawing:



Notice, there is a slit up the side in two places. This it use in case you need to break this in half to go around a base instead of over it from the top.

Here is a 3d Test print:



The 3d printed object is not perfect, but gets the idea across. The one on the left shows half a ring, so you can see the profile and how the pieces fit together. The one on the right shows the slit where you can break it in half.

The color of the rings should be black when they are produced in high impact polystyrene.

As for price, I don't have an exact amount, but they should work out cheaper and better than buying new bases for existing models.

As for feedback.
Is the design just not going to work for you?
Do they really need the beveled edge?

How much time does an outer bevel add to the mould creation? I'd have assumed it would be a matter of hours, or is it a case of the bevel resulting in some overhang and some more complicated system to produce the mould?

They look great. It might be worth making variants with/without the split, or at least making the outer edge solid (even if it's 0.01mm thick) so that it doesn't need filled if you don't split it.

Having the extensions in plastic would be great though

The lack of beveled edge would be a deal breaker for me - it would need to look exactly like a GW base before I would purchase them. But if they could transform all my 25 mm I would be very tempted.

Since these will basically only be selling to GW players you'd probably be best to make the extra effort and put a GW comparable bevel on the outside too

the straight up and down just looks too obvious and will give opponents in 'GW is the only way' stores a reason to refuse to play against them

(and people are already selling MDF adapter rings without a bevel, if you're doing HIPS you might as well do it right and differentiate yourself from them)

The internal bevel is usually irrelevant mainly because they are going to be covered with flocking (in most cases), green stuff, pva, etc. Those that aren't flocking, it is cheaper in the long run to buy new bases and simply rebase.

The internal bevel creates an issue if you are planning on them coming from the top down. There are a of miniatures, that will not work with. Unless the idea with the slits at the bottom is to allow it to flex so it can be placed from the bottom.

Without the outer bevel, people will just by MDF bases. It kind of needs to match the existing bases with the outer bevel for it to be considered an alternate source.

Well, lack of out beveled is a killer IMO.

They only people who will want to rebase, are those OCD about consistency. If you don't care about 25mm and 32mm mixed in your army, there's no need to rebase. If you are picky about that kind of thing, you wouldn't want to have a mix of beveled (say... your Terminators, etc.. as well as any "new" miniatures you buy with the new 32mm bases) and non-beveled (25mm + ring-extension) bases in your army.

Also, as it's mostly miniatures "too large" for 25mm bases that are affected, you can't fit the base in from the top. Breaking it just makes it even less aesthetic and/or forces you to go into near-full-rebasing kind of efforts (glue, flock, green-stuff) to make it look inconspicuous, at which point you might as well re-base to 32mm using GW bases.

The internal bevel was so it would fit close enough to use model glue to glue them together. You also wouldn't have to use super glue, or fill in a gap (which may not be an issue). The slit in the side, was so you can easily cut, flex-break it into two halves to glue around and existing model.

I will work towards hiding the breaking point and look into an outside beveled edge.

If I can manage to make them at 20 cents or less per base, I think then these would be cheaper than rebasing.

i agree... the best solution would be to make half round with beveled inner and outer part and vertical borders where the two halves join together...
So you can put a magnet on the two vertical faces and you can put or remove the base extenders as you wish better

I would buy you a ton of these if you do like that cause i have all my armies based on resin bases (scibor and microarts mainly) and these are costy bases and they have often the details a bit larger than the top circle so these solution would be the best for me...

This is scibor's ruins 25mm bases i used to base all my veterans in my DA army...

If you notice all these bases have decorations a bit larger than the upper circle so if i put a external beveled adaptor and put a bit of flock on them to hide the junctions i can use easily these bases as 32mm too...

For those of you with scenic/resin bases from other manufacturers... Do you think their beveled edges match those from GW? I would hate to think that you would need to sand each plastic adapter ring to make it work. I guess a dremel and a sanding drum is still better than losing bases you paid for.

I had thought about he two pieces with vertical edges. That might be a better option. Might be easier when you do have to take a little off. You should be able to see where the material needs to be removed.

I'll think about putting a steeper bevel on the inside. This way they should fit tighter at the top and have more space closer to the bottom. This would make it easier fir to other companies bases.

...why would you want 32mm bases?

Gragga Da Krumpa wrote:
...why would you want 32mm bases?

Heh, someone hasn't been on the internet all week, I see. All the newly released Blood Angels models will be on 32mm bases instead of 25mm bases, suggesting that, eventually, all other Space Marines will move to 32mm as well.

I've been informed by my store owner, that GW will be issuing a rule that says that models must be on the most up-to-date base, meaning that any BA players will have to rebase all of their Marines.

Don't know if this is true or not...

 Happyjew wrote:
I've been informed by my store owner, that GW will be issuing a rule that says that models must be on the most up-to-date base, meaning that any BA players will have to rebase all of their Marines.

Don't know if this is true or not...

Sad part is that sounds like something GW would do, even if they don't do it.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

Gragga Da Krumpa wrote:
...why would you want 32mm bases?

Heh, someone hasn't been on the internet all week, I see. All the newly released Blood Angels models will be on 32mm bases instead of 25mm bases, suggesting that, eventually, all other Space Marines will move to 32mm as well.

Actually, I have. And I have the new Deathstorm box with those very bases.

I just didnt care. BRB- Models will be based with the base size they are supplied with, or the closest appropriate size when one is not supplied but is necessary. You dont have to do anything with your existing models!

Having played the game since 3rd edition, I have grown accustomed to the idea of older models being grandfathered in. Old Grotesques, Trukks, etc. Overall, it has little to no impact on the game.

I was just really hoping some players were not seriously considering expanding their base sizes for some sort of 4mm "advantage".

EccentricTodd wrote:
For those of you with scenic/resin bases from other manufacturers... Do you think their beveled edges match those from GW? I would hate to think that you would need to sand each plastic adapter ring to make it work. I guess a dremel and a sanding drum is still better than losing bases you paid for.

I had thought about he two pieces with vertical edges. That might be a better option. Might be easier when you do have to take a little off. You should be able to see where the material needs to be removed.

I'll think about putting a steeper bevel on the inside. This way they should fit tighter at the top and have more space closer to the bottom. This would make it easier fir to other companies bases.

Totally right... If tomorrow GW will say that my 25mm resin bases (payed each 1€) will be not legal anymore, considering that in my DA collection alone i have about 150 25mm bases, i would better sand a bit some adaptors than to spend 150€ again for my models... Not considering the time due to pull my models off their bases (ruinining most of them due to the superglue used to glue the models on the bases) and to paint and glue the models on the new ones...

Just in case any of you actually DO snip models off their bases for this--

Using your model snips, flat side against the base and gently squeezing will pop feet off of a base 90% of the time. Pulling will generally break the models legs. Shearing force works much better!

If it works with my spindly necron and tau feet plastic glued on, I imagine it will work for you guys, too.

 Happyjew wrote:
I've been informed by my store owner, that GW will be issuing a rule that says that models must be on the most up-to-date base, meaning that any BA players will have to rebase all of their Marines.

Don't know if this is true or not...

I'm sure there is a calmer way to express yourself, motyak

 lobbywatson wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
I've been informed by my store owner, that GW will be issuing a rule that says that models must be on the most up-to-date base, meaning that any BA players will have to rebase all of their Marines.

Don't know if this is true or not...

cleaning up from an earlier edit, motyak

Woah now, that's a little aggressive no? IF GW are going to make Space Marines need 32mm bases, it's not the end of the world. Although it's all speculation at the moment, there is always going to be a company that will supply them. Or nice individuals like the OP who are trying to help out fellow gamers.

Gragga Da Krumpa wrote:
Just in case any of you actually DO snip models off their bases for this--

Using your model snips, flat side against the base and gently squeezing will pop feet off of a base 90% of the time. Pulling will generally break the models legs. Shearing force works much better!

If it works with my spindly necron and tau feet plastic glued on, I imagine it will work for you guys, too.

It's not the models i am afraid of... i know that using a blade i can take off the model off the base without ruining it, i already did with some old models when i took them off the plastic bases to put them on resin bases...
The problem is that you have to glue a model with superglue on a resin base and to make it stand firmer i usually put a pin too in each feet... The Scenic bases have also very nice and intricate details on them usually so if i take off a SM model from a 25mm resin base it will be almost lost cause the superglue has surely filled the details of the base under the SM feets and there will be the holes for the pins too... now using that base to rebase for example a guard or another model who will keep his 25mm base will be nearly impossible cause the base will be ruined... If you have just 5/10 bases in your army (like you use them just for your veterans/IC/command squads) it's annoying and a waste of time but wasting 150 bases of an entire collection of SM is a huge disappointement...

Stupid question but if 32mm does become standard for power armour marines what happens to the plastic characters that come with a scenic base on their sprue like the space marine captain?

 edlowe wrote:
Stupid question but if 32mm does become standard for power armour marines what happens to the plastic characters that come with a scenic base on their sprue like the space marine captain?

That's a damn good question.

 edlowe wrote:
Stupid question but if 32mm does become standard for power armour marines what happens to the plastic characters that come with a scenic base on their sprue like the space marine captain?

Nothing. There is no requirement for existing models to be rebased.



For the OP, I think the lack of an outer bevel would be a deal breaker, as they're not going to look right with other bases. If that takes you a little longer to mould, well, that's preferable to rushing out a product that people aren't going to actually want to buy.

Exactly why I am asking. Why rush out something that nobody wants.

The only question I have regarding this design, is how do you apply these to already finished models? The ring is clearly not big enough to go over the top of the model and the internal bevel won't allow it to be attached from the bottom.

 Todosi wrote:
The only question I have regarding this design, is how do you apply these to already finished models? The ring is clearly not big enough to go over the top of the model and the internal bevel won't allow it to be attached from the bottom.

He may not have made it clear in the first post, but the cuts on the bottom of the ring is to snap it in half cleanly and glue it together snugly on the base. It might just be better to make 2 half base wraps so there's no chance of an odd break.

Hrm. Just a thought: if I were purchasing an
"adaptor", I would prefer one that was a complete doughnut that I could simply slip the 25mm through from underneath. So, there would be two beveled edges, one on the inside, and one on the outside, but it would be a single piece.

I would be even more likely to buy such a product if it were predecorated, like a resin ring of flagstones, steel grill, cobblestone, sand, etc.

The idea would be that, for a model with a base that I already spent a half hour on, I could prime/base/wash/dryrush the new adaptor, slip it through, and have a nice looking finished product.

The most I would pay for such a beast would be ~ $1 USD / base (around the price of a resin 25/28mm base), because if it were much more, I'd just buy a 32mm resin base and re-dress it. Or, more likely, just leave it on 25mm.

Talys wrote:
Hrm. Just a thought: if I were purchasing an
"adaptor", I would prefer one that was a complete doughnut that I could simply slip the 25mm through from underneath. So, there would be two beveled edges, one on the inside, and one on the outside, but it would be a single piece..

This is not possible, as far as I can tell. Because of the bevel on the GW bases, if something were to slip on from the bottom, it would not match that bevel.

I think a two-part ring isn't a bad idea, especially if you can obscure the joint somewhat or make it part of a design feature (like a zig-zag door joint that is so prevalent in scifi). I think this is the only way you're going to be able to make a ring with an inner AND outer bevel. I agree with Talys that some sort of design on the top of the ring (again, the zigzag door pattern, or a deck-plate type pattern, rivets, etc) would really make something like this more attractive. I'm sure there are going to be a lot of options for this, but including those features (along with the inner and outer bevel) is the way to best the most attractive option

Looking forward to seeing further work if you plan on continuing with the design a bit more, OP!

Bevel the outside and leave the inside straight, then produce a filler piece for the difference?

Still fast to make, requires more work for the end user, but more stability. WAY easier to install as you can go bottom up, actually.

Got a pricepoint?

Looks great OP.

If it isn't beveled on the outside then it isn't worth a purchase for me personally. YMMV.