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Right, 'Kickstarter Exclusives', not 'Kickstarter Exclusives and We're Going to Only Make Exactly How Many Are Ordered and Then Destroy The Molds' Exclusives!

 Alpharius wrote:
Right, 'Kickstarter Exclusives', not 'Kickstarter Exclusives and We're Going to Only Make Exactly How Many Are Ordered and Then Destroy The Molds' Exclusives!

"Destroy the resin moulds, that we make ourselves and only take half an hr and cost peanuts."

At this time, my current pledges are being addressed. The contact whom has been my contact on the 'manufacturing' side of things for a project has said he is preparing them for me. They say it should have all the miniatures that I was looking for, we'll see how things end up.

Providing that is correct and everything is there... that does go a ways to repair my concerns with them. It may not alleviate others though, that will take time.

I did say in the future, it is in their interest to not do something like this 'donation'. If there are people who haven't closed their pledge managers then email them. Better yet have the pledge manager software have that feature (since they created their own). It should also send a reminder out that it hasn't been completed like most pledge managers do. There were some other suggestions, so hopefully it becomes a learning process that they improve.

That's good to hear.

Hopefully the issues were caused by a language barrier, rather than Scale intentionally acting dickish.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
That's good to hear.

Hopefully the issues were caused by a language barrier, rather than Scale intentionally acting dickish.

What do you think they accidentally translated as 'Your pledge will be considered a donation'? Come on.

I like to think it was just a kick up the arse to get people to fill in their pledge managers, rather than a serious threat.

At least, that's how I interpreted it.

I want to like Scale as a company, I really like their product.

They have made mistakes but I'm very much hoping that they eventually will rectify them,

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I like to think it was just a kick up the arse to get people to fill in their pledge managers, rather than a serious threat.

At least, that's how I interpreted it.

I want to like Scale as a company, I really like their product.

They have made mistakes but I'm very much hoping that they eventually will rectify them,

I would definitely have interpreted it that way myself, when the update came out.

After reading that multiple people have contacted them (at least 3 I can see myself) and the 2 who aren't DS here got told 'you get nothing' first then I think that is stretching credulity well past breaking point.

And if 'We're just keeping your money' gets rectified to 'fine, we'll give you some stuff after all' following people kicking up a stink then that's not something that ,for me, earns any brownie points.

No, it certainly hasn't earned them any brownie points!

But I'm willing to give them a chance, because as I say, I like the FF line very much, it's sci fi done in a way that I love, in god's own 35mm scale too

I'm certainly not ready to throw them in my Tony Reidy / Imbrian Arts / Creature Caster don't touch with a 10 foot barge pole pile yet.


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Official statement by Scale:

Posted by SCALE GAMES LLC (Creator)

[EN] Hello everyone:

We've almost finished our adventure in KS and there are still some delivery issues caused because some of our backers did not complete the Pledge Manager.
That mandatory condition for all backers caused us delays in production and even incidentals expenses because we didn't know the exact number of pieces to produce.
We did not know the precise quantities to produce, nor the addresses of many, even their gift choices. Logically we had to make a deadline to avoid harming others and we notified all twice that anyone not sending us that information would lose its pledge and money for not fulfilling that minimum information requirement.

However as proof of good will and appreciation for their support, all those backers who did not complete their PM can contact us via fallenfrontiers@gmail.com (just this way) so they can offset the cost of their pledge with products of the retail release of Fallen Frontiers. They can check them through this link and tell us which ones they wish to exchange for the value of their pledge + shipping. All of this should be sent by email before October 10, 2016. From that date we will definitely terminate FF shipments from KS.

We believe this is a more than reasonable compensation for those who breached the obligation to complete the PM. We want you to understand our position and thereby, your monetary contribution is compensated.

I was about to post that.

I call PR attempt to avoid complete fallout on their move.

I am surprised they tried to pull that, it shows an ignorance on how KS works, I might accepted that if they had the deadline put on the KS multiple times and their pledge manager sent out reminders, but out of the blue, its a bad move from their side.

I do not remember and not that interested to check but, can somebody tell me if they made multiple updates asking for people to complete their pledge manager?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I was about to post that.

I call PR attempt to avoid complete fallout on their move.

I am surprised they tried to pull that, it shows an ignorance on how KS works, I might accepted that if they had the deadline put on the KS multiple times and their pledge manager sent out reminders, but out of the blue, its a bad move from their side.

I do not remember and not that interested to check but, can somebody tell me if they made multiple updates asking for people to complete their pledge manager?

In this post https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/298260359/fallen-frontiers-reboot/posts/1354588?ref=backer_project_update

And a few updates before it, they all warn of the pledge manager closing.

Yes, that's not in dispute.

What IS in dispute is their 'donation/gift' take on things.

It is most likely NOT actually 'legal' to do that and it is definitely NOT a smart play in terms of customer service.

Especially when there's a real easy solution - email the people that haven't filled it out, and/or keep the pledge manager 'open' but 'locked' so everyone's history is still there to view.

Anyway, I hope that those affected are happy with this solution and eventually get (most of) their stuff - it is rather nice!

Wow, they 'really' need to fire whoever does their PR.

Trying to spin it as them doing people a favour by giving them *something rather than just stealing their money? PR insanity.

You can't add 'mandatory obligations' 9 months 'after' a contract has been decided.

*I say 'something' because it's not even clear what that is. Are they offering for people to use their pledge to buy stuff at full retail?

The minis are nice, the art is nice, everything else about this has been a total clusterfeth.

 Artemis Black wrote:


The minis are nice, the art is nice, everything else about this has been a total clusterfeth.

In the interest of balance I'll give my opinion on the whole thing, for what it's worth. Since I received my figures from the KS I was so pleased with them that I have since hunted down some other pledges on ebay to increase my collection, so I have a number of different units from each faction now.

1) The art is well done, it helps draw me into the FF world and want to know more about it. Each race has a strong theme.

2) The figures are amazing. Many of the Riffs and some of the Harvesters are some of my favourite sci fi minis from the past 27 years. Seriously, I think that they are that good.

3) The value is amazing. As you yourself have mentioned in this very thread Arty, receiving so many hand cast resin minis for the price we paid is insane.

4) I can't talk about the rules or the scenery, I haven't looked at either in any detail. It's just gravy to me, hopefully one day I'll get a game going with a friend, but until then it's "just" a painting project.

5) Regarding the issue with people missing the pledge deadline, it was handled very very badly. I imagine it was partly born of frustration and partly due to financial reasons, but there is no real reason why they couldn't have chased up each of the backers who hadn't locked down their pledge via email. They are taking steps to rectify the issue now, so we will see how that plays out.

Having just got back from the university gaming club, I can say the game went down well. It was the 3rd game I have played of it, and it plays fairly rapidly, though there are issues here and there with translation, or an inconsistency with a use of a term. There are some other errata that I am pushing Scale for, but, playing as it is so far, with factions as close to the retail core box (I have a few different heroes to the retail set) the game comes to some very close conclusions, and is in no way one sided.

Those players who have tried it out, and have experience of 40k etc, have noted the novelty of the turn sequence leading to important, meaningful choices in game play, and how the card decks can lead to some interesting tactics and results, which adds another tactical element to the game, and a lot of replay value with just the base game. Also, the focus on objectives is good, as the resource element of the game again helps distinguish factions and powers the card part of the game.

Having played all GW games since 1994-2005, Warmachine and Hordes, Rackham games, BMG, and rpgs etc, Scale 75 has got a novel system here that makes for dynamic gameplay, with fairly simple rules where the depth comes from the turn sequence and cards, which doesn't feel clunky with too many different range modifiers etc the Infinity likes to use.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:


The minis are nice, the art is nice, everything else about this has been a total clusterfeth.

In the interest of balance I'll give my opinion on the whole thing, for what it's worth. Since I received my figures from the KS I was so pleased with them that I have since hunted down some other pledges on ebay to increase my collection, so I have a number of different units from each faction now.

1) The art is well done, it helps draw me into the FF world and want to know more about it. Each race has a strong theme.

2) The figures are amazing. Many of the Riffs and some of the Harvesters are some of my favourite sci fi minis from the past 27 years. Seriously, I think that they are that good.

3) The value is amazing. As you yourself have mentioned in this very thread Arty, receiving so many hand cast resin minis for the price we paid is insane.

4) I can't talk about the rules or the scenery, I haven't looked at either in any detail. It's just gravy to me, hopefully one day I'll get a game going with a friend, but until then it's "just" a painting project.

5) Regarding the issue with people missing the pledge deadline, it was handled very very badly. I imagine it was partly born of frustration and partly due to financial reasons, but there is no real reason why they couldn't have chased up each of the backers who hadn't locked down their pledge via email. They are taking steps to rectify the issue now, so we will see how that plays out.

1&2 - Yup, the art and sculpting are good to great. The sculpting is easier 'because' they're larger, which is what started the whole weirdness way back when but that doesn't take away from ti being good to great too.

3 - The KS main box was great value, even at retail it's still good value for what you get. The boxed combat sets are slightly worse but still decent. The heroes are mental 18 euros for production resin is just a straight up no. You could 'maybe' get away with that if you were just selling the heroes but on the same site as the regular stuff and being like 5-6 times the price. No. Crazy talk, that's painter prices which will kill any chance the game has of taking off.

4. Me either. I skimmed the rulebook when my pledge arrived, was annoyed by grammatical and language errors and as I had no time to play a new game anyway it went on a shelf. Hopefully the peopel who bought it enjoy it but this aint the next 40k or anything.

5. I'm about as far 'out' as can be after that. Being gak at running a KS is one thing, being shady is another. This was (and to some extent stil is) the latter.

I'll miss discussing this I think Was quite the ride.

Soooooo....

Has anyone actually got in a few games of it? Hows it play? Some reviews would be nice

Two posts up from yours!

Seems like an interesting concept that - not surprisingly - needs some additional translating/editing/FAQing/errata-ing too to really get it to where it needs to be.

Ares painting guide is now available on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAGeZghQu_c&feature=youtu.be

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Ares painting guide is now available on youtube:

Indeed!

No DVD, but this will do, I suppose!

Any place to get this besides strictly through Scale 75? Interested in jumping in but overseas shipping is half again as much as the game.

And yes I know those outside the States deal with this constantly and I don't mind biting the bullet on it once. Just want to make sure there's not somewhere locally to get it before I blow that extra money.

 Alpharius wrote:

No DVD, but this will do, I suppose!

Does anybody use DVD at this era?

You might try the forums and or the Facebook group. There were a few people selling their pledges off as well as extras.

They used to have a warehouse in the US, it was located in Texas doing distribution. However the person doing that is no longer doing that. I am not sure it ever was transferred over to someone else in the US. Those items would ship out from scalegames.com.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

No DVD, but this will do, I suppose!

Does anybody use DVD at this era?

1) Yes?

2) It was actually promised as part of the campaign.

I understand that they promised it and should have delivered it, I just find DVDs an odd thing to offer at the present day, most of those that will use the contents will use it on a device that does not have a DVD player like a tablet releasing it as files to download sounds like a better choice in my opinion.

Maybe they meant it would be a download but a DVD if they massively overfunded and just decided to say DVD as a totally understandable shortcut?

Or maybe you did get a DVD but you didn't notice because it is only 2mm wide and Europeans measure DVDs to the nose?.

Or maybe you missed the message hidden in update 712 where they said if you didn't do a tap dance wearing a sombrero then they would donate your DVD to an african village?





Couldn't resist

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I understand that they promised it and should have delivered it, I just find DVDs an odd thing to offer at the present day, most of those that will use the contents will use it on a device that does not have a DVD player like a tablet releasing it as files to download sounds like a better choice in my opinion.

I'm not sure how you can make definitive statements like that.

Anyway, they said we'd get a DVD, I wanted a DVD, we're not getting a DVD.

I did not perceive it as a definite statement, but you might be right, my reasoning is that dvd as a medium is in steady decline, most people use a tablet for their media consumption.

Especially in our industries target audience tech levels are high so my assumption is that a dvd is more of a nuisance than a desired thing.

I fully agree on them promising and not delivering though, I thought I made it clear from the start.

Fair enough - and I'm not TOO upset over it, provided we do end up getting everything digitally, eventually.

Anyone posting battle report videos on this one somewhere? I'd like to see it played.

Next up!

Update #92

Oct 8 2016
Sayx painting guide

[EN] Hi all,

Here you have a link for watching the 30 minutes Sayx painting process. The rest faction processes will be available very soon. Thanks all for your support